The Qur'an allows sex-slaves...!?

[Godobeyer]

Anecdotal evidence isn't really the best way to get a truly accurate idea of something. Though I have a relative who has been to multiple middle-eastern countries and he says drug taking and homosexuality are quite common, though the muslims doing it pretend it doesn't exist.

So make a search about prostitution in Muslim world VS and Western world, and you will find out.

 

[Aquitaine]

So make a search about prostitution in Muslim world VS and Western world, and you will find out.

The muslim countries will under-report the number of prostitutes in their countries, just like they do with the number of Homosexuals and rapes (which apparently don't exist), so there is little point to be honest.

 

[Godobeyer]

The muslim countries will under-report the number of prostitutes in their countries, just like they do with the number of Homosexuals and rapes (which apparently don't exist), so there is little point to be honest.

I am honest, I did not deny that not exist .

but I tell it's not comparable to West or non-Muslim countries , especially about prostitution .

 

[FearGod]

Since we're on the topic of generalizations, we in the west get plenty of young muslim men coming over here, guess what a lot of them do: take drugs, go to nightclubs and have many girlfriends.
Muslim royals even do it when they visit London: arrange parties with prostitutes and drugs whilst their Ferraris are parked outside the hotels. Of course, when they go back to thier home countries, they act all noble and prudish.

Of course hypocrites exist too and they're even more worse than the atheists.

 

[BSM1]

Its not a problem of mine if you dont see the sequence between my and your replies. I was responding to a claim you did, but the the point has been lost in the conversations and by you not seeing the point.

You dont seem to understand the difference between supporting something and finding a solution for something. For you it seems they are both the same.

Okay. Peace Out, brother.

 

[FearGod]

That's your counter-argument? Seriously? Islam did not outlaw slavery but that doesn't matter because the West has outlawed it but isn't effective at tackling it because our law enforcement can only tackle the criminal elements they're aware of?

...

Un-****ing-believable.

And Islam didn't outlaw alcohol, and didn't outlaw raising and selling pigs.
All dirty things that is happening today in the world and was happening in pre Islam was solved
by the message of Islam.

Islam focused in helping the poor, doing the good deeds, avoid harming and oppressing the weak, not
to kill the baby female and more concern were about the orphans because the orphans at the end will
be slaves if nobody raised them well, the prophet was very concerned about raising the orphans.

Sahl ibn Sa’d reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The one who cares for an orphan and myself will be together in Paradise like this,” and he held his two fingers together to illustrate.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 5659

Also God permitted for men to marry more than one women against that they care about the orphans, and
if not then to employ a maid to raise them.

Today we can see wealthy countries and people living in poverty in these countries.

 

[Nefelie]

Wouldn't agree on that one with you & you're picking up verses out of context.

OK then you explain to me what these verses really mean.

This is maybe a little off-topic, but I love how people acknowledge that in the Bible the slavery is brutal, but hey let's focus on Islam & Qur'an because Islam.

Once again: two wrongs do not make one right.

Also, when I see a today’s Jew or Christian actually encouraging slavery by invoking the Bible, like the Muslim lady does to the OP by invoking the Qur’an, be sure I’ll make a huge fuss about it!

I don't see why such big fuss about this topic, slavery is not so common today & mentally stable person is against it & surely won't want to revive it because his religion has rules on how you should treat your slave and free them.

Seriously? You don’t see why the big fuss?

…And soooo many more.

It looks like there are many unstable people within Islam...

AND THAT IS THE BIG FUSS!

but I tell it's not comparable to West or non-Muslim countries, especially about prostitution.

I suppose that Muslims keep pointing fingers to the West because they cannot defend their ways firmly.

Once again so you may understand it (hopefully) :
No one in the West invokes the Bible or any other Holy Book to justify their bad ways.
God has nothing to do with being a monster to others.
Muslims try to justify their bad ways by invoking the Qur’an - God’s word, and thus present a bad thing as God’s good ways!
Got it??
.

 

[FearGod]

OK then you explain to me what these verses really mean.



Once again: two wrongs do not make one right.

Also, when I see a today’s Jew or Christian actually encouraging slavery by invoking the Bible, like the Muslim lady does to the OP by invoking the Qur’an, be sure I’ll make a huge fuss about it!



Seriously? You don’t see why the big fuss?

…And soooo many more.

It looks like there are many unstable people within Islam...

AND THAT IS THE BIG FUSS!



I suppose that Muslims keep pointing fingers to the West because they cannot defend their ways firmly.

Once again so you may understand it (hopefully) :
No one in the West invokes the Bible or any other Holy Book to justify their bad ways.
God has nothing to do with being a monster to others.
Muslims try to justify their bad ways by invoking the Qur’an - God’s word, and thus present a bad thing as God’s good ways!
Got it??
.

This rubbish scenes exist only in the media, you and some others are fooled by the media.

Why not to hear from the one who was a captive herself or as you want to call "a slave", Islam is
a tsunami for those who work to stop it, it's God message that no one on earth can stop it.

 

[firedragon]

Whos interpretation would we go on, and what about muslims wo disagree with the accepted interpretation?

