The Problem with "Fighting" Homosexuality

[MysticSang'ha]

When we have the ability to do that, no doubt will that forever silence the argument. But as of yet we lack that advancement. Working on it, mind, but not there yet.

Actually, and this is super cool, same sex relationships where there exists a trans man and a cis man HAVE produced and birthed a child. Trans men have also successfully breastfed their infants.

 

[Nietzsche]

Actually, and this is super cool, same sex relationships where there exists a trans man and a cis man HAVE produced and birthed a child. Trans men have also successfully breastfed their infants.

I remember that, though I was referring to the reverse. I'm not very knowledgeable on the lingo, so please do not take this offensively-

The genetic-man giving birth is still in the pipeline as it were, while for the genetic-female it has been done. I believe its been done a handful of times, actually. As for men breastfeeding, well that can happen with our without surgery or being trans.

 

[Uberpod]

See my above post where I refuse to debate with those claiming that modern humanity is somehow free of objective aspects to life, such as biological processes. All you show here is that it is silly for us to be anti-homosexuality in the modern day. Absolutely earth shattering this is not, and it does nothing to address the FACT that any other species or time of our evolution would be disadvantaged by homosexuality. That is literally the only claim I have made, and nobody could comprehend it for some reason.

Why make that point at all, given that humans are different than animals. AND Humans have known how babies are born for centuries. I am gay and have been with women. Not by cup of tea, but they are doable.

 

[1137]

That idea that homosexuals are defective is only in your mind.

I have already explained they could be Evolutions answer to several survival actions.

You are not defective either. Your chemistry is just out of whack. Hopefully they will figure out how to get it back to optimum soon. Lots of people need it.

I mean - if I agreed with you - I would have to call all of the people up here with Seasonal Affective Disorder, - defective, when in reality their depression is from lack of enough sunlight.

So you, and they, are not defective.


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I even specified I was talking strictly from an evolutionary view, and while your points are all awesome, the species would still die no matter how much manual work we needed done. At the very least the homosexual members would not pass on their genes. Oh, and also this is not macro evolution you're addressing anyways.

 

[1137]

Why make that point at all, given that humans are different than animals. AND Humans have known how babies are born for centuries. I am gay and have been with women. Not by cup of tea, but they are doable.

Is it bad that this horribly tasteless comment is what will make me ignore you?

 

[Nietzsche]

I even specified I was talking strictly from an evolutionary view, and while your points are all awesome, the species would still die no matter how much manual work we needed done. At the very least the homosexual members would not pass on their genes. Oh, and also this is not macro evolution you're addressing anyways.

And yet that has not stopped it from occurring in every higher-animal on the planet.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I remember that, though I was referring to the reverse. I'm not very knowledgeable on the lingo, so please do not take this offensively-

The genetic-man giving birth is still in the pipeline as it were, while for the genetic-female it has been done. I believe its been done a handful of times, actually. As for men breastfeeding, well that can happen with our without surgery or being trans.

Isn't science beautiful?

 

[Nietzsche]

Is it bad that this horribly tasteless comment is what will make me ignore you?

I thought it was hilarious. I'm kinda sad no one got my Communion/Cannibalism joke though. ;_;

 

[Uberpod]

Also, Closeted gay men have been fathering children for centuries. Your claim that homosexual humans means end of their genes is just not well thought out.

 

[Uberpod]

Is it bad that this horribly tasteless comment is what will make me ignore you?

Please explain why it is so horrible before you do??

 

[1137]

I'm not even interested in this. The fact that homophobia is even still a thing is just pathetic and telling on our species. What more need be said? Stop quoting me for god sakes!

 

[Nietzsche]

Isn't science beautiful?

Indeed. I do not understand why some religious people fight against it. If you're faithful...science is just exploring the grandeur of your chosen deity/deities. In the words of Carl Sagan "We're all star dust".

That is so much more impressive than "Abra-kadabrah, make my man grow!".

 

[dgirl1986]

Um, I am not calling people than us different, I am calling people who's bodies work against all of nature's natural designs defective, myself included. I have depression, and you would have me go untreated just so I could feel "normal"! It's nauseating, and I have had friends die that way. Likewise with homosexuality, any other life other than ours in modern time would be doomed by widespread homosexuality.

Uh....do you think we are contagious or something?

There would be no reproduction, no system of surrogates, no adoption. As always, people are thinking in terms of humans - the great and divine - only.

Did you miss the memo on how lesbians currently have children without a mans genitalia getting directly involved? Its called the sperm bank. Infertile couples have to use those methods some times you know.

We do. For the final time, modern humanity is not the be all / end all of biological processes, and from this second out I right out refuse to argue with those putting modern humanity on some divine, greater than nature pedestal.

I think you may have misunderstood my use of the word We. When I state we, I mean us gays and lesbians.

Oh, so what is the difference from the natural state of depression and homosexuality? You think we depressed people chose to be this way? We do it for attention? It is a phase?
This line of thought disgusts me and is extremely dangerous.

Reread the post you replied to and then tell me how they are in the same category exactly. You think you are the only person who suffers from depression? I got knews for you, I suffer from depression and anxiety. It is not a choice. Neither is homosexuality but that doesnt mean it is in the same category. They are two very different things. Please do not make assumptions with what you read in my replies. Read it for what it is, not what it sounds like in your world view.

 

[dgirl1986]

I made no such claim. I am neither anti-homosexual or pro-homosexual; what I do try to do is see things through others' eyes. I try to have compassion for others: I fail at it, sometimes, too. And I don't condemn others, because Jesus told us not to (we Christians).(I am not saying you are not any of those things).

I think you do really well in regards to having compassion. I would not consider you an enemy of any kind

That idea that homosexuals are defective is only in your mind.

We are only defective to those who do not understand us.

 

[dgirl1986]

Can someone for the love of zeus please explain to me why people think the whole human race will turn gay?

 

[Uberpod]

I thought it was hilarious. I'm kinda sad no one got my Communion/Cannibalism joke though. ;_;

I got your joke. Pretty good. I did not acknowledge it because it was stealing thunder from mine.

 

[Uberpod]

Can someone for the love of zeus please explain to me why people think the whole human race will turn gay?

I've been praying for that.

 

[Nietzsche]

Can someone for the love of zeus please explain to me why people think the whole human race will turn gay?

Because that bronze-age book with all the child-sacrifice, genocide & slavery in it said it would make an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being throw a temper-tantrum like a celestial eight year old.

 

[sojourner]

Different phase at RF. Different target.

Never fear. This will pass, and the hateful folks will move on to the next group of people they think are subhuman.

I'm sorry to sound trite. But most of the time, it's the same people.

Your term "subhuman" hits the nail on the head here. It's not about (as 1137 said) "fixing the 'defect.'" This is about dignity. We keep suicidal people alive to give them their human dignity. We equalize the playing field for the differently-abled in order to give them their dignity. Look, "black" isn't a "defect." "Female" isn't a "defect." Homosexuality isn't a "defect." It's a minority that has historically suffered discrimination. Therefore allowances need to be made to insure that they have human dignity like the rest of humanity.

 

[Nietzsche]

Your term "subhuman" hits the nail on the head here. It's not about (as 1137 said) "fixing the 'defect.'" This is about dignity. We keep suicidal people alive to give them their human dignity. We equalize the playing field for the differently-abled in order to give them their dignity. Look, "black" isn't a "defect." "Female" isn't a "defect." Homosexuality isn't a "defect." It's a minority that has historically suffered discrimination. Therefore allowances need to be made to insure that they have human dignity like the rest of humanity.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuehrer.