The Rapture

[AK4]

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Exactly!

NO! This is my concept. You can't add two sentences joined by an "and" as though all ands were inclusive "ands". You have to have some proof that the sentences tie together. Not all "ands" are inclusive ie.

Come on are you serious? Does this scripture ring a bell with what you just said

Mt 23:24 "You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

This is exactly what you and theologians do.

Whether the scholars are fudging scripture depends on your point of view.

Not my point of view. My point of view means nothing. We are to test the spirits [meaning even those humans who “teach” us]. The way to tell if they are fudging the scriptures is to put what they teach up against the scriptures. That is what I do and this is not my point of view or interpretation. You can take the most basic principle “God is love” and put that against the hell doctrine or annihilation doctrine and see how scholars fudged the scriptures.

They are missing the fact that the Rapture is mentioned in the Mat. passage because they have evaluated the passage as a "second coming of Jesus" passage. It gives them a pre-conceived notion that the Rapture is not mentioned. It is the same reasoning made by the Pharisees that Jesus of Nazareth could not be the Messiah because He didn't come from Bethlehem.

Ive read some who do include this passage to “support” their rapture theory and it still all fails when I or anyone else just puts the rapture up to this one thing---they teach that believers will be raptured from tribulation while the scriptures say that believers are to go through MUCH TRIBULATION to be saved. Take that principle and add the principle “God who does not lie”, now to believe them it makes different scriptures contradict and makes God a liar. So 2 principles broke by just saying believers are rapture from going into tribulation. See what Im saying?

There is no question that Jesus spoke in parables but that is not the "only" speaking that He did. (That is the problem with using words like "all", "every" and "only".)

No theres no problem with the all, every. Theologians and scholars screwed this up ON PURPOSE [just research this up and they openly admit it]. This “all & every” stuff is ludicrous. Again does Mt 23:24 ring true here again. “All have sinned”, same greek word “pas”. Will they do the same thing with verse as they do the verses that say Jesus will save all? Of course not, why? To be frank, because their sick evil and demented and they WANT people to be tortured forever and because it pumps up their egos to makes them feel better than others. Sadly its not just them but also all their sheeple too.

You would almost think you had it with Mat 13:34 but all you can prove by that is that He spoke that way at that time. Here is a passage where Jesus spoke to a person without using parables:

I just shake my head at you guys in amazement and I bite my tongue because there is a scripture that perfectly describes people who do this. It says “BECAUSE YOU DESPISE MY WORD”. I just showed you like 15 scriptures showing that Jesus only spoke to the masses in parables [what does it say about establishing a truth, you need two or three witnesses and I gave you at least ten] and you spit on this truth with that verse as if God lies and contradicts. You just showed you believe God is a liar. Really think about it. Jesus said God is love. That’s plain speech without a parable yet do you actually truly believe that nullifies the truth of He only spoke to the masses in parables? Come on now. Can you see why Jesus constantly berated the Pharisees and scribes of that day? Do you think it would be different today?

1Jo 2:22 Who is the liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, even he that denieth the Father and the Son.

Now show me where this is limited to THE antichrist, one single person/thing because there are millions out there who denieth the Father and the Son and as stated “there are MANY ANTICHRISTS” already out there. Believe it or not Christians who believe and teach that people die and go to heaven or hell or wherever are antichrists too.

Yes. I believe what the BIble says about this, that people do things that are contrary to the will of God.

False prophets and false Christs. The Anti-Christ is a false Christ.

Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

Think on this: Mt 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs ---they say Jesus will save all, but a lot of people are going to hell or all doesn’t mean all or when it says He wills all men, it’s the weak version of will/wish and Gods wishes are weak---how many different false christs of Christendom fit this description

and false prophets--- 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,[ONLY CHRISTIANS CALL JESUS LORD—THINK ABOUT THAT]' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven {will enter.} 22 "Many will say to Me on thatday, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name,[ONLY CHRISTIANS CAN PROPHESY IN THE NAME OF JESUS -- THINK ABOUT THAT TOO], and in Your name ,[AGAIN,ONLY CHRISTIANS] cast out demons, and in Your name,[AGAIN, ONLY CHRISTIANS] perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' [Is He not talking to those who call themselves christian?]

But do Christians actually think about this and take this to heart? No. Do they realize that it is they who are the ones who make up “false christs” and are the “false prophets” with their false teachings and “predictions/prophecy” of the end times. Are they not false prophets?

No! It makes abosuletly no sense to me

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Which is this referring to?

However that may be it does not mean that every doctrine is in complete error.

Most of their doctrines are not in complete error which makes them more dangerous and deceptive. It makes it worse because by mixing in lies with truth it makes it harder for those who want to find the truth to find it. Satans not stupid, he knows what hes doing, after all he does deceive the WHOLE WORLD. Scripture say Jesus is the Saviour of the world, satan takes this true doctrine mixes in the unscriptural teachings of eternity/everlasting/for ever and ever and hell. Now you have Jesus saving the whole world except most of humanity will be tortured forever or everlasting. No, the doctrine is not in complete error ONLY because yes Jesus will save the whole world BUT the mixed in lie does tremendous damage all the way to making Jesus and God liars and monsters and MAKES the church teach other heresies to make the lie fit the truth. In this case, they introduced the doctrine of freewill AND the fall AND the Lucifer story to make it work. Do you see what I saying?

 

[S-word]

First response to post #66 from Aka.

Oh so lets see, THE great tribulation, when did it happen? Did it happen back there in the first century to all those believers? One could argue yes, hence preterists. Now you have a problem that its supposed to happen right before Christs return. Did He return back then? No. But surely they suffered great tribulation back then more than anyone else before them right?

The great Tribulation (And I’m glad to see that you are now calling it the great tribulation, it’s a sign that you’re beginning learn) happens just before the thousand year rule of our Lord and saviour, which is; “The Day of the Lord,” Acts 17: 31; The day that He has fixed in which He will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man that he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising the man from death.

If those days were not cut short, not even the elect and chosen would survive, but they are cut short, and immediately after those days there will be strange signs in the heavens, the heavenly lights will loose their shining and be turned into blood red orbs as their light attempts to penetrate the protective swaddling cloud that surrounds our earth. After the great war, in which the Lord saves his chosen people of Israel, and during the next thousand years, with the wealth of tribute from the surviving nations that will flow into Israel, where, in the Holy literal city of Jerusalem, from where the Lord God our saviour, will rule the whole world with Justice, (who is not the ONE True God Almighty,) man will prepare for life beyond the destruction of all physical life forms on this planet, after the thousand years have ended.

Quote AKA; Wait your argument is that THE great tribulation is to happen right before the end of the age.

No, that is not my belief, as any person who has followed this debate, excluding you of course, would have understood. I have said that the great tribulation occurs before the thousand years in which our Lord and saviour will judge the whole world with Justice, and after that day, fire will come down from heaven and bring about the end of this age of man. Even in the Book of Adam and Eve, it is written that as Adam was dying, Eve asked him when she would follow him in death, and she was told that she would Join her Lord in death in six days time, and as Adam died in the first day at the age of 930, then Eve, who has become the expanded and pregnant androgynous body of mankind, will die at he close of the seventh Day, the “Day of the Lord,” which is the great Sabbath.

When Adam was dead, the Lord had the angels show to Seth, how the bodies of man should be prepared, after which, the mummified body of Adam was laid in a stone sarcophagus, with the four sacred tokens that Adam was allowed to take from paradise, which sarcophagus was then placed in the mountain, where the door opens to accept the chest of Adam, and the Lord said to the dead Adam, dust thou art, and to dust thou shall return, but when the resurrection comes around again (Showing that the resurrection is a cyclic occurrence) I will raise you to life and then will you be permitted to eat of the tree in the middle of the garden, even the tree of life.
Michael then says to Eve and her children, “Weep not beyond six days, then rejoice and sing halleluiah, for the righteous soul, that this day has been taken from you.”

With the death of the body of mankind, in which Jesus, the chosen cornerstone to the new Temple in which God will dwell on earth among a new and humble race of mankind, is developing as the new species that comes from man, ”The Son of Man,” will be born, and it is He, “Lord to the glory of God, to whom the elect and chosen who are still on the earth at the sound of the last trumpet, will be translated from human bodies to angelic bodies and will be caught up to heaven to be with the Lord, who, when the earth is once more able to sustain physical life forms, will plant the seeds that have been preserved, and create the animals anew upon the earth from the genetic bank that was prepared and sent to a place of protection from the fire that will destroy all life on this planet, after which he will say to his angelic subjects, “And now, Let us make man in our image and likeness to dwell on this very earth, for another seven thousand year cycle of mankind. Isn’t it wonderful to know, that somewhere hidden in the mountain in the stone sarcophagus, is the well preserved body of the first man from the previous age, the perfect subject from which to clone the next age of man.