BTW, That post does not have any varying interpretations. Its plain and blatant.

But I also understand your question about interpretations. My recommendation is that if you really want, interpret it from the Quranic point of view. Not external documents.

 

[firedragon]

OK then you explain to me what these verses really mean.



Once again: two wrongs do not make one right.

Also, when I see a today’s Jew or Christian actually encouraging slavery by invoking the Bible, like the Muslim lady does to the OP by invoking the Qur’an, be sure I’ll make a huge fuss about it!



Seriously? You don’t see why the big fuss?

…And soooo many more.

It looks like there are many unstable people within Islam...

AND THAT IS THE BIG FUSS!



I suppose that Muslims keep pointing fingers to the West because they cannot defend their ways firmly.

Once again so you may understand it (hopefully) :
No one in the West invokes the Bible or any other Holy Book to justify their bad ways.
God has nothing to do with being a monster to others.
Muslims try to justify their bad ways by invoking the Qur’an - God’s word, and thus present a bad thing as God’s good ways!
Got it??
.

I agree with you Nefelie. People do invoke their scripture for their atrocities. Though they cant
In order to use the scripture for their dirty work, they have invented various stories outside the Quran that support their intentions.
Thats bias and hypocritical. They are so blind with no cure.

But you have intellect. Why dont you change your approach rather than having the same approach of those hypocrites.

 

[firedragon]

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. - 9:5

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. - 9:29

Out of context much. Use the surrounding verses. Also the whole Quran.

 

[firedragon]

Also, when I see a today’s Jew or Christian actually encouraging slavery by invoking the Bible, like the Muslim lady does to the OP by invoking the Qur’an, be sure I’ll make a huge fuss about it!

I have a remote feeling Nefelie that you are pretty. Lol.

(Now you cant kill me even if you want to and are angry

 

[Augustus]

t I tell it's not comparable to West or non-Muslim countries , especially about prostitution .

Maybe in a small number of Arab countries, but the Asian and African ones are rife with prostitution. Far more than in Western countries. I used to live in Amsterdam 200m from the Red Light District and even that doesn't compare to somewhere like Jakarta.

Prostitution is remarkably low in Western countries because of the welfare state, better education, greater gender equality, etc.

 

[Godobeyer]

Maybe in a small number of Arab countries, but the Asian and African ones are rife with prostitution. Far more than in Western countries. I used to live in Amsterdam 200m from the Red Light District and even that doesn't compare to somewhere like Jakarta.

Does there shops (women stand inside) in Jakarta like RLD ?

I live in Algeria, this is not phenomen as India or Latina countries (SA),and Russia.

Prostitution is remarkably low in Western countries because of the welfare state, better education, greater gender equality, etc.

But I believe it's still shameful that women in West still used as goods (shops), to live there!

 

[Augustus]

Does there shops (women stand inside) in Jakarta like RLD ?

Usually not literally in the street, just inside a brothel/club/Karaoke place/massage parlour. It isn't at all hidden, and even advertises itself publicly. For example, there is family karaoke which is a place to do karaoke, and executive karaoke which is karaoke + prostitutes. They have signs outside like any other business, and don't require 'specialist' insider knowledge to identify; everyone knows about them.

Here's an article about an area that was recently closed in Surabaya, East Java.

http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/dolly-done-se-asias-largest-red-light-district-closes/

and one in Jakarta

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...ed-light-district-closes-160227194033089.html

 

[Nefelie]

This rubbish scenes exist only in the media, you and some others are fooled by the media.

Waaaaaay too many to ignore.

Why not to hear from the one who was a captive herself or as you want to call "a slave"

Classic psychological case of captive falling in love with prison guard.

Islam is a tsunami for those who work to stop it, it's God message that no one on earth can stop it.

Is that a threat…?

Out of context much. Use the surrounding verses. Also the whole Quran.

Do you care to explain the verses? Because the other guy didn’t even try.

I have a remote feeling Nefelie that you are pretty. Lol.

(Now you cant kill me even if you want to and are angry

Smartypants

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[FearGod]

Waaaaaay too many to ignore.

To ignore what, the hate monger videos about Islam.

psychological case of captive falling in love with prison guard.

Aha falling in love, she becomes a Muslim because of love.

Is that a threat…?

The message of Islam is a threat, what kind of a stupid conclusion is this.

 

[Raahim]

The message of Islam is a threat, what kind of a stupid conclusion is this.

Conclusion ignorants would make I guess.

 

[Demonslayer]

ke a look at the video posted, all questions on this thread are answered so I'm not sure why people avoid the video.

I post from work so I can't access videos here.

 

[Demonslayer]

Are you sure about the NT?
Passage please.

Slavery is all over the place in the New Testament.

Ephesians 6:5-8 (NASB): 5Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; 6not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. 7With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 8knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.

Christian slaves were told to obey their masters "for the sake of the cause" and be especially obedient to Christian masters:

1 Timothy 6:1-2 (NASB): 1All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. 2Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles.

There are instructions for Christian slave owners to treat their slaves well. (How morally upright!!)

Ephesians 6:9 (NASB): 9And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.

Colossians 4:1 (NASB) 1Masters, grant to your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven.[6]