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The Qur'an allows sex-slaves...!?

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
But why you ignore that maybe the only religon who encourage to free slaves is Islam !!

Slavery was exist in past,so it's was normal.

How do you consider strip clubs, for me it's a modern slavery and dishonor the woman.

Just google "prostitues shop" or "prostitues by order"

I love strip clubs tbh.

Also yes, slavery did exist in the past, but it is backed up by Allah in the Qur'an for Muslims. So that's different. It means it can never be abolished as it's from Allah.
 

Nefelie

Member
Some people are so ignorant that it becomes very scary. :eek:

Since you are the only Muslim -till now- that has answered to this thread, I’d like it if you could be more specific.

Sex out of marriage is punishable and a great sin, there's no such a thing as sex slaves.

True. But according to Qur’an, sex with your slaves is OK:

Who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.
Qur'an 23:5-6​

Islam encourages freeing the slaves and gives women the dignity and modesty, so this video is nonsense.

It would be much easier if the Qur’an forbade slavery, to start with.

Yes but my question stands.
How did you deem the right hand possesses to be slaves?
How do they become sex slaves?

And (also forbidden are) all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication.
Qur'an 4:24

Who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.
Qur'an 23:5

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;
Qur'an 33:50​

Are these enough to answer your questions? I have more if not :)

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firedragon

Veteran Member
But you can't show your piety by freeing slaves if there are no slaves to free any more.

Most readers would find it astonishing to hear that slavery still exists in the modern world. Though the practice was abolished officially it is still very much alive. According to a study done by the International Labour Organisation the estimated number of slaves has increased from 12.3 million to 30 million since 2005. Slavery is not declining, in fact it is increasing.

Defining slavery

• Humans used, sold or bought as a commodity or property
• Imprisoned or kept by force with no freedom of movement
• Forced to work via some form of threat
• Forcefully acquired or owned by a master or employer, abused or under threat of abuse.

Slavery has been officially abolished since 1981 and the world at large, including some Muslims believe that Islam does propagate slavery. It is an erroneous view as you will find the Quran telling us that slaves are to be set free as a repenting act for a sin or crime you commit. If a billion Muslims follow the Quranic teachings and seek to set a slave free to redeem themselves, 30 Million slaves might see a hope of freedom. Many do find it silly to discuss slavery but slavery is very much alive, it is in the increase and needs attention. The ILO goes to the length of quoting 90$ as the average cost of a slave.

Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who
• believes in God and the Last Day,
• and the angels,
• and the Book,
• and the prophets,
• and who gives money out of love to the relatives,
• and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask,
• and to free the slaves;
• and who upholds prayer,
• and who contributes towards purification;
• and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge,
• and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair.

These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. – Quran 2:177

Very directly and clearly the Quran gives a formula to live by, which if someone has an argument against is imprudent.


As you can see, freeing slaves is part of a Muslims creed.
• Quran verse 4:92 says that if you kill someone by mistake (e.g. Motor Accident), you must free a slave and compensate the family. Compensating the family is for their wellbeing, freeing a slave is for your salvation. Imagine every Muslim in the world seeking to free a slave in case of an accidental death.
• Verse 5:89 ordains you to free a slave in case you had broken an oath or a promise. If you owe someone money and you break the promise of return, if and when you repent, it is not enough just to return that money. You must free a slave as an act of repentance.

9:60 gives you freeing a slave as a duty amongst charity and relieving those in debt.

The Quran articulates in this manner
“Do you know which the better path is?
o The freeing of slaves.
o Or the feeding on a day of great hardship.
o An orphan of relation.
o Or a poor person in need.”
- Quran 90:12-16
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I love strip clubs tbh.

Also yes, slavery did exist in the past, but it is backed up by Allah in the Qur'an for Muslims. So that's different. It means it can never be abolished as it's from Allah.
backed :D

Sometimes ,you suprise me by your ignorance about Islam!
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
And (also forbidden are) all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication.
Qur'an 4:24

Who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.
Qur'an 23:5

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;
Qur'an 33:50

Again, how do you deem the right hand possesses to be slaves?
And then sex slaves?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
I backed to you :p

So you encourage the modern slavery !
It's not slavery. Those women are strippers of their own will. No-one is forcing them or owning them. They get to choose who they have sex with, if they want to do that, they earn money, they can leave any time. It's not slavery.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.
Qur'an 23:5-6

If you dont mind me asking where did you get this from?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
It's not slavery. Those women are strippers of their own will. No-one is forcing them or owning them. They get to choose who they have sex with, if they want to do that, they earn money, they can leave any time. It's not slavery.
Indeed it's.

it is important to mention here that hostess and strip clubs are also rife with slave labor, outside of the traditional notions of forced prostitution (sex work). The actual performances, duties, and dancing (the labor) can be exploited, with or without forced sexual contact with customers (I do not conflate voluntary sex work with human trafficking, a discussion more appropriate for the upcoming series on sex trafficking).


https://unite4humanity.wordpress.com/tag/strip-clubs/
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Yes, and I don't care if they want to. That didn't have any basis in the Gathas or what Zarathustra did. I'm British, we invented the concentration camp - but concentration camps aren't an inherent part of being British. Owning slaves in allowed as per Qur'an, so is inherent within Islam. Simple as that.

Wrong
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Indeed it's.

it is important to mention here that hostess and strip clubs are also rife with slave labor, outside of the traditional notions of forced prostitution (sex work). The actual performances, duties, and dancing (the labor) can be exploited, with or without forced sexual contact with customers (I do not conflate voluntary sex work with human trafficking, a discussion more appropriate for the upcoming series on sex trafficking).

https://unite4humanity.wordpress.com/tag/strip-clubs/
Well that damn sucks. Merci Godobeyer.
 

Nefelie

Member
But why you ignore that maybe the only religon who encourage to free slaves is Islam !!

Because at the same time it tells you that it’s OK to have slaves.

Slaves existed before Islam and hence freeing them was a good deed, today slaves are worse than ever and women are traded for 1 hour pleasure, we may say rental services.

True, but it has nothing to do with religion and definitely do not have the “blessings” of any other religion… Exempt Islam:

The purchase of female slaves for sex was lawful from the perspective of Islamic law, and this was the most common motive for the purchase of slaves throughout Islamic history.
Brunschvig. 'Abd; Encyclopedia of Islam, Brill, page 13 (from Wikipedia)

According to Sikainga, "in reality, however, female slaves in many Muslim societies were prey for members of their owners' household, their neighbors, and their guests."
Sikainga, Ahmad A. (1996). Slaves Into Workers: Emancipation and Labor in Colonial Sudan. University of Texas Press (from Wikipedia)​

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Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Muhammad owned and bought slaves:

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878)

The Prophet sent for a woman from the emigrants and she had a slave who was a carpenter. The Prophet said to her "Order your slave to prepare the wood (pieces) for the pulpit." So, she ordered her slave who went and cut the wood from the tamarisk and prepared the pulpit, for the Prophet. When he finished the pulpit, the woman informed the Prophet that it had been finished. The Prophet asked her to send that pulpit to him, so they brought it. The Prophet lifted it and placed it at the place in which you see now. (Bukari 47:743)
 
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