 

[S-word]

Still answerin AKA'S Post # 66.

Quote AKA; Yes a half truth because not only was it great tribulation for them back then it will also be for those before the end of age so therefore trying to make a THE great tribulation is only half truth. Its similar to saying that Christ was only talking to the ALL churches in Revelation only at that time period and wasnt talking to all the churches at this time period or any other time period.

We, can ignore this tattle of tripe also, as it has been dealt with in the last chapter.

Quote AKA; I get my stuff only from the scriptures, you go to extra biblical stuff, especially the book of Enoch.

Correct my dear friend, you get your stuff from the scraps of scripture that you are allowed to eat of, but it is in that extra BIBLICAL STUFF, of which you speak, that extra BIBLICAL STUFF, which your mother church has forbidden you to eat from, that the key to unlock all of God’s word, is to be found.

Quote AKA; Another major problem of christians because they DONT BELIEVE THE WORDS OF OUR SAVIOUR. What does He plainly say

Re 1:18 - I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen;

What else does He say

Mt 15:8 - 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.

Exactly what you and most christians do. He said He died. DIED. DEAD. Do you understand what the word died and dead mean? Apparently not, so you and your fellow mates dont believe Him.

First of all, I’d like you to point out those, who you believe to be my fellow mates. Where are those people, who you think, believe as I believe? And please do not associate me with those so-called Christians who refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, the one who was chosen from among the Israelites, as the obedient servant of “Who I Am,” who He, sent in his name to speak in his name, “Who I Am,” who raised Jesus from death as the first of many brothers, who are chosen from the body of mankind to inherit the angelic bodies that are prepared for them. “Our Lord God and Saviour”, who is not The One True God Almighty, but is the God who presides in the assembly of all the gods who exist in the Great singularity, who Is the One True God Almighty, in who we dwell, and who pervades and animates the entire universal body.

Quote AKA; In yall words the Lord did not really die,

Of course he died, even the scraps of Scripture, which you are allowed to feed on, tell you that. But because you are so confused, I don’t know who you are speaking of. If it is Jesus that you are referring to, then from the scraps that you feed upon, you should know that while he was dead in the flesh, but alive in spirit, he went and preached to the dead, who heard the Good News from the obedient servant of the Lord, as did those who were still alive in the flesh. We the living, are all dead in the Omega, who is the end result of the evolution of the Alpha.

But if you are talking about our saviour the Lord God, “The Son of Man, Who I Am,” who dies for the sins of the body in which he developed, and who placed Jesus, his chosen heir and successor, in his throne, before His immortal body was torn asunder and poured out as fire that settled upon the heads of all those who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus.

He, our Lord and Saviour has not actually died according to the concept of death that is held by most people, but has ceased to exist as who he was, and “Who He Was” will remain non-existent, until all those who had received a share of the hidden Manna, will choose for themselves an obedient servant to “Who They Are,” in which human physical host bodies, they will be reborn on earth, and then, when they are united as one in spirit/mind, He our Lord, will live again and for one thousand years, the day that he had fixed, he will judge the whole world with Justice from his resurrected body.


Quote AKA; but oh yall are quick to say He died for your sins.

Which he did.

Can we say hypocrits?

You can say whatever you like matey, you’ve been wrong all through this thread, why change now?

Quote AKA; Yall do the same thing when other people die. Oh yall say so and so died, but in the same breath will say "oh but i know so and so is watching me from heaven". HYPOCRITS

There you go, you’ve said it, and like I said, why stop showing your ignorance at this late stage of the debate.


Quote AKA; Another thing i would like to see a chapter and verse on. Good luck. If you cant find [and you wont] then someone is speaking unscriptural heresy.

You are referring here to the eighth day or the eighth eternal heaven, which Enoch refers to as the generation of light, There are a few chapters in different books, which I haven’t the time right now to attempt to find, but I Have already given you chapter and verse which I now repeat, and it can be found in the book of The Secrets of Enoch chapter 22; God says to Enoch, “And I appointed an eighth day also that it should be the first-created after my works, and the first seven revolve in the form of seven thousand, and that at the beginning of the eighth thousand there should be a time of not counting, endless, with neither years, months, weeks, days or hours.

Enoch refers to the eighth generation of the Universe as a world of Light in other verses also, and here is one, from the Book of Enoch the Prophet, 108: 11-13; “And now I will summon the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved My holy name, and I will seat each on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number.”

But you wouldn’t believe that would you matey, because it doesn’t come from those scraps of scripture, which are the only scraps that you are permitted to feed from. It’s no wonder that your Spirit/mind is so stunted and malformed, get yourself onto a more balanced diet matey. Continued

 

[S-word]

Response to Post # 66 from AKA.

Quote AKA; The more and more you write the more and more unscriptural heresy comes out. Just show me where reincarnation fits with this

I already have.

Quote AKA; Heb 9:27 -And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this {comes} judgment,

According to your definition of death, the death of the body was the judgement, if, as you seem to believe, death is a state of total oblivion from which there is no return, then what use is a judgment after death when there is nothing left to judge. Wake up to yourself matey. The Logos which is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universe and all therein, is the activating force within your body to which all the information and experiences that is taken in through that body, which the Logos has become in his eternal process of life and growth/evolution, and after your body has returned to the universal elements , which universal body, the Logos/God has spread out as a tent in which to dwell, all that remains of your earthly existence, is the facsimile/shadow of you that is imprinted upon the eternal life force, which can be resurrected back to life or wiped from the eternal soul.

Quote AKA; Ah you may think you have scriptural support for this but it takes a higher understanding to know what those verses mean.

Yea, like your higher understanding, Hey?

Quote AKA; And since you apparently dont know the scriptures, Gods plan and the meaning of this life, you wont understand those scriptures either.

Keep rabbiting one buddy, you might eventually convince yourself that you understand the scriptures, you’ll never convince anyone else, but you might possibly convince yourself.

Quote AKA; Simply understanding of the words "learn" should let you know if what we learn in this life will be wiped away.

Fear not man, who can kill your body but then, can do more to “YOU”. What is it scripture here saying to you? “You,” the mind/spirit, who still exist after the death of your body, cannot be harmed by man. But fear He, who can divide the spirit/mind (That is “YOU&#8217 from the soul which is the eternal evolving Logos, who is the divine animating principle or life force that pervades the entire universe and all therein.

Quote AKA; Oh what was i thinking. I thought it said "My God, my God" not my enoch, my enoch. Unbelievable.

Ah! One day, if it is repeated enough times it might just begin to sink into that head of yours. The man Enoch was the only person redeemed from the previous world as spoken of in 2nd peter 3: 5; “They purposely ignore the fact that long ago God (Not Jesus) gave a command, and the heavens and earth (Of the sixth generation of the universe) were created. The earth was formed out of water and by water, and it was also by water, the water of the flood, that the old world was destroyed. But the heavens and the earth that now exist (Which is the seventh generation of the universe) are being preserved by the same command of God, in order to be destroyed by fire etc.

Enoch the supreme personality of godhead that was chosen from the lower world, is the Lord and ancestral Father in this world that is reserved up against the day when fire will destroy every physical observer on this earth and these heavens will disappear.

I have said over and over again, that the man Enoch was the first spirit to be gathered in the creation of the “Son of Man,” who Is born into the eighth and eternal generation of the universe as the brilliant simulacrum/blueprint of the new species on earth that evolves from mankind. And the Godhead of that brilliant enclosure of spirits that were gathered from the body of mankind, is the sacrificial Lamb of God, to who all the sins of mankind are ascribed, and he, the spirit that had developed within the body of mankind by the gathering to himself of all the spirits of man, dies in the process of involution, in order to be the saviour of we, who are in the process of evolution.

It was the “Son of Man,” the Most high in the creation, who came down and was chosen by Abraham as his God, to whom the “Son of Man” said, “In blessing, I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply you.” Enoch, was the only man from the previous world, who has never experienced death, and who was the new ancestral spirit in the body of Noah and every person who descends from him, that rose from the baptismal waters of the earth in which the old body, in which Adam was the ancestral godhead, was submerged.

