The Problem with "Fighting" Homosexuality

[sojourner]

I do hope they washed it thoroughly afterwards.

I can hear this line in a cheap porno film: <oven door opens> "Honey, I'm gonna baste your turkey!" <female moaning> "Oh, yeah, baby!"

 

[oldbadger]

Ahh, I think you misunderstood.

I am not saying their descendents hold any responsibility. That is obviously not true, nor is it fair. I am saying however, that they will inherently be ashamed by their ancestors. Not because we or I would blame them for it, but because of how their forefathers held up society.

Fair enough!
I guess that post must have touched a nerve in me, because my lot were the most prejudiced, bigoted pack of hypocrites on the planet. I just didn't want to have to pay for 'em!!!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I can hear this line in a cheap porno film: <oven door opens> "Honey, I'm gonna baste your turkey!" <female moaning> "Oh, yeah, baby!"

Maybe the film could be called "Spanksgiving".

 

[Nietzsche]

Maybe the film could be called "Spanksgiving".

I can get behind that.

 

[sojourner]

Maybe the film could be called "Spanksgiving".

Oh, that's good! With lots of stuffing and cramberry sauce!

 

[sojourner]

I can get behind that.

I'm on top of it!

 

[1137]

My only claims here have been (the facts that) reproduction is a critical aspect if evolution and it's something homosexuals cannot do. All the arguments for surrogacy (and the girl who thinks she can get sperm without male genitals, god help us all) are only relative to modern humanity. Like any good, arrogant, christian inspired line of thought, this ignores how biology, sex, and evolution apply on the full scale.

 

[1137]

Oh I see, you were talking about what they had in common in relation to how there were seen but your original posts didnt make this clear. It came across as though you thought it was a mental health issue to be a homosexual.

This has nothing to do with how they are seen, but rather what they are. How they are seen is simply a part of what they are. It doesn't matter how they are seen, they still are natural and one has no choice in the matter.

....As I have said before....I can go to a sperm bank. I dont need male gentitals directly

Oh my god.

How Human Reproduction Works - HowStuffWorks

 

[fantome profane]

My only claims here have been (the facts that) reproduction is a critical aspect if evolution and it's something homosexuals cannot do. All the arguments for surrogacy (and the girl who thinks she can get sperm without male genitals, god help us all) are only relative to modern humanity. Like any good, arrogant, christian inspired line of thought, this ignores how biology, sex, and evolution apply on the full scale.

No, this is just not true. It is true that humans reproduce through heterosexual sex (modern medical procedures notwithstanding). But homosexuals are fully capable of having heterosexual relations, and so reproducing. And homosexuals have always reproduced this way.

 

[Uberpod]

I'm on top of it!

I hate when gay threads get heterosexually graphic.

 

[1robin]

There are always a heavy supply of threads on religious type forums regarding homosexuality especially when debating the fact that it is wrong or against wrong or whatever.

What I notice the most in these discussions and debates is when outspoken conservative christians come out with what they call the truth about homosexuality, they are quite hateful towards the sexuality. This could be understandable if it ended there but it doesnt. There seems to be this irrational fear or hate towards the person with the sexuality. Is this what it means to follow jesus?

In my opinon, if these people truly cared about us and saw us as equal human beings they would do the obligatory mention that it is a sin and we may burn or whatever but it would end there. They wouldnt then disown, humiliate, embarass, bash, harass etc said person.

I have never noticed that. In fact I do not make an argument against a single gay person who ever lived. I make claims and show how the behavior is unjustifiable. I do not condemn anyone. Homosexuality is a sin just like many things that I at times do. I do not expect a Christian to condemn me because none are without sin, but if a Christian claims that my behavior was wrong I agree with him I do not look for reasons to defend what is wrong nor suggest he is making personal attacks.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

In fact I do not make an argument against a single gay person who ever lived. ......Homosexuality is a sin

 

[Ingledsva]

I do hope they washed it thoroughly afterwards.

LOL!

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[1robin]

Good Lord. I used to think Islamic threads were exasperating but homosexual threads make those look like the VERITAS forum.

Here is the difference.

I hate smoking because it kills people.

Compared to:

I hate you because you smoke.

or

Stealing a video game is wrong.

Compared to:

Your evil because you stole a video game.

or

Homosexuality is morally unjustifiable.

Compared to:

You are morally insane because your a homosexual.

Do you really not get this?

I condemn a behavior but love the one who engages in it if at all possible.

 

[Ingledsva]

I have never noticed that. In fact I do not make an argument against a single gay person who ever lived. I make claims and show how the behavior is unjustifiable. I do not condemn anyone. Homosexuality is a sin just like many things that I at times do. I do not expect a Christian to condemn me because none are without sin, but if a Christian claims that my behavior was wrong I agree with him I do not look for reasons to defend what is wrong nor suggest he is making personal attacks.

1. It is not actually condemned in the Bible.

2. Even if that were not the case, - supposedly Christians are not under Tanakh Law (except for ten.) So, any Christian condemning, or shoving anti-gay, or you are a sinner for being gay crap, etc., against homosexuals, is being a hypocrite.

If Christians do not follow ALL of the Torah Laws (that still can be followed,) then they are being hypocrites calling others sinners, for not following one of them!

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[ChristineES]

I think we Christians to need see it more like this: Since we believe that sin is an action, then we can't condemn people for who they are but for what they do. We all sin, we Christians believe that without a doubt. So even if a Christian were to believe that sex in one form or another is a sin, then the sin would be separated from the person. Jesus refused to condemn a woman caught in the act of adultery, why? Because the men who accused her were also guilty; not just of sin in general, but in fact that if the woman was caught in adultery then a man must have been with her and where was he?
Sometimes we get so caught up in what is sin that we forget about people. I think that is, at least, one of the reasons Jesus told us not to condemn others. The biggest trouble is hypocrisy.

 

[Harikrish]

Same sex couples make better parents. They are better at parenting. This leaves us the impression the more same sex couples marry and have children, the better off the next generation will be. For the rest, there will still be porn.

 

[ChristineES]

Same sex couples make better parents. They are better at parenting. This leaves us the impression the more same sex couples marry and have children, the better off the next generation will be. For the rest, there will still be porn.

I think any loving couple or individual can make good parent(s). I don't bring anything else into it.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Since we believe that sin is an action, then we can't condemn people for who they are but for what they do

That approach works if sin is the result of a choice. It doesn't work with somebody's sexuality, because sexuality isn't a choice.

 

[ChristineES]

That approach works if sin is the result of a choice. It doesn't work with somebody's sexuality, because sexuality isn't a choice.

A person chooses sex, he does not choose his sexual orientation. That said, I've never said that being a homosexual itself is a sin. That would be like saying that having brown hair is a sin and only being blond is not.

Whether any sexual acts are sins or not, is something for each of us to decide.