The Problem with "Fighting" Homosexuality

[Uberpod]

Poor 1137. Hope I did not overdo it. He was trying to be clear that he is not homophobic, but he was completely unaware of his heterosexism.

 

[ChristineES]

Your term "subhuman" hits the nail on the head here. It's not about (as 1137 said) "fixing the 'defect.'" This is about dignity. We keep suicidal people alive to give them their human dignity. We equalize the playing field for the differently-abled in order to give them their dignity. Look, "black" isn't a "defect." "Female" isn't a "defect." Homosexuality isn't a "defect." It's a minority that has historically suffered discrimination. Therefore allowances need to be made to insure that they have human dignity like the rest of humanity.

I agree. It goes right along with being frightened with difference: Ignorance causes fear, fear causes hatred, hatred causes bigotry. That is rather a simplistic view, it is much more complicated than that. That is why we need to educate people as much as we can.

 

[sojourner]

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuehrer.

Your point?

 

[Nietzsche]

Your point?

I was attempting to crystallize the sort of opinions that lead to things like homophobia, racism, ect.

 

[1137]

I am only going to reply in response to the chuckle I got out of your response.

Uh....do you think we are contagious or something?

Honestly, that's what you got from that?! What I mean (ask for clarification instead of making a ridiculous comment next time) is that if, somehow the majority of a population was homosexual the population would either (a) die off or (b) the homosexual "trait" (as it seems to be) would die out. There was no surregocy, no sperm banks, no adoption. These are the rules every mammal is bound to, including human beings except for in our modern time.

Did you miss the memo on how lesbians currently have children without a mans genitalia getting directly involved? Its called the sperm bank. Infertile couples have to use those methods some times you know.

Hahaha, this is great. Do you realize that if there is sperm involved there is male genitalia involved? I'm not talking to someone who doesn't know where sperm comes from, am I? It is not my job to teach you these things. I'm well aware that infertile couples use similar things as well, just as I am aware that infertile couples in other species or in humans at earlier time periods would not have kids and, therefore, not pass on their genes.

I think you may have misunderstood my use of the word We. When I state we, I mean us gays and lesbians.

Gays and lesbians are modern humans too... I am certainly not the one claiming otherwise. How exactly can you be rabidly anti-(projected)-homophobia yet separate gays and lesbians from modern human beings?

Reread the post you replied to and then tell me how they are in the same category exactly. You think you are the only person who suffers from depression? I got knews for you, I suffer from depression and anxiety. It is not a choice. Neither is homosexuality but that doesnt mean it is in the same category. They are two very different things. Please do not make assumptions with what you read in my replies. Read it for what it is, not what it sounds like in your world view.

I am not saying that homosexuality and depression are the same, I am pointing out the things that the have in common, aka the categories they share.

 

[sojourner]

I was attempting to crystallize the sort of opinions that lead to things like homophobia, racism, ect.

Ah, OK. I thought so, but didn't want to assume. DaB so was, von so was kommt...

 

[dgirl1986]

@1137 Your posts seem to say one thing, then your responses to my comments seem to be saying something different. I am not sure if you arent just being clear or whether you are trying to split hairs.

What category is it that you think that homosexuality and depression are meant to belong to? Other than society doesnt understand them?

Also, when I was talking about male genetalia I was talking about indirectly, not directly. I do not need intercourse with a male to have the babies in the modern world.

 

[1137]

@1137 Your posts seem to say one thing, then your responses to my comments seem to be saying something different. I am not sure if you arent just being clear or whether you are trying to split hairs.

What category is it that you think that homosexuality and depression are meant to belong to? Other than society doesnt understand them?

They are natural, nobody "chooses" to be such a way, it is something that must be adapted into every day life, thanks to modern society it's much less of a problem, both have been perceived as related to evil throughout history, and continuing to do so is simply ignorant, etc. You say you're a lesbian with depression and don't realize these truth both have in common? I find that terrifying.

Also, when I was talking about male genetalia I was talking about indirectly, not directly. I do not need intercourse with a male to have the babies in the modern world.

Uh, without the male where will the sperm come? There's no point to continue this conversation except to comment on the horrifyingly poor nature of modern sexual education.

 

[Nietzsche]

Uh, without the male where will the sperm come? There's no point to continue this conversation except to comment on the horrifyingly poor nature of modern sexual education.

We can make sperm out of bone marrow now.

 

[psychoslice]

Indeed. I do not understand why some religious people fight against it. If you're faithful...science is just exploring the grandeur of your chosen deity/deities. In the words of Carl Sagan "We're all star dust".

That is so much more impressive than "Abra-kadabrah, make my man grow!".

You always say the right thing.

 

[dgirl1986]

They are natural, nobody "chooses" to be such a way, it is something that must be adapted into every day life, thanks to modern society it's much less of a problem, both have been perceived as related to evil throughout history, and continuing to do so is simply ignorant, etc. You say you're a lesbian with depression and don't realize these truth both have in common? I find that terrifying.

Uh, without the male where will the sperm come? There's no point to continue this conversation except to comment on the horrifyingly poor nature of modern sexual education.

Oh I see, you were talking about what they had in common in relation to how there were seen but your original posts didnt make this clear. It came across as though you thought it was a mental health issue to be a homosexual.

....As I have said before....I can go to a sperm bank. I dont need male gentitals directly

 

[Nietzsche]

Oh I see, you were talking about what they had in common in relation to how there were seen but your original posts didnt make this clear. It came across as though you thought it was a mental health issue to be a homosexual.

....As I have said before....I can go to a sperm bank. I dont need male gentitals directly

Well if you think of it purely in math terms, in a way you do. It was in a man at some point and had to be coaxed out, and it was then inserted into you. There's some degrees of separation but the law of something or another whos name I can't remember says that in fact, you did.

 

[Ingledsva]

I even specified I was talking strictly from an evolutionary view, and while your points are all awesome, the species would still die no matter how much manual work we needed done. At the very least the homosexual members would not pass on their genes. Oh, and also this is not macro evolution you're addressing anyways.

What in the world are you saying? Whatever it is - it is wrong.

How, and why would the heterosexuals die off, just because a needed batch of gay people are born?

Obviously that hasn't happened. The heterosexuals just start having kids again.

Gay people have been around since the beginning , - Obviously heterosexuals are still around, and still trying to overpopulate the planet.

Gay people are a very small percentage of births every year. It holds pretty steady.

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[Ingledsva]

Oh I see, you were talking about what they had in common in relation to how there were seen but your original posts didnt make this clear. It came across as though you thought it was a mental health issue to be a homosexual.

....As I have said before....I can go to a sperm bank. I dont need male gentitals directly

You don't even need the sperm bank. Just a willing friend. A couple of years ago someone used a turkey baster to transfer the sperm - and got pregnant.

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[Ingledsva]

Because that bronze-age book with all the child-sacrifice, genocide & slavery in it said it would make an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being throw a temper-tantrum like a celestial eight year old.

LOL! Yep!


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[oldbadger]

There will come a time, not unlike the emancipation of black Americans, where the children of those who shunned homosexuals, transexuals, so on and so forth will be rightfully ashamed for the actions of their forefathers.

No........ you will have no right to expect the children of bigots toserve their forefathers' sentences in any way! We won't be requiring this in any new World........ that is a dark-ages thought as well, you know.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Going around calling people "sinners' is against Jesus teaching.

Yes, this find this judgemental attitude from fundamentalists incongruous. It's like they've spent too much time reading the Old Testament and not enough time reading the New one.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Comment in current thread:
"Homosexuality is wrong because homosexual sex is based on lust, not love. And lust involves the idea of using a person sexually for your own pleasure, which is wrong. You do not use a person for their most intimate emotions. It is immoral and destructive. So is bisexuality."

 

[Nietzsche]

No........ you will have no right to expect the children of bigots toserve their forefathers' sentences in any way! We won't be requiring this in any new World........ that is a dark-ages thought as well, you know.

Ahh, I think you misunderstood.

I am not saying their descendents hold any responsibility. That is obviously not true, nor is it fair. I am saying however, that they will inherently be ashamed by their ancestors. Not because we or I would blame them for it, but because of how their forefathers held up society.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

A couple of years ago someone used a turkey baster to transfer the sperm - and got pregnant.

I do hope they washed it thoroughly afterwards.