The Problem with "Fighting" Homosexuality

[Nietzsche]

Possibly not. But calling someone you don't even know delusional (as on this forum, you know no one personally) can be seen as rather rude.

I actually agree with that. But let me tell you something. I've actually experienced delusions, due to a variety of things. Pain, drugs I take for pain, so on.

The fervor people have? Believing something that is, to you, right in front of your face? Exactly the same conviction as any faith I ever had

That is not to say you are wrong, at all. But the brain will see what it wants to see. There is no direct line between eye and brain. There's a filter. And that filter does what the brain tells it to. Everything you perceive(and not just you, pet, everyone) is wrong to begin with, or at least, not entirely correct. Everything you see is ever so fractionally in the past for instance. Because light isn't instantaneous. It has to travel from point A to point B just like we do.

So we're all delusional, in a way. It's the only way to function. Madness is a human trait. It's kept us alive. It's good for us. It's freedom.

...huh that went places I wasn't expecting. Oh well.

 

[ChristineES]

I actually agree with that. But let me tell you something. I've actually experienced delusions, due to a variety of things. Pain, drugs I take for pain, so on.

The fervor people have? Believing something that is, to you, right in front of your face? Exactly the same conviction as any faith I ever had

That is not to say you are wrong, at all. But the brain will see what it wants to see. There is no direct line between eye and brain. There's a filter. And that filter does what the brain tells it to. Everything you perceive(and not just you, pet, everyone) is wrong to begin with, or at least, not entirely correct. Everything you see is ever so fractionally in the past for instance. Because light isn't instantaneous. It has to travel from point A to point B just like we do.

So we're all delusional, in a way. It's the only way to function. Madness is a human trait. It's kept us alive. It's good for us. It's freedom.

...huh that went places I wasn't expecting. Oh well.

I am speaking of just being a theist. I don't like people getting in my face, either. I once said to someone that I heard that homosexuals are born gay and the person got in my face and shouted "LIAR" to me.

 

[1137]

False!

Um, true. Based solely on sextual intercourse as most species always are, and we once were, homosexual intercourse doesn't lead to reproduction.

 

[1137]

I do not think you can label it a defect until the origin of it can be properly understood. It has not been proved to be some sort of defect. Your comparison of homosexuality with depression, lactose intolerance and disability is absurd. Those things you listed are things that cause harm to the individual without outside interference.

Homosexuals only encounter harm when it is inflicted by others. We are by no means disabled and are still able to parent children. Having said that, not everything has to be about reproduction. In fact I think people might want to ease up on how many children they have.

You completely misinterpreted what I'm saying. If any species (without out modern tech), including humans, were 100% homosexual the species would die. It just doesn't matter anymore. It is absolutely not absurd to associate it with depression, what the hell is that supposed to mean, anyways? Both are natural, possobly genetic, inherent aspects of an individual.

 

[Uberpod]

Um, true. Based solely on sextual intercourse as most species always are, and we once were, homosexual intercourse doesn't lead to reproduction.

Yeah - but homosexuals have biological children.

 

[1137]

There are studies out there pointing to homosexuality possibly being the result of a gene that actually HELPS women have more children.

And another that shows homosexual births go up after disasters. This makes sense in the Evolutionary need to survive. There births mean more workers to rebuild the destroyed society, while producing no extra children that would have to be fed, clothed, housed, etc. Evolution at work. Forgot to add they would also be able to take in and raise the children of the dead, which heterosexuals with their own kids to feed - would be less likely to do.

I'm getting tired of gay people being called unnatural, or a defect, etc.

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There are studies out there pointing to homosexuality possibly being the result of a gene that actually HELPS women have more children.

And another that shows homosexual births go up after disasters. This makes sense in the Evolutionary need to survive. There births mean more workers to rebuild the destroyed society, while producing no extra children that would have to be fed, clothed, housed, etc. Evolution at work. Forgot to add they would also be able to take in and raise the children of the dead, which heterosexuals with their own kids to feed - would be less likely to do.

I'm getting tired of gay people being called unnatural, or a defect, etc.

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And in your knee jerk reactionary response you completely missedy point.

 

[ChristineES]

Some people find sin everywhere. They just love to call everyone a "sinner". They kind of ignore what they themselves are doing: Going around calling people "sinners' is against Jesus teaching. I usually just stay away from those types. No matter what I would say, they would shout scripture in my face. If I, as a Christian, don't like that, I can only imagine how irritating it can be for someone who doesn't even follow the faith. You guys call them "fundies", we Christians call them "Holier-than-thou".
Just a little tidbit.

 

[1137]

If they want biological children, they will have them.

Yeah, today they can. However, in any other time and for any other species, you'd either have to sleep with someone completely sexually repulsive to you. Two homosexuals, having sex, cannot reproduce. End of story. Homophobes don't get a break on facts and neither do you.

 

[Uberpod]

You completely misinterpreted what I'm saying. If any species (without out modern tech), including humans, were 100% homosexual the species would die. It just doesn't matter anymore. It is absolutely not absurd to associate it with depression, what the hell is that supposed to mean, anyways? Both are natural, possobly genetic, inherent aspects of an individual.

Wrong - check out my thread
Gay Reproduction may be more Moral than Straight Reproduction
Gay Reproduction may be more Moral than Straight Reproduction | ReligiousForums.com

 

[1137]

Yeah - but homosexuals have biological children.

Really? You can produce without the merging of a sperm and egg? Have you published your paper on this and received your massive reward yet?

 

[Uberpod]

Yeah, today they can. However, in any other time and for any other species, you'd either have to sleep with someone completely sexually repulsive to you. Two homosexuals, having sex, cannot reproduce. End of story. Homophobes don't get a break on facts and neither do you.

You'd be amazed what you can make work in the dark.

 

[1137]

Wrong - check out my thread
Gay Reproduction may be more Moral than Straight Reproduction
Gay Reproduction may be more Moral than Straight Reproduction | ReligiousForums.com

Interesting points that I most agree with. Also, it takes a sperm and an egg to make a biological child. Sorry.

 

[Nietzsche]

Really? You can produce without the merging of a sperm and egg? Have you published your paper on this and received your massive reward yet?

Look up bone-marrow children.

I am speaking of just being a theist. I don't like people getting in my face, either. I once said to someone that I heard that homosexuals are born gay and the person got in my face and shouted "LIAR" to me.

Oh. In that regard, I completely agree. I thought this was going someplace quite different.

 

[Uberpod]

Really? You can produce without the merging of a sperm and egg? Have you published your paper on this and received your massive reward yet?

20% of gay couple have biological children, more so lesbians.

 

[Uberpod]

Interesting points that I most agree with. Also, it takes a sperm and an egg to make a biological child. Sorry.

Thanks for the biology lesson. Does not change what I said.

 

[Nietzsche]

20% of gay couple have biological children, more so lesbians.

You really would do yourself more justice if you weren't acting like such a prick and just went out and said "surrogate children". It would've counted.

 

[ChristineES]

20% of gay couple have biological children, more so lesbians.

Some people don't seem to realize that gays have sperm and ova. It would funny if it weren't so sad.

 

[Uberpod]

1137,

You really would do yourself more justice if you weren't acting like such a prick and just went out and said "surrogate children". It would've counted.

Gays can have children biologically related to them. Lesbians often do.

 

[Nietzsche]

1137,

Gays can have children biologically related to them. Lesbians often do.

Dude. That's what I said. A surrogate child is one that contains genetic material from one parent and is carried in a willing surrogate.

 

[Ingledsva]

And in your knee jerk reactionary response you completely missedy point.

That was no knee-jerk reaction. It was truth. And I went back and reread what you wrote. What I wrote stands.

We need to stop calling people that are different then us, - defective, - in some way.

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