The Problem with "Fighting" Homosexuality

[sojourner]

Your actions don't bear that out one little bit. Your actions show that my assessment is totally accurate.

My actions are borne out of the ridiculousness of the claims you're making.

 

[MikeSavage]

My actions are borne out of the ridiculousness of the claims you're making.

First of all, I make no "claims". I state facts, truths. Your rejection of God and His word is what's troubling you. You say that my statements of fact dictate your actions? That's pretty weird. What do I have to post to make you stand on your head? Or to duct tape your hands together? Or to make you eat gefiltafish? Send me a list of commands and what they make you do please. This could be fun.

 

[sojourner]

I make no "claims". I state facts, truths.

No you don't.

Your rejection of God and His word is what's troubling you.

You have no idea how I view or feel about God. Stop trying to "save" me.

You say that my statements of fact dictate your actions? That's pretty weird.

As long as you post drivel, I will refute it, and I will be direct in doing so. If you don't like me raining on your parade, don't hold your parade on my street.

 

[MikeSavage]

No you don't.

You have no idea how I view or feel about God. Stop trying to "save" me.

As long as you post drivel, I will refute it, and I will be direct in doing so. If you don't like me raining on your parade, don't hold your parade on my street.

Not your "street". Not a parade. Your "rain" is nothing more than apostacies. The consequences of those apostacies, if you don't ask God for forgiveness, and repent, are quite severe and permanent in the coming Great Day of God the Almighty, Armageddon.

 

[MikeSavage]

No you don't.

You have no idea how I view or feel about God. Stop trying to "save" me.

As long as you post drivel, I will refute it, and I will be direct in doing so. If you don't like me raining on your parade, don't hold your parade on my street.

Yes, I do post truths of scripture. It is you who don't know what truth of scriptures actually are, and therefore can't recognize them. It's your failing that is your problem, not my posts. And why do you feel that you are some forum police anyway. Who are you? You are the complete opposite of humble. Haughty in the words of the Bible.
I am not trying to save you, you are beyond that, or so it appears by your attitude about God, His word, and His messages for us. Each post you place seems to refute God's word, God Himself, and all He and His son taught.

 

[McBell]

Not your "street". Not a parade. Your "rain" is nothing more than apostacies. The consequences of those apostacies, if you don't ask God for forgiveness, and repent, are quite severe and permanent in the coming Great Day of God the Almighty, Armageddon.

What is with all the empty threats?

 

[MikeSavage]

No you don't.

You have no idea how I view or feel about God. Stop trying to "save" me.

As long as you post drivel, I will refute it, and I will be direct in doing so. If you don't like me raining on your parade, don't hold your parade on my street.

Since you are deserving of NOTHING other than being totally ignored, you are going on my ignore list.

 

[McBell]

Since you are deserving of NOTHING other than being totally ignored, you are going on my ignore list.

How long before you have the whole forum on ignore?

Even those kissing your *** now will disagree with you sooner or later.

 

[Nakosis]

Owing to the fact that one does not "burn", as hell is not a place of torment, it is the common grave of mankind, then it's not a worry. And, since we do NOT have an immortal soul as the scriptures CLEARLY say, what could be sent there to be tormented? Regarding homosexuality, it's your choice to do the ENTIRE will of God, or not. If one chooses "not", then there is no salvation, or resurrection after the Kingdom takes over ruling Earth. Simply put, you should enjoy your life now, because that's it if you reject doing God's will. If one DOES the entire will of God, then we have ETERNAL life to look forward to on Earth, after Armageddon. Could be billions of years. No one really knows what God means by eternal. It doesn't mean immortal though, just eternal. I am sure you know that it's God's will to reject homosexual acts, or any sexually immoral act, such as sex outside the bonds of marriage, so no point in hashing that over again. Your choice to either live for now, and forget eternal life as promised, or to accept that free gift from the God of all creation.

Can't really say the gift is free if there are strings attached.
Other problem I I've no idea what God's will really is. People claiming to possess this knowledge claim is one thing whilst others making the same claim say it's something else.

If God wanted his will known, he should have really gotten a better PR department.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Stop being so self important and self righteous, and stop being so obsessed with attacking me, and please, find something else to do.

You sound like you're here to evangelise. A thread like this is probably not the best place to do that. Just saying.

 

[MikeSavage]

Can't really say the gift is free if there are strings attached.
Other problem I I've no idea what God's will really is. People claiming to possess this knowledge claim is one thing whilst others making the same claim say it's something else.

If God wanted his will known, he should have really gotten a better PR department.

You have access to that information. It's called the Bible. God requires doing His will, to inherit the Kingdom of the Heavens, on Earth. His will is clearly spelled out throughout the scriptures. Arguing with Him makes you His enemy. Turning your back on Him makes you His enemy. That means no Kingdom for you. No eternal life in a paradise Earth, no blessings, nothing, just the life you have now, and then nothing more. Ever.

 

[Nakosis]

You have access to that information. It's called the Bible. God requires doing His will, to inherit the Kingdom of the Heavens, on Earth. His will is clearly spelled out throughout the scriptures. Arguing with Him makes you His enemy. Turning your back on Him makes you His enemy. That means no Kingdom for you. No eternal life in a paradise Earth, no blessings, nothing, just the life you have now, and then nothing more. Ever.

I'm not arguing with God, I'm just asking for clarification. With language it is necessary to understand correctly the concepts implied by the author. You need to understand the culture, you need to understand context which is being assumed by the author.

It is easy to to misunderstand what is written if one is going by their own determination. Maybe a biblical scholar can reasonable argue a true understanding of the Bible which has some bona fide expertise. Unfortunately I have not this expertise.

Obviously many Christians go by their own determination with regard to the Word of God. It's why we have so many denominations. many Jews better equipped than I to understand the OT have issues with the authority of the NT.

You say it is clear. I beg to differ. I'm happy to go forth according to my own interpretation. However I'd expect you and many to and I know they have do so, state that my personal determination is wrong.

 

[McBell]

You have access to that information. It's called the Bible. God requires doing His will, to inherit the Kingdom of the Heavens, on Earth. His will is clearly spelled out throughout the scriptures. Arguing with Him makes you His enemy. Turning your back on Him makes you His enemy. That means no Kingdom for you. No eternal life in a paradise Earth, no blessings, nothing, just the life you have now, and then nothing more. Ever.

Tell me, are you going to be there?
Cause If you are, I would much rather be in hell.

 

[MikeSavage]

I'm not arguing with God, I'm just asking for clarification. With language it is necessary to understand correctly the concepts implied by the author. You need to understand the culture, you need to understand context which is being assumed by the author.

It is easy to to misunderstand what is written if one is going by their own determination. Maybe a biblical scholar can reasonable argue a true understanding of the Bible which has some bona fide expertise. Unfortunately I have not this expertise.

Obviously many Christians go by their own determination with regard to the Word of God. It's why we have so many denominations. many Jews better equipped than I to understand the OT have issues with the authority of the NT.

You say it is clear. I beg to differ. I'm happy to go forth according to my own interpretation. However I'd expect you and many to and I know they have do so, state that my personal determination is wrong.

What it takes to discern the true meaning of each scripture, is an honest heart, so that God uses holy spirit to unveil Satan's obfuscation of the truth, and it requires also comparing each scripture to each other scripture. If any scripture is in complete harmony, you have arrived at the true meaning. If it appears to conflict, you have not.

 

[gsa]

What it takes to discern the true meaning of each scripture, is an honest heart, so that God uses holy spirit to unveil Satan's obfuscation of the truth, and it requires also comparing each scripture to each other scripture. If any scripture is in complete harmony, you have arrived at the true meaning. If it appears to conflict, you have not.

Translation: "If you believe that scripture is inerrant and truthful, you are guided by the Holy Spirit and you have an honest heart. If you find contradictions and falsehoods, you are under the influence of Satan. By the way, everything I am saying is not me speaking, but God, so if you disagree with what I say, you are actually disagreeing with God, and you are under Satan's control."

Surely you cannot be surprised that no one takes you seriously when you write such things.

 

[MikeSavage]

Translation: "If you believe that scripture is inerrant and truthful, you are guided by the Holy Spirit and you have an honest heart. If you find contradictions and falsehoods, you are under the influence of Satan. By the way, everything I am saying is not me speaking, but God, so if you disagree with what I say, you are actually disagreeing with God, and you are under Satan's control."

Surely you cannot be surprised that no one takes you seriously when you write such things.

What makes you think that God is making you say what you say? I assure you, He doesn't.
What I said, is that Satan is veiling the true meaning of the scriptures from the entire Earth, as he is misleading the entire inhabited Earth. The only way around that, is for God to see in you an honest heart, and a desire to draw close to Him. If that is the case, He uses holy spirit to remove that veil. No holy spirit, no accurate understanding. Pretty simple, yet you don't seem to get it.

 

[gsa]

What makes you think that God is making you say what you say? I assure you, He doesn't.
What I said, is that Satan is veiling the true meaning of the scriptures from the entire Earth, as he is misleading the entire inhabited Earth. The only way around that, is for God to see in you an honest heart, and a desire to draw close to Him. If that is the case, He uses holy spirit to remove that veil. No holy spirit, no accurate understanding. Pretty simple, yet you don't seem to get it.

I understand what you are saying, but it is unreasonable.

 

[MikeSavage]

I understand what you are saying, but it is unreasonable.

God is not unreasonable. What He does is for His own reasons. If you don't understand His motivations, it's not His failing, it would be yours.

 

[sojourner]

Not your "street". Not a parade. Your "rain" is nothing more than apostacies. The consequences of those apostacies, if you don't ask God for forgiveness, and repent, are quite severe and permanent in the coming Great Day of God the Almighty, Armageddon.

Translation: I'm gonna tell my Big Brother; he'll beat you up!" <stamps foot>

 

[Nakosis]

What it takes to discern the true meaning of each scripture, is an honest heart, so that God uses holy spirit to unveil Satan's obfuscation of the truth, and it requires also comparing each scripture to each other scripture. If any scripture is in complete harmony, you have arrived at the true meaning. If it appears to conflict, you have not.

my understanding is that we are to treat other folks with same respect and courtesy which I would like to be treated with. I'm happy to be responsible for my actions, but to leave the judgement of others to God.

People should be treated equally regardless of their gender or sexual preference. Is that wrong?