And it was to the living Enoch that all the spirits of mankind were gathered in his ascension to the ends of all things in the evolution of the brilliant simulacrum, who the living spirit of Enoch had become, in which glorious simulacrum, the man Enoch was the least in the spiritual enclosure that was “The Most High” in the creation. Now surely you can understand that? Surely you do not see the first organic molecule from which you have evolved as being “Who You Are”? You may be what that first organic molecule has become, but you are not that first organic molecule, has that been able to penetrate through to that mind that has been made dull by the Lord’s messenger? Can you now see this truth through those eyes that were made blind by the messenger of the Lord? Can you hear what is being said through those ears that were made deaf by the Lord’s messenger?

Quote AKA; Again you might as well be catholic and pray to mary also. Do you understand this verse at all

Ac 4:12 - "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

What?! Didnt you just say above that He didnt die? "My lord and saviour cannot die". Oh the hypocrisy of christians. So confused so full of contradictions.

Please dont. You are so confused and deluded you dont know what is really the truth.

Why don’t you stick your head in a bucket of water mate, and try to wash the muck from your eyes and ears, perhaps that will clear your dull mind enough so that you can see, hear, and understand, what absolute rubbish you are writing here, rubbish that will treated with the contempt that it deserves.

Originally quoted by S-word; Acts, 3: 13; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who is our saviour, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus." Acts 17: 31; "For (God our saviour) has fixed a day in which he will judges the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death." But apparently there are people like you, who refuse to accept that proof.

Quote AKA; Again you quote verses that shoot you right in the foot. I will quote you again

"My lord and saviour cannot die". --S-word

Make up your mind, man.

I have matey, when He, to all the sin of mankind has been ascribed, who gave his immortal body in order that we, his chosen ones may inherit eternal life, are united as one, He in we, the risen body of the one who was anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God which shone with the brilliance of the sun, shall rule the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man (Jesus) from death.

Now to answer post #67.

 

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Just a quick comment

AMEN!!!:clap:clap.

Keep answering with scripture; that is what Jesus did.

As for this: 1. Where does Gods dwell?
2. Where is the temple of God?
3. Who and What is the temple of God?
4. Where is the heaven? [heaven through out scripture is almost always plural]

and my answer: 1. God dwells in Heaven and with His elect.
2. The only temple of God is in Heaven.
3. The elect are His temple on earth and there is a spiritual temple in Heaven
4. It is at the center of the space time continuum but outside of time itself

1. Mt 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. John 14:20 In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
2. Ps 11:4 Jehovah is in his holy temple; Jehovah, his throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. This is also experiential on my part having been in His temple in Heaven. (Not reasoning as you have assumed)
3. 1Co 6:19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;
That the temple in Heaven is a spiritual temple comes from what God has shown me about Heaven not reasoning.
4. This also comes from what GOd has told me not from reasoning.

Heavens usually is a reference to the stars and the sky. Heaven is named such because as the place where God resides, it is in the heavens.

 

[S-word]

Response to post#67 by Aka.

That’s your problem, you don’t know who is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Yes I do, what you talking bout mate? He’s the one who has given divine glory to his servant Jesus, as seen in Acts 3: 13; He’s the one, who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18; that He would choose from among the Israelites, a man to send in his name, and to speak only those words that He, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would command his servant (Jesus) to say. And Peter, in Acts 3: 22; reveals that the man, who was chosen from among the Israelites by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, was Jesus. He’s the one who raised Jesus from death and will also raise all those who are united to his servant Jesus, to who he has given divine glory and who is now incontestably divine.

Quote AKA; scripture after scripture I have proved this in other threads that Jesus is the God of the OT. Paul, Peter, James, John, Mark, Luke etc etc and most importantly Jesus says this yet all you who claim to be “knowledgable” are made stupid

All that you have proved my dear friend, is that people like yourself, who attempt to reveal, where in scripture, is hidden the key to the doorway into eternal life without the guidance of the spirit that Jesus sent into the world after he was placed in the throne of Our Father, are made to wallow in the muck that their own ignorance creates.

Quote AKA; Rom 1:21 but vain were they made in their reasonings, and darkened is their unintelligent heart.

And to what depths of darkness have you sunk , my friend?

Quote AKA; 22 Alleging themselves to be wise, they are made stupid,

And this stupidity you reveal to all those who read your words in this thread.

Quote AKA; Instead of showing you and everyone else again like I have in the other threads who Jesus is and who is the Father, with all your ramblings I can destroy your whole argument with one of many like verses and ask one question. The verse

Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has unfolded {Him.}

And this “The Son of Man,” the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who is the Only Begotten Son of God, has done through his obedient servant Jesus.

Oh another one to cover if anyone has ever heard God either
Joh 5:37 - And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Correct! The only one to have ever seen and heard God, was He, who was translated from a human physical body into a spiritual angelic body, and has ascended to the ends of space and time. He, the Son of Mankind, which body is the bride of the most high, was He, who came down and chose the man Jesus as the first fruits to be risen from his dead past, through whom he revealed to the world, his perfected nature, and the great sacrifice that he would make for the body in which he had developed. When He, the anointed one, was about to come into the world, he said to his God, “Sacrifices and offerings you never asked for, but a body you have prepared for me, which human body, was that of the man Jesus his faithful and obedient servant.

Quote AKA; Now with those two verses setting a principle, maybe God will give you eyes to see when asked this question. If no man has seen or heard God at anytime, then who is the one talking to all those people in the OT and the one some seen back in the OT i.e. Moses.

Do you mean the one who said, in Psalms 51: 5; “Behold I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me?” “The Son of Man.” The spirit that develops within the sinful body of mankind, which is the pregnant androgynous body of Eve, who is to die at the close of the seventh day, six days after the day in which her lord Adam had died, at the age of 930.

Quote AKA; Oh since im nice I will throw in another little help. These verses are talking about God the Father who is invisible and cannot be seen or heard which is stated throughout scripture.

That’s why He, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the "Son of Man, who is egual to his God , but refused to claim equality, had to use a human host body to reveal himself to us, and through which host human body, we could hear his words. For to see Jesus the physical image of our invisible Father/Son, is to see our Father, and to hear the words spoken by Jesus, is to hear the words that our Father/Son commanded his obedient servant to say.

Originally Posted by S-word; Peter confirms that Jesus was that man as is revealed in his reference to Jesus in Acts 3: 19-22; “ Repent then and turn to God (Not Jesus), so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He (The Lord God our saviour) will send Jesus. Who is the Messiah that He (The Lord) has already chosen for you. Who will send Jesus as the chosen Messiah? The Lord God our saviour of course.

Gosh if you only knew the scriptures then you would know how many scriptures you need to throw out to make your theology work. How many scriptures from Genesis to Revelation do you just disregard or as written by Isaiah DESPISE to make it work? What does Jesus say who was given power and authority to forgive sins? Who does Jesus say to turn to for forgiveness? Who is the one Jesus said the many will come to in that day and that person will to them “I never knew you, depart from me?” Who is the one who said He was the I AM and the mob of people fell back when He said this? Who judges the world in righteousness? Do you say Jesus is? Do you say God is? Well if you cant put 2 and 2 together then by gosh I don’t know what can help you. Who was the Rock that the Israelites followed? Read the scriptures and stop being stiff-necked.

All the above, are but the words of the Lord our saviour as spoken through the mouth of his obedient servant, who came in the name of “I Am”, and who spoke in the name of, “Who I Am,” who Is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who chose the man Jesus from among the Israelites and sent him in his Name, “Who I Am,” to speak In the name of “I Am.” Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord, and all glory to He, our Father, and saviour, who sent him. "Our Father who art in heaven." Continued.

 

[S-word]

Response to post #67 from Aka

Originally Quoted by S-word; Please Note the word chosen as we will see this word used many times in reference to the man Jesus, who was given divine glory by our saviour, “Who I Am,” the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and who is now incontestably divine, and has been taken to heaven, in reference to the man Jesus;

Quote Aka; Your mind is in all confusion. You quote the same verses that prove Jesus is the God of the OT and yet you can even see it right in front of your face. You just stated that “who I AM” is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and was taken back into heaven

I have said that the only exception of all mankind to have ascended to heaven and be anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God, which shone with the brilliance of the sun, where his physical human body was translated to a brilliant angelic body of Light, was the anointed one who came down, and descended in the form of a dove upon the head of the body that his God had prepared for him, which was the man Jesus.

Quote Aka; and Jesus is the ONLY one who has ascended to heaven and you still don’t see it. Unbelievable.

No matey, Jesus has ascended to heaven where he now sits in the throne of He, who came down to pay the penalty for the sins of the body in which he had developed, and who revealed himself to us through his human host body, the man, Jesus of Nazareth.

Originally Quoted by S-word; Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, The God of our ancestors"? No! They certainly did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the crowd who surrounded him, cried out, "Blessed is he, who comes in the name of the Lord." Verifying that they believed Jesus, to be the man that God had prophesied in Deuteronomy 18: 18; that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people, to speak in his name.


Oh ye of little faith! This same people who Jesus said had little faith, who didn’t understand the parables, who didn’t know that the very Messiah they waited to come and they crucified was the very one who said in the OT “I will come”. Oh but you don’t believe the scriptures that say this also.

Oh but I do, and he came and revealed himself in his human host body, which was the man Jesus who did and spoke only what the Lord God our Saviour commanded him.

Are you that blind, deaf, and dull of mind, that you do not understand that those were the words of the God of our ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who gave his name to Moses as “Who I Am,” and who chose the young Israelite Jesus, as the one, who He would send In His name, to Speak in his name. The man Jesus, who was obedient to his indwelling Father, and who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only those words of our Lord and saviour that he was commanded to say?

Do you not understand that the God of our ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus, who is the first fruits to be harvested from the body of mankind in the creation of the new and more glorious Temple of God, which is not made by hands, in which Temple, Jesus, who is now incontestably divine is the corner stone, to the Temple in which the lord God our Saviour will dwell on earth among mankind.

Originally quoted by S-word; Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death. Did you notice that word “Chosen” again?

Duh. Who has the Father chosen to be the judge of the world? The Lord God. What did Jesus say again

Who was the man that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has risen from death?

Mt 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto ME, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to ME in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

These are the words of the Lord God our saviour, as spoken through the mouth of his obedient servant, the man Jesus, who he chose from among the Israelites and sent him in his name, to speak in the name of the Lord God our Saviour. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord, and blessed be the Lord our God and Saviour who works through his servant Jesus, who is the only source through which we can receive the Salvation of our Father, who is the Father of Jesus.

Now 1 (God, the Lord) plus 1 (say unto ME, LORD LORD) EQUALS what? Its not that hard now. Heres another 1 ( the Saviour/Judge of the world is God) plus 1 (Acts 17:31 For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. Verse completed by S-word; He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death) equals….. Whew, even my 6 year old could figure this out.

I’m sure he/she could, once it has been explained to him/her that nothing said by Jesus were his words. Although it appears to be beyond your ability to figure out.

 

[S-word]

Response to Post #68 by AKA.

Originally posted by S-word; Hebrew 5: 7-10; “In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him. (God heard the young man Jesus who was afraid of death, not because, as you falsely claim, that he was his first born son, but because of his Godly fear, or as other translations put it, ‘because of his humility and devotion.’) But even though he was A son of God, (Not God’s Son, or THE son of God, but A son of God, check it out in the Appendix of Strong’s Concordance, or The King James, Amplified, or The Revised Standard translations. All Israelites are sons of God according to God’s word, see Psalms 82: 6; ‘You are gods,’ I said; ‘all of you are sons of the Most High.’) he learned through suffering to be obedient, when he was made perfect (through his obedience, and could then be used as the host body through which our Lord and saviour “Who I Am,” could then revealed himself through the life, the miracles and the words that would be seen through his obedient servant and earthy image, who did, nor spoke one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded by the Lord our saviour.) he became the source through whom salvation could be gained from our Lord God and saviour, who rose Jesus from death and will raise we, who are united to him also.


Quote AKA; Oh so you still just throw out the verse from Revelation that shows that He was distinct from the other “sons of God” and that He was THE FIRST, THE BEGINNING OF ALL OF GODS [THE FATHER] CREATION as if it has no bearing and isn’t a universal truth like “God is love”. “Consider themselves to be wise they are made stupid in their reasonings”. Oh btw, since I showed you that verse are you still believing that satan was the first of Gods creation and making him an “angel of light” like his ministers [and to think it’s the Christians who do this more than any other religion]


Originally posted by S-word; It was then, after he had become perfect through his obedience to his indwelling ancestral spirit, that God declared him to be high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek,

Quote AKA; Oh what happened to Enoch here as you praise him?

S-words response; Enoch/Jesus is praised by all who cry out “Blessed be He who comes in the name of the Lord God our saviour, who is the brilliant simulacrum in the eighth eternal heaven, of who the man Enoch was the first human whose living spirit was gathered to that brilliant spiritual enclosure.

Originally posted by S-word; but Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of being high priest, instead, God made him high priest with these words “TODAY, I have become your Father.” See Hebrew 5: 5.
When was Jesus chosen as the heir to our indwelling ancestral spirit, "Enoch"? When he was made perfect through his sufferings, and had learnt to be obedient to no other God than "who I Am," or speaking in the second person, "Who He Was."

Quote AKA; Ah another false Christian doctrine [this one is catholic I believe] you are parroting although in a little different way, the immaculate conception as if Jesus was first created at marys birth. Unbelievable. “Those who have eyes to see”

S-words response; Has anyone ever heard such an idiot statement as the above? At Marys birth, the early stage of the egg that would become the man Jesus, may have been in the body of the baby girl Mary, who was a descendant of Adam, but it would not be until Mary had reached maturity, that the egg that would be fertilised by the semen of her half brother, ‘Joseph the Levite,’ who was the son of Heli, who had also sired Mary, would begin to develop within her womb, to be finally born as the human being “Jesus,” who was a descendant of Adam and Eve.

And can anyone please explain to me, how the fact, that the man Jesus, who, after learning to be obedient and being brought to perfection through suffering and was then declared by the Lord God our saviour, to be high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek, with these words, “TODAY, I have become your Father,” can in any possible way whatsoever, be associated with the catholics false conception of the immaculate virgin conception, of Jesus?

Originally posted by S-word; Do you realise, that there are people out there who claim to have read the Bible, and know that Jesus said many times, that the miracles and the words he spoke were not his, but those of his/our Father with who he was one, “Who through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by the Lord our saviour, cried out “Father! Give me glory now, the same glory I had with you before this world was made,” You wouldn’t credit it would you, how ignorant can some people be?

Quote AKA; Yes I know this, but its these same people who don’t believe the same thing was done through His apostles and prophets too.

S-words response; So what are you doing here? You are saying that Jesus the physical manifestation of our indwelling Father, is no more important than any of the prophets or the apostles, who bow to the name of Jesus as I do, as our king and high priest, but we do not worship him.

Quote AKA; Do you realize that by these people doing “this”

S-words response; By “THIS,” you are referring to those people, who refuse to acknowledge that every word spoken by Jesus after he was born of the spirit of our Lord and saviour, which had descended upon him in the form of a dove, were not his words, but the words of our Lord and saviour, of which people, you are one, as can be seen in your previous posts.

Quote AKA; they try there best to use it to support their myth of freewill also? If our Lord and Saviour who is to be our example had no freewill why in the heck would one believe that they would have it?

S-words response; Irrelevant as to what those other people whose erroneous concept is that the words of Jesus were actually his own words. Those people who refuse to acknowledge that the words spoken through the mouth of Jesus were not his, but were the words of our Lord and saviour, who is The glorious simulacrum or blue-print of the New species that comes from Man, which new species, will dwell on earth among a new and humble race of mankind, you, have stated in earlier posts that Jesus himself was our Lord and saviour and the words he spoke were his own actual words, and you now state that our Lord and saviour (who spoke through his obedient servant Jesus,) did not have freewill. You are so confused, that you don’t even know, for what reason you are using your erroneous concept that the words of Jesus were actually his own words.

Originally posted by S-word; People who believe that any thing that our faithful brother said, was of his own authority and were not the words of the Lord our saviour, who commanded Enoch/Jesus exactly what to say, are so confused, they don’t even know that they are confused. CONTINUED:

 

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Quote AKA; Same thing for those who don’t understand that Jesus and the Father are one in spirit

S-words Response; Something that I have borne witness to, throughout this thread. Which is the fact, that Jesus and the spirit of our ascending ancestral Father spirit “Enoch,” are one and the same being. It was the living evolving spirit in the body of mankind, to whom all the spirits of mankind ‘good and bad’ were gathered in the evolutionary process of He, who is born into the eighth eternal generation of light, in which brilliant enclosure of spirits, the spirit of the pre-flood man Enoch, was the first and the least.

It was that God, to who Abraham bowed, the one who said to Abraham, “In blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying, (producing offspring) I will multiply you.” The living indwelling ancestral Father spirit in Abraham, with who he was one, was the spirit of Enoch, which was the living spirit within the innermost sanctuary of Noah and all his descendants, and as none of the ancestors, from Abraham to Noah, had died and been gathered to the living spirit of Enoch before the birth of Abraham the 10th descendant, it was to the spirit of Enoch in the bosom of Abraham that all the spirits of Good people who fell asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price for any mistakes that they may have made in their physical existence, were gathered until the day of Jesus, who was the compilation of all those righteous spirits that had been gathered to the living spirit of Enoch in the Bosom of Abraham.

Isaiah 57: 1-2; “Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when they (Good people) die, no calamity can hurt them. Those who lead good lives find peace and rest in death,”

If good people find peace and rest in death, then it becomes obvious that those who do not lead good lives, do not find peace and rest in death, as revealed by Jesus in his parable about Lazarus and the rich man. This means that after one dies the physical death, they, the mind/spirit that remains, are judged and those who find peace and rest, and who enter into the bosom of Abraham, are obviously judged to be righteous and their blood is the ransom price that frees them from the penalty of the inherited death sentence applied to the original sin, while those who did not lead good lives and die in a state of sin, enter into a state of torment and fearful expectation of what is to occur to them.

With the death of our physical body, it is only “You” that remains, "You," the Mind/Spirit that was formed from the experiences and information taken in through the senses of that body and imprinted onto the eternal evolving life force, which is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universal body and animates all that exists. And what happens to mind, is what that mind believes will happen. Those who have lived with faith that the death of their body is not the termination of the life and spirit within their bodies, rest in the sure hope of something better, while those who neither believe that there is life beyond the death of the body and no chance of any resurrection into another physical life form, await in fearful expectation, the termination of their life, which they know for a certainty dies with the death of their body.

The ancestral Father spirit in Jesus, was the living spirit of Enoch in the bosom of Abraham to which all the spirits of the good descendants of Abraham, who had fallen asleep in righteousness had been gathered in his evolution to that point in time, and the in dwelling being, was reflected in the physical being Jesus, who was one with, and an extension of, and an obedient servant to, “Who He Was.”

Just as the living ancestral spirit in Jesus was the compilation of all the spirits that had been gathered to him, the living spirit in Abraham, so too the man Jesus, who was one with, and an extension of, and an obedient servant to “Who He Was,” was the physical representation of his indwelling Father, who is our father also.

It is by understanding the Holy Scriptures, that I have come to realise that whatever was in the being, has become “Who I Am,” and that “Who I Am” is connected to the Alpha by an unbroken genetic thread of Life. I know for an absolute certainty, that who I am, has existed from the very beginning of space and time, and that “Who I Am,” has never died and can never die, (I picked up a fossil and O --- what a buzz --- Just to think --- in my hand, was who I once was.) and as long as “I,” The mind/spirit that is developing within this body from the information and experiences that are taken in through the senses of this body of animated universal elements, remains true to, and an obedient servant to, and an extension of “Who I Am,” then I will live after the death of the body in which, “I” developed as the Son and heir to my indwelling Father “Who I Am,” and will receive the throne of my Father and have my moment in time as the Head of “Who I Am” until “I,” Who I Am, find one who is totally obedient to Who I Am, an obedient servant to, and an extension of Who I am, who I will choose as my Son and heir to sit with me in my throne of godhead, as I sit with my Father in the same throne.

Quote AKA; and that Jesus is the exact stamped copy of the Father

S-words Response; Jesus was indeed the exact stamped copy of his indwelling Father, but He, Jesus who the living spirit of Enoch in the bosom of Abraham, had become, was the obedient servant to the great simulacrum in the eighth heaven, who was the spiritual enclosure in which were all the spirits Of man, “Good and Bad,” and was the “Son of Man,” to whom all the sins of mankind are ascribed, who came down and said to Abraham, “In blessing, I will bless you, and in multiplying, I will multiply you.” And to all those who accept him, he gives to them the power to becomes the Sons of God.

Quote AKA; and that whatever Jesus said about the Father also pertains to Him and that they are not part of some stupid trinity and that the Jehovah Elohim is the just as much God as El is, that when you speak of one you speak of both of them and so on and so forth.

S-words Response; And irrelevant to your erroneous interpretation of Scripture, the words spoken through the mouth of Enoc/Jesus, were not his word, but were the words of the Son of Man, the great androgynous simulacrum in the eighth heaven, who is the first born Son of the ONE true God Almighty, to whom all the sins of the body of mankind in which he develops, are ascribed. The one who cried out through his obedient servant, Enoch who had evolved to become Jesus, "Father! Give me glory now, the same glory that I had with you before this world was made. Enoch had recorded every soul of man and the position for every soul in this world that is reserverd up against the day of fire, before this, the seventh generation of the heavens and the earth was even created.

And now to Aka's Post # 69; after which, I only have to answer Posts, 74, 75, 76, 77, 80, 81, 92,, and 83. almost there.

 

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Response to Post #69

Did I ever say this? This is absolutely true. Just because a truth is mentioned somewhere else besides the bible does not make that whole book and everything in it true.

Response by S-word; Oh. I know that mate, I have a book in front of me right now, in which it is said in Isaiah 7: 14; That a Virgin would be with child and bear a son, something that we both know is not true, and is simply yeast that has been added to the unleavened manna that came down to us from the “Son of Man who is in the eighth heaven, by the authorities of the universal church established by King Constantine in order to support the great lie that Jesus was an immortal god before he was born as a human being, upon which that church bases its entire faith, rather than a human being who becomes an immortal god.

A book in which it is said in 1st Chronicles 2; that Jesse sired seven sons, and then in 1st Samuel 17: 12; that Jesse had eight sons. A book in which it is said in Matthew 21: 12; that on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, Jesus entered the Temple and overturned the tables of all the merchants and dishonest money changers, but in mark 11: 11; it is said that on that day, he simply went into the temple and looked around at everything and as it was late in the day he returned to Bethany to the house of Simon the leper, who is Lazarus, which name means terminal, or the man with the terminal disease, who lived in Bethany, and that it was the next day in which he overturned the tables in the temple in Jerusalem. A book in which it says that Adam was created in the seventh period of universal activity, Genesis 2: 7; after having said in Genesis 1: 26; that mankind was created in the sixth period of universal activity. We could go on and on and on, about the minefield of apparent errors that is to be found in this book and if one is not guided through that minefield by He, who laid it all out in order that only those who rely on his guidance can get through it, will eventually give up.

Originally posted by S-word; Ah, how technology will advance during the thousand years of peace, The Sabbath, the seventh period of one thousand years from the day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930.

Quote AKA; Do you not know we are in the seventh day?

Response by S-word; Yep! As I have already explained.

Quote AKA; The day when God is ceasing from His work. Do I need to show you this also?

Response by S-word; No matey, you’ve shown me nothing new as yet, and I doubt that I could find among your beliefs anything new, or very much, which I would find desirable enough to eat. But that’s not to say that somewhere in that library that is You, will not be found, at least something that can be used in my spiritual growth, as I have not yet found any person, even the town drunk, who has absolutely nothing to offer, and I weep for every library that is lost to the “Son Of Man: who descends to read the story of his past.

Yes this day or should I say, this seventh generation of the universe, which is said to be about 14 billion years old at this point in time, is the day of rest. But in this day which is continually repeated within the eighth eternal day, there are many ages of mankind, each lasting a period of seven thousand years, as in the age of Cain and Able, and the age of Seth in which the Sons of God came down, when Cain the shining one, and Lord of the previous age of man, became the spiritual Father of Enoch the physical son of Jared, which name means descending, and this age, in which we are now at the close of the sixth day or sixth period of one thousand years, will see the end of this age of mankind, when, at the close, of the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, or the Day of the Lord, the expanded and pregnant body of the Eve/mother of the Son of God, in which great androgynous physical body, the spirit of (Jesus) the one chosen by the godhead to the previous age, (Enoch, who is Jesus, “The Father and the Son&#8221 is developing, and where he will remain developing in the invisible kingdom of God which co-exists within this visible kingdom of mankind, until the death of the body in which he is developing, and all those elect and chosen ones who are still living in this physical world at the sound of the last trumpet, will be translated from physical human bodies, to invisible angelic bodies and be caught up to our brother, our chosen High Priest and King.

From the Book of Enoch the Prophet, 1o4 10-13, and 105: 1-2; “And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words, and lie, and practice great deceits (These are those so-called Christians, and others who claim to be followers of Christ, who will say, ‘Lord, Lord! In your name we spoke God’s message, by your name we drove out many demons and performed many miracles.’ To who the Lord God our saviour, will say to them through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus; “I never knew you. Get away from me, you wicked people.”) and write books concerning their own words. But when they write down truthfully all my words in their languages, and do not change or minish aught from my words, but write them down truthfully----- missing------ all that I first testified concerning them.

Then, I know another mystery, that books shall be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and much wisdom. And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them, and then shall all the righteous who have learnt there from all the paths of uprightness be recompensed. In those days the Lord bade them to summon and testify to the children of the earth concerning their wisdom: Show it unto them for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. For I and My Son will be united with them for ever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace: rejoice, ye children of uprightness. Amen.

And how shall the righteous be recompensed? I’ll let Enoch explain that to you, “The Book of Enoch the Prophet” 108: 11-13; “And now I (Enoch) will summon the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who in the flesh were not recompensed with the honour that their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining Light (The translation) those who have loved MY holy name, and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number, etc.” CONTINUED:

 

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Answers to #69 continued.

Originally posted by S-word; Did you know that the twelve patriarchs of Israel recorded their last Testaments, which can be found in the Pseudipegrapha of the Old Testament? But of Course not, because your Mother, that woman who sits on seven hills and is symbolic of that great city, in which sits the head of the universal church that was established in 325 AD, by the non-christian Constantine, has forbidden you, to eat from that spiritual food, and you, her obedient servant, are obedient to her commands and will not eat of any other than the canon of food that she supplies for you, her child.

Quote AKA; Sad sad. I remember I used to believe the mantra spewing out by those false prophets of Christendom who said that it must be the catholic church. I see you still do also. Now heres some enlightment for you and maybe you will see the connection. If you want to know who, what or where is this “great city”, the answer right there in Revelation and its in this verse where the clue lies Re 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Did you catch that? Theres more clues in there. Who does God say is like or actually WORSE than Sodom, Gommorah and Egypt? Look in Ezekiel youll find your answer.

Response by S-word; Yes, there are a few great cities that are referred to in scripture. There’s Resen the great city between Calah and Nineveh, which city of Nineveh, is also referred to many times in the bible as that great city, even that exceedingly great city, Babylon is called the great city also, then there is Jerusalem the great city where Jesus was crucified, and that great city which is represented by the famous prostitute, who is drunk on the blood of saints, which city sits on seven hills (From the Greek “oros”, meaning mountains or hills) Both Rome and Jerusalem are built on seven hills or mountains. You believe that the mystical Babylon is Jerusalem, and I believe it to be Rome and with good reason, but to prove this in detail, would take too long here, but I intend to start a new thread, dealing with this subject when the wife and I return from a little holiday we have planned.

Originally posted by S-word; The only place that you find any mention of Azazel, is in the book of Enoch the Prophet from whose righteous words, the twelve patriarchs who all died in Egypt, quoted from.

Quote AKA; Yes I am aware of what the book of enoch says. But too bad you cant see where this book has so many false teachings in it

Response by S-word; It’s so sad to think that you have seen, heard, and rejected, the words that lead to eternal life. So, from where do you believe that Moses received the religious regulation of symbolically transfering the sins of Israel to the scap-goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel?

Originally posted by S-word; Now I’d like to read to you, ….

Quote AKA; Too many books man, too many books. Im not saying it wrong to research stuff and that one is to just believe blindly but one needs to have the ability to glean out the truth among such false books and papyri. But in order for one to be able to do this they must KNOW the truth first.

Response by S-word;The health fanatics watch everything they eat, and they try to determine for themselves what the spirit within, who looks after the growth, health and maintenance of their bodies, needs to accomplish those ends. I don’t, I simply eat whatever is set before me, knowing that the working spirit of God, will take that which is needed for the growth, health, and maintenance of my body and reject the rubbish.

And the same applies to those religious fanatic, who try to determine for themselves the spiritual food that is needed for the health and growth of the mind/spirit which is they. I don’t, I simply eat a well balanced diet of whatever is set before me, knowing that what is not needed for the health or continued growth of “Who I Am,” will be rejected by He, My indwelling Father, who determines who I, His Son, will be.


Now we can look at post 75 by AK4. This is starting to get boring.

 

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Preach on preacher man.


Me ignorant? Do i need to point out again your own words that directly contradicts the scriptures? What was that you said "satan was Gods first creation"? Can you get more ignorant than that?


Again

S-words Response: Here again, you show yourself to be one who alters and perverts the words of others, and such are the worst and most despicable of liars. Never have I ever said in this thread or any other thread in and other religious forum at anytime, or anywhere else, that Satan was the first of God’s creations, and nowhere will no one at no time ever find where I have said what your lying statement says that I was supposed to have said.

What I have said, was that the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of origin, which existed before Time and space, and which is the God the “Alpha,” that was spatially separated by the Big Bang, and with that singularity which is God, was the Logos, who is one with God, and the Logos is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universal body which the Alpha has become, and animates all therein, and it is the Logos who has become all that was, all that is, and all that ever will be.

I have said, that in the beginning was God, who is the Logos, and that all things that exist came into existence through the Logos, and all things that came into existence were made by the Logos, from the quantum of the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out of the Great Abyss with the Big Bang, which was the singularity that was the Logos spatially separated, and all things that have existed, that now exist, and all that will ever exist, exist for the Logos, who is ONE. He is the First and the Last, the Beginning and the end, the Alpha and the Omega, the Father and the Son, in who all exist, and all are, but the singularity that is God.

I have said, that the invisible God first made himself manifest as the visible universal body in which all the life forms within that body are animated by the Logos, and that his physical body had become so excited that the physical body in which He, the indwelling spirit, who is the Omega had evolved, burnt up and fell as fire into the great Abyss, which is the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, and that with the resurrection of that body in a different position in space time, to where the light from its previous position would one day reach. Within that new universal body would evolve the first born son of God, The supreme personality of Godhead to the universal body in which the Omega who has developed in the previous body, was the indwelling ancestral spirit. And it was that first Son of God, who threatened to usurp his Fathers heavenly throne, and place his throne above the stars of heaven, and was then cast out of the presence of God and the company of his angels.

And now ignorant people would accuse me of saying that Satan/Lucifer was the first of God’s creations.


quote=AK4; Ac 4:12 - "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Try sticking to the scriptures and not these other books and you might stand a chance. Oh let me teach you a principle that almost all christians DONT BELIEVE as we go into this

S-words Response: The Son of Man, who in our future evolves from the living spirit of Enoch in Noah, to which all the spirits of mankind, good and bad, are gathered in his ascent to the highest heaven in which God dwells, had said, to Abraham, “In blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying, I will multiply you.” in Abraham, was the living spirit of Enoch, who evolved to become Jesus by the gathering into the bosom of Abraham, all the spirits of his good descendants, who had fallen asleep in righteousness, in who and through who, the first born Son of God, who was the Son that is born of the sinful body of mankind, revealed himself to the world, and revealed the great sacrifice He makes for the physical body in which he develops. And He, Enoch who had become Jesus, the earthly image of God’s only begotten Son, who is the “Son of Man,” “Who I Am;” had to be lifted up in the same manner that Moses lifted up the image of the serpent in the desert, in order that all who turned to the image of the serpent that had been lifted up, might be saved.

After the man Jesus had learnt through much suffering to become obedient to his indwelling ancestral spirit, who was at that point in time, the compilation of the spiritual enclosure that had been gathered to the bosom of Abraham, in who, the original spirit of the living Enoch dwelt and who would, in the far distant future become the Son of Man, He, Jesus, then became the source of salvation to all those who obey him as promised by our Lord God and saviour, "Who I Am," who sent Jesus in his name, to speak in his name. “The Source” to our Lord God and saviour, the only begotten Son of God, who would evolve from the living spirit of Enoch, much the same as you have evolved from the first living human ancestor that crawled out of the primeval slime of the earth.

quote=AK4; Okay lets put to bed all the enoch worship you are doing. Because its just ridiculous. THESE ARE THE VERY WORDS OF CHRIST

S-words Response: I have never and will never worship the two men, Enoch and Jesus , as I have already explained and do so again below.

quote=AK4; And NO MAN [pay close attention to the phrase "no man," seeing that Enoch WAS A MAN] has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the SON OF MAN which is in heaven" (John 3:13).

S-words Response: And you think that what is said here is, "No man has ever ascended to heaven, but an immortal god has come down. Are you that ignorant? "

quote=AK4; Now is Christ a liar?

S-words Response: Of course not, any intelligent person can understand that what was said through the man Jesus, was, “And no man has ascended to heaven, but or except,” and who was that exception? it was he who came down, so what has been said here is, He who came down is the only exception of all mankind to has ascended to the eighth eternal heaven of Light.

quote=AK4; Alright then. Now point number two

"ALL THESE DIED [including Enoch,

S-words Response: Death had no power over Enoch who had become Jesus, Don’t you know that?

John 14: 30; "I cannot talk to you much longer, because (Death) the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me, but the world must know that I love the Father, that is why I do everything he commands me." CONTINUED:

 

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quote=AK4; verses 5-6, and Elijah, who was one of the "prophets," vese 32] in faith, NOT having received the promises..." (Heb. 11:13).

"ALL THESE DIED: S-words Response: All those who have died have not received the promise, But Enoch, the only man who was redeemed from the sixth generation of the universe, by the ransom blood of righteous Abel, which blood could redeem but one man, was translated when he was taken to heaven where he was anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God which shone with the brilliance of the Sun, and behold, he was as one of the glorious beings who surrounded the throne of the Most High, and this is the promise that is given to all on this, the seventh heaven, which none, except for Jesus, who was the compilation of the spirit of Enoch in Abraham into whose bosom or inner most sanctuary, all the spirits of good people who had fallen asleep in righteousness were gathered. And Jesus/Enoch who was the compilation of all those spirits, was the first fruits to be harvested from this, the seventh world, and the first to inherit the glorious body of Light as seen when he appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus, which is the hope that we have, who unite ourselves to Jesus.

quote=AK4; Now listen carefully. All your statements about Enoch is contradicting at least these two scriptures

S-words Response: No they don’t mate; all that they contradict is your erroneous interpretation of those scriptures.


quote=AK4; and theres more. But the point being is do you remember that principle i showed you "God who does not lie"? Now either the scriptures are true

S-words Response: The scriptures are true, It’s your ignorant and erroneous interpretation of those scriptures, which shows you, and not the Lord God our saviour, to be the liar.

quote=AK4; and whatever you are getting from the book of enoch is false

S-words Response: Everything in the Books of Enoch is the truth

quote=AK4; or they both are false because they contradict each other.

S-words Response: There is no contradiction between the words of Enoch, who is the author of the books of your bible also, which where his words recorded by men who were under the control of our indwelling ancestral spirit who had ascended to the end of all things and who recorded every soul who would ever be born in this, the seventh generation of the universe, before they were even created.

quote=AK4; Now please, tuck the covers over your enoch worship and turn off the lights because there is no truth in what you present here.

S-words Response: I worship neither Jesus the son, or Enoch the Father, but the Logos, who Is God, who is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universal body and animates all therein. The Logos, who is the life force of the universal body, through who all things came into existence, by whom all things that were made, were made, and for whom, all things that were, that are, and every will be, exist. I worship only He, who was in the evolving Alpha to whom all my pre-human ancestors were gathered, before the living spirit of Enoch, and who has become “Who I Am,” who is connected to the singularity of origin by an unbroken genetic thread of life. It is He, and He alone, to who I give all honour and praise. My God, who you do not know, and who knows not you. He, who says through his only begotten prophet, Enoch/Jesus, “I never knew you. Get away from me you wicked people.”

quote=AK4; Now again i have shown you contradicting scripture. First the satan thing and now Enoch ascending to heaven, still alive and being in heaven.

S-words Response: Lucifer the Light bearer, the bright morning star, is the only begotten son of God in whom are all the spirits of all that has ever lived, and after releasing the spirits of the good descendants of Noah, within that great simulacrum, those who are to enter the eighth eternal day of unapproachable Light, He, in who are those spirit which have not been accepted, are cast back into the refining fires of the next cycle of physical universal activity, which seven worlds revolve as one period eternally, as the seventh, within the eighth boundless day, in which there are neither years, months, weeks, days or hours, for all time shall be stuck together in one aeon, and all who enter therein will know eternal joy and peace.

quote=AK4; Out of your own mouth you recognised that Jesus didnt say anything on His own

S-words Response: Yes, something that you have denied up until now.

quote=AK4; yet to keep your "idol of the heart" of this enoch teaching you will "DESPISE MY WORD"

S-words Response: I have not despised “YOUR WORDS,” but I have denied, ever since this debate began, that your words even come close to the truth.

quote=AK4; when Jesus Himself says And NO MAN [pay close attention to the phrase "no man," seeing that Enoch WAS A MAN] has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the SON OF MAN which is in heaven" (John 3:13).

S-words Response: For God cursed neither man, nor the creation, but ignorance and ignorance alone. “And no man has ascended to heaven but He: But who? But He who was to later come down.” For the first shall be Last and the last shall be first. The only exception of all mankind to have ascended to heaven was the least of all the intellectual spirits in the great simulacrum, who came down, to be the first man to receive the promise of eternal life.

From the “Book of Enoch the Prophet” 37: 4; “Til the present day such wisdom has never been given by the Lord of Spirits as I have received according to the good pleasure of the Lord of spirits by whom the Lot of eternal life has been given me.”

 

[AK4]

Just a quick comment



Keep answering with scripture; that is what Jesus did.

As for this: 1. Where does Gods dwell?
2. Where is the temple of God?
3. Who and What is the temple of God?
4. Where is the heaven? [heaven through out scripture is almost always plural]

and my answer: 1. God dwells in Heaven and with His elect. Not what you been taught. Now what does the scripture say


1Co 3:16 - [In Context|Read Chapter|Original Greek] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


1Co 6:19 - [In Context|Read Chapter|Original Greek] What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2. The only temple of God is in Heaven. Now go back to response 1
3. The elect are His temple on earth and there is a spiritual temple in Heaven Yes "the meek/elect shall inherit THE EARTH". [No rapture out of tribulation away/from the earth]
4. It is at the center of the space time continuum but outside of time itself. Now back to response 1 and 3. Are you outside of time?

My response is in red

 

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S-words Response to post 80, I may have missed 79, I'll have to check.

Okay so now you call that scripture false.

S-words Response; I’ve never said that the scriptures are false, but only that your interpretation of scripture is false.


quote=AK4; Well what can i say then to someone who doesnt even believe the scriptures.

S-words Response; Oh, I believe the Holy Scriptures alright matey, it’s only your false erroneous interpretation of those scriptures that I don’t believe.

quote=AK4; Did i ever say that Jesus was firstborn 2000 yrs ago?

S-words Response; Nope! According to your erroneous interpretation of God’s word, you have stated; quote AK4; “it is said in the scriptures that God created Jesus and Jesus created everything else by the Father and since He had this glory BEFORE the world was and the book of the life of the Lamb was written before the world was.” Which is a load of Crock.

S-words Response; You refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, as John warned us that the deceivers would do, see 1st John 4: 1-3; and 2nd John verse 7. You are trying to deceive everyone as your spiritual fathers had, into believing that the immortal spiritual Son of God came down and entered the womb of some woman who was not of the seed of Adam, where his Father God created for him a body, which also was not of the seed of Adam, for if He was, Irrelevant as to whether he lived a perfect life, his death could only pay the death penalty for the inherited sin of Adam, but it was not his death that pays the ransom for the body of mankind, but the death of the living spirit, who, in the body of mankind had evolved to be the Son of Man, in whom were the spirits of all mankind on which he had evolved, of which enclosure of spirits he was their compilation, and he was the only one who could pay the penalty for their sins.

The Book of life, was written by the heavenly Enoch, in which he recorded the names of every soul who would ever live in the post flood world, and the positions for each and every soul into all eternity, for all souls are prepared to eternity. And their names were recorded by Enoch before they were even created.

I am presuming that you erroneously believe, as do the children of the universal church of King Constantine, that the man Jesus was the “Logos,” who, was in the Beginning, with the singularity of origin who is God the “Alpha,” and was the animating life force of God the singularity of origin, which animating principle was that which caused the Big Bang that tore the singularity asunder for the creation of this universe. And it was through the Logos that all things came into existence, and it was by the logos that all things in existence were made, and without him was not anything made that was made, and it is for the Logos/singularity that all things exist. The man Jesus is not the Logos, through whom all things (including the man Jesus) exist, by whom all things (Including the man Jesus) exist, and for whom all things, (Including the man Jesus) exist.

quote=AK4; Did i ever say that Jesus was firstborn 2000 yrs ago?

S-words Response; No you didn’t, it was I, who said that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, said to the man Jesus 2,000 years ago, “Today I have become your Father.” The God of our ancestors, who is the Son of Man, who is born in our future with the death of the physical body in which he develops/evolves, by the gathering of all the spirits that are formed in the bodies of all the descendants of Noah, to the living spirit of Enoch, who was the only man to have been redeemed from the previous world, and who was the great grandfather of Noah, (Geneticists take note) who was carried to heaven, where he was anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God, which shone with the brilliance of the sun, and the 365 year old Enoch, (The number of days in a calendar year the Lamb of God) was translated from a physical being to a spiritual angelic being.

It is I who said, that Jesus was correct when he said that the one who came down from heaven, was the only exception of all mankind to have ever ascended to the eighth eternal generation of the heavens, and it was He, through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus who spoke not one word on his own authority but only that which he was commanded to say by “Who I Am,” the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who said, “Before Abraham was, I am.” and who also said through his obedient servant Jesus, "Father give me glory now, the same glory that I had with you before this world was made." Jesus, who Enoch, the living ancestral spirit in the bosom of Abraham, had become, and who was the earthly image of the first born son of God, was lifted up upon a stake in the same manner that Moses lifted up the image of the serpent in the wilderness in order that all who were dying because of the poison of the serpent only had to turn to the image of the serpent who had been lifted up to be saved. Do you think that God is powerless to save his only begotten son who was cast out of his presence and the company of the angels?

I walk with and I talk with an angel
He picks me up each time I hit the ground
He's one who knows and understands my heatache
For Just like me, He himself had fallen down
But like the serpent Moses lifted in the desert
He himself was lifted up upon a tree
Now he sits beside his Father in God's Kingdom
Where he intercedes with God for fools like me....By S-word.

The Son of Man, who was the indwelling living ancestral spirit of Enoch in the body of Noah and all his descendants, to which living ancestral spirit, all of the spirits of the dead descendants of Noah the shining one, were gathered, as He, the living spirit, developed/evolved within the body of mankind on those gathered spirits, to be born into the invisible spiritual realm with the death of the physical body of mankind in which he evolves as the Son of Man. And much the same as you have evolved from the first ancestor of mankind, which crawled out of the primeval slime of the earth, are not that piece of slime, likewise, the Great heaventy simulacrum or blueprint of the new species on this earth that evolves from the body of mankind, "The Son of Man," is not the man Enoch.

It was the Son of man, to whom all the sins of the physical body in which he developed, have been ascribed, and it was He who descended through time, where, from the invisible kingdom that co-exists within this physical three dimensional world, He, who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who gave His name to Moses as “I am Who I Am,” promised Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18; that he would choose a man from among the Israelites, who He would send in his Name, “Who I Am,” to speak in His name. In Acts 3: 22; Peter confirmed that the man who God chose from among the Israelites, was Jesus the son of Mary and her half brother Joseph the Levite from Cyprus, who were both sired by the one father "Heli," from the tribe of Levi, as were Abraham and Sarah, both sired by the one father ‘Terah,’ and who were the parents of Isaac, the prototype of Jesus, who, like Jesus was born of God’s promise, according to the workings of the Holy Spirit. And the people of his day accepted Jesus as the promised one when they cried out, “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”

As not one of the ten ancestors of Abraham, from Noah to Terah his father, had died and been gathered to the living indwelling spirit of Enoch, before the birth of Abraham, who was true to “Who I Am,” or “Who He Was,” He was chosen by the Son of Man, who had evolved from the spirits from the line of Ham, the first born of Noah, chose Abraham, who was one with his living indwelling spirit Enoch, who was of the line of Shem, the second born of Noah, from who he would multiply and bear his Sons, the Sons of the God of our ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who are the brothers to Jesus, the first born of many brothers.

 

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quote=AK4; Does the scriptures even teach such a thing? NO. "Give me back the glory I had BEFORE the world was" "the BEGINNING of Gods creation" "the FIRSTFRUIT" "the FIRST and the Last" "ALPHA and Omega" "the BEGINNING and end" "BEFORE Abraham was I AM" "made A LITTLE WHILE LOWER than the angels" "He EMPTIED Himself" "I CAME OUT FROM GOD [not mary]" etc etc etc. What dont you understand here? Yet you still had the audacity to say satan was the firstborn and then i believe you said enoch was before Jesus also. Gimme a break

S-words Response; Just nominate where in your body that you want the break and it will happen as you have requested.

quote=AK4; Show me a chapter and verse that explicitly says this only happened when He came to earth. I wont hold my breath

S-words Response; I am presuming that you are referring to the time that Our Lord God and saviour, the Son of Man, who is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to who, the young man Jesus, in his life on earth, see Hebrew 5: 7; made his prayers and requests with Loud cries and tears, knowing that he was the only one who could save him from death. And because he was humble and devoted, God heard him, Even though he was an Israelite, and therefore, a son of God, ( see Psalms 82: 6; “You are gods.” I said, “All of you are sons of the Most High.&#8221 he still had to learn obedience to “Who I Am,” or “Who He Was.” And it was after he had become obedient and would do and say only that which he was commanded, that God made him high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek, and Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of high priest, instead, after he had been made perfect as the body that God had prepared for his Son, The Lord made him high priest with these words, “You are my Son, today I have become your Father.” See Hebrew 5: 5-6.

S-words Response; This was before he was given divine glory by the God of our ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and is now incontestably divine.

quote=AK4; Please show me where it says that TODAY was the day after His death and resurrection when this was said.

S-words Response; There you go again altering and perverting the words that I have given to you, nowhere did I say that it was after his death and resurrection that the Lord God our saviour said to Jesus, “Today I have become your father.” It was after he had learnt to be obedient that he became the chosen heir to the throne of our Lord. And when was that? It was when he was born of God's spirit, which descended upon him in the form of a dove and the voice was heard to say, “You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, today I have become your Father” see the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22. Before leading him into the wilderness where he tempted Jesus for forty days.

quote=AK4; Now since it is said in the scriptures that God created Jesus and Jesus created everything else by the Father

S-words Response; No where will you find that said in scripture, again you are altering and perverting the words of the Lord.

quote=AK4; and since He had this glory BEFORE the world was

S-words Response; You are speaking here of our Lord God and saviour, who spoke those words through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, who he chose from among the Israelites and sent in his name to speak in his name, and who spoke only what the Lord commanded him to say, which words, were those of the Lord God our saviour.

quote=AK4; and the book of the life of the Lamb was written before the world was,

S-words Response; And the one year old sacrificial lamb of God is seen in Enoch who was 365 years old, (The number of days in a calendar year) when he was translated and carried to stand before the face of the Most High into all eternity, and it was he who wrote 366 books, which included the Book of life, in which was recorded the souls of every person who would ever live in this the post flood world, which has been reserved uo against the day when the heaven will burn, before any of us were ever created.

quote=AK4; with the brain God gave you can you place this "today" 2000yrs ago? And for that where does that place your god enoch?

S-words Response; With the wonderful brain, and the wisdom and knowledge that the Lord has given me, I have already shown you where, in the words of my God, who is both our Father and our son, 2,000 years ago, declared Enoch/Jesus to be his heir and successor.

quote=AK4; Talk about grasping for straws AND not PAYING ATTENTION TO ALL THE WORDS. Now, what did you miss in that verse "the faithful and True Witness". Now this shouldnt be hard. Who does the scriptures say is the only who never sinned and is always faithful?

S-words Response; Jesus, who was obedient to and one with his indwelling ancestral spirit who was Enoch the compilation of all the righteous spirits that had been gathered to Enoch in the bosom of Abraham, did not sin like Adam, the first man, in who the indwelling ancestral spirit was the compilation of all the pre-human animal ancestors of man, and Adam's sin was his refusal to obey the animalistic nature that dwelt within him.

quote=AK4; Who does it say is the True Witness? Who is Antipas? What does Antipas mean? Find these out and you will have your Amen.

S-words Response; Antipas was a true and faithful witness to the life, the death, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus, who was the first to be raised from the dead past of our Lord God and saviour, the Son of man, and Antipas was martyred in Pergamos where the Temple of Zeus stood. Why did you ask that question?

quote=AK4; Again, when one has eyes to see they can see the false christian doctrines in the words that people say.

S-words Response; Yes, with that I agree, especially those who refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, born of human parents, who, after he had learnt to be obedient to “Who I Am,” was declared to be a Son of God, when he was born of the spirit that descended upon him in the form of a dove and said to him, “You are my Son, Today I have become your Father.” And would attempt to deceive the world into believing that he was the immortal Logos, by saying that Jesus came down from God with whom he was one, and entered the womb of some supposed virgin, where his Father apparently formed a body for him which was not of the seed of Adam from who all human being are descended.

quote=AK4; In this case we have the false doctrine of lucifer and his fall which in turn produced the doctrine of freewill.

S-words Response; The angel Lucifer was