CMike
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Absolutely correct. It's against judaism and G-D to follow false gods.
It breaks one of the Ten Commandments.
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The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW
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It breaks one of the Ten Commandments.
dantech
Well-Known Member
Tell me...
If I gave you a rulebook that you accepted, and that rulebook said: "You must obey to each of these laws until the end of time"
Then came another guy, saying I sent him and gave you another rulebook which said that you can actually forget the first rulebook's laws... That doesn't seem fishy to you?
I'm sure it's much easier to "love" Jesus rather than watch what you say, eat, do all the time.
dantech
Well-Known Member
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
Originally Posted by Porque77:no: ..... For you, Jews, all what remember the Gospel is abysmal and ahistorical. And you have never received Jesus Christ as God made Man.
And you've never wanted to recognize that the commandments of Jesus Christ are the only and true law of God.
Jesus is not a false god. Jesus Christ is the one true God, God made Man. And He came to teach us the true commandments of God.
The Jewish people had received the Law in Moses's time, but later the scribes changed the law of God. So you say the prophets:
"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)
"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)
"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).
"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).
And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:
"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9
Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. For this reason, the Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
The problem is that the prophets tell you that scribes changed what God had written from the beginning, and so God became man and came to show us the true Law of God.
And Moses received the Law, but later scribes changed the law of God, as say the prophets. The prophets tell us so:
"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)
"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)
"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).
"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).
And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:
"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9
Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. For this reason, the Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Jesus' love
Luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"
Matthew 10:35
For I have come to put a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law:
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
Porque77 said:
אל תען כסיל כאולתו פן תשוה לו גם אתה
Proverbs 26:4 says it all.
I will let someone else with a greater threshold for self-inflicted pain deal with the misinformation and nonsense you spout.
Hello Peter. The truth of the Gospel is for those who love the Gospel. Those who do not love the gospel will not understand anything. Hence, Jesus Christ said:
"If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin". (John 15:22
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
Hello CMike. There are many who do not want to fulfill what Jesus commanded, and those who do not want to do what Jesus commands, always be against those who love Jesus Christ and do what Jesus commands. And that's the mystery of teaching that you remember us.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Then it makes perfect sense. Since no one can come to love the "true" Gospel until they understand its truth. And since they won't understand its "truth" until they love the Gospel. Your god created the perfect method of ensuring people don't turn to your version of religion.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
The Gospel is the true Law of God and the true commandments of God. Law and commandments which abolished many commandments of the Old Testament who commanded the death penalty, slavery and sacrifices.
Having known the Gospel, turning back to the laws of the Old Testament that Jesus Christ abolished, is to despise the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
True Law of God tells us:
"all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets". (Matthew 7:12)
CMike
Well-Known Member
And of course those people need to be murdered.
Luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"
CMike
Well-Known Member
Works for me. Then I despise the gospel of Jesus.
Deuteronomy - Chapter 13 (Parshah Re'eh) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible
1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
The scripture says that the Lord had already taken the kingdom, was already in the Kingdom of Heaven. His servants are the angels. The wicked are the demons. And evil men are worshipers of demons.
This amounts to saying that God will end the badness someday. And this is the mercy of God. But the Gospel tells us men: "Thou shalt not kill" and this is the law of Jesus Christ for men who are in the world . And is that men do not know who is good and who is bad, because only God knows the hearts.
Men on earth have God's commandments:
God wants forgiveness, God wants mercy , and He commands us: "Thou shalt not kill" These commandments are for men.
The angels in heaven someday will end up with the demons and with all what is bad.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
The Old Testament commands many things that Jesus has not commanded. Moreover, He abolished many commandments of the Old Testament. And why Jesus Christ abolished those commandments if He not came to abolish the law of God?
It's simple. Jesus abolished many commandments of the Old Testament because they were not true Law of God.
The law of retaliation ("Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth") ABOLISHED BY JESUS CHRIST
"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and whosoever want to get to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your coat also, and whosoever shall compel thee to go one mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away" (Matthew 5:...)
The Jews were in the habit of applying the talionis law (law of revenge) in their judgments (eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn... and so on.), And so they wrote it in the laws of the old Testament (Exodus 21:24-25). The Lord abolished this law of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" because it was a law that did not included forgiveness or mercy, then weren't God's Law, because what God likes is the mercy.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you...." (Matthew 5...)
The Jews, often beheaded or hanged his enemies, and not only to them, but then, as says the laws of the Old Testament, entered the conquered peoples and in many cases children and women were slaughtered... Jesus Christ abolished these Old Testament laws and commands us to love our enemies.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
In the Kingdom of God, Christ will liberate from evil demons, to men and women of good will.
Christ wants mercy and forgiveness, but many do not want the mercy of Jesus Christ, so they do not want the kingdom of Jesus Christ. Many don't want the commandments of Jesus Christ:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)
Jesus teaches to a rich man, the precepts of the Law
"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22
These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many commandments of the Old Testament commanded death sentences, wars and slavery. And those commandments weren't really God's Law.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Then Jesus is a "false prophet":
Deuteronomy 4
2): "your G-d
shall not add to what I have commanded you or subtract."Dt. 13(1): "You shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it or subtracting."
Dt. 13(5): "His commandment you shall observe, holding fast to Him alone."
Dt. 29(28): "Concerns us and our descendents forever, that we may carry out all the words of this Law."
Joshua 1(5): "I will not leave or forsake you (7) observe the entire Law do not swerve from it."
Psalms 19(8): "The Law of the Lord is perfect (10) the ordinances of the Lord are true; all of them are just."
Ps. 119(160): "permanence is Your words chief trait, each of Your just ordinances is everlasting."
Isaiah 42(21): "pleased the Lord in His justice to make His Law great and glorious."
Is. 66(17): "they who eat swines flesh shall all perish."
Baruch 4(1): "the Law endures forever."
You now have a real problem: if the above are somehow not valid, then the entire "O.T." is not valid; and if that's not valid, there's logically no "messiah" because that's what predicts the "messiah".
nazz
Doubting Thomas
You are really stuck on that aren't you. Why don't you focus on this instead:
Mat 5:21-22 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire."
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you...
Mat 19:17-19 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
Rom 13:9-10 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
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Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
The law was changed, as say the prophets. The history and prophecies are something different. The law of the Old Testament is no longer valid because it was changed by the scribes:
"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)