Desert Snake
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You forgot the Burning Bush. That is a form, a manifestation. You have failed again in interpretation.
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The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW
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You forgot the Burning Bush. That is a form, a manifestation. You have failed again in interpretation.
CMike
Well-Known Member
No it wasn't. The burning bush wasn't G-d.
It was just a point where Moses can talk to as he was speaking to G-d.
It could have been anything.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
Originally Posted by paarsurrey
Please reflect:
Physical Manifestation
Christianity believes that G-d came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
The Torah states that G-d cannot not take any form.:
"You will not be able to see My face, for no human can see my face and live" (Exodus 33:18-20)
"You did not see any form on the day G-d spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of fire" (Deuteronomy 4:15)
As little as we may know about G-d's nature, Judaism has always believed that G-d is Incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form.
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Please reflect.... The prophets before Jesus Christ tell us that the scribes changed the law of God. So said the prophet: [/FONT]
"my people know not the judgment of Yahweh. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us ? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jer 8:7-9).
And Jesus Christ came back to teach us the true God's Law:
"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you , do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Mat 7:12)
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Good point, but the OT has value and is still a Sacred set of Books for Christianity, despite mis-interpretation.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Moses was not a scribe and neither were the prophets.
The Torah was written by Moses and the prophets were written by the individual prophets.
It warns against scribes that may change the law, like christian ones.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
Jesus Christ is God, and His law is the true Law of God ... Jesus Christ is God because He says so:
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?" (John 14:6-11)
And therefore, the commandments of Jesus Christ are the true Law of God..., commands that say so:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets". (Matthew 7:12)
"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22)
These are the commandments of the Gospel, which are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery.
These commandmets of death sentences, wars and slavery aren't God's commandments.
Jesus Christ preached us the true God's Law, but Roma's emperors (emperor Constantine, IV century) don't wanted the Gospel's Law and they imposed the Old Testament's laws saying these laws were the God's commandments. Since then, the Gospel's Law was unknown to the christian people as the only God's Law and the God's true Law.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
Greedy men with many goods, never wanted the commandments of Jesus Christ, and these men were the ones who made many religions called: Jews, "Messianic Jews", "Ephraimites", "Catholics" and others called "Christians"..., religions that do not follow the commandments of the Gospel.
None rich man wanted distribute their property with the poor as Jesus commanded, for this reason those men did their own religions, for leave unknown the commandments of Jesus Christ.
The commandments of the Gospel are very different to the commandments of the Old Testament, for all the commandments of the Gospel are merciful, but many Old Testament commandments commands death sentences, wars and slavery. These commandmets of death sentences, wars and slavery aren't God's commandments.
Jesus Christ preached us the true God's Law, but Roma's emperors (emperor Constantine, IV century) don't wanted the Gospel's Law and they imposed the Old Testament's laws saying these laws were the God's commandments. Since then, the Gospel's Law was unknown to the christian people as the only God's Law and the God's true Law.
Then I remember the commandments of Jesus Christ:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets". (Matthew 7:12)
Jesus teaches to a rich man, the precepts of the Law
"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22)
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
The OT leads to the NT, it is a precursor with much value. I disagree with you here, and I wonder how much you have actually considered your viewpoint. In fact, these hard lines you are drawing are not even accurate as to how Christianity views the OT, as we do so differently from Judaism. You are comparing apples and oranges.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
The true law of God was written by the finger of God, and after by Moses. But later scribes changed the law of God and they increased it with many precepts of men. And that's how the Old Testament arrived to Jesus and after to us.
The Jewish scribes were the ones who changed the Law of God. After, Jesus taught us the true commandments of God. Then, the commandments of the Gospel are the true commandments of God.
The commandments of Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, and were abolished because they were not commandments of God.
The Law of God taught by Jesus Christ says so:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets". (Matthew 7:12)
And Jesus teaches to a rich man, the precepts of the Law
"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22)
CMike
Well-Known Member
I know.
The christian church showed their true commandmens by mass murdering millions who weren't chrisitan just as jesus commanded in Luke
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe God has always existed.
I believe you have been reading too much disinformation.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I take it that the statement is tongue-in-cheek?
I suppose one could think that ethnic cleansing was what was being practiced when God had everyone killed in Jercho but the reality is that God destroys the wicked which explains the holocaust and why God did not prevent it.
I believe the Nazis didn't care if a person was wicked or not, only if the person was Jewish and if the Jew happened to be a Christian then too bad for him also.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there is no statement there that God can't take on form.
I believe this is correct but the scripture also reveals that God can take over a person's mind as exemplified by Saul prophesying which was something he could not do without the Spirit of God. That wasn't full residency but it indicated that residency was possible.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
I read your post several times to see if I was reading this out of context, to see if there was some other way to understand it, some other meaning I just was not getting.
Maybe, it's too early in the morning, but I couldn't find any other meaning to it.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, it's quite OK for God to commit genocide against children and innocent adults?
CMike
Well-Known Member
I would consider the ethnic cleaning done duing the spanish inquisition where they called zillions of jews, as well as murdering jews since they blamed them for the plague.
Of course let's not forget the progroms and the church helping the nazis.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
It was all that Christian love.
Porque77
The Gospel is God's Law
The church of the apostles and early Christians did not order those things ... That came after the fourth century, when the Roman emperors becomes heads of religion of the empire, religion which were called, the religion of Rome ...
The church of the apostles and early Christians did not kill anyone, they no imposed death sentences, they did not imposed bondage, and nor wars against anyone ... the early Christians had mercy and they forgive to all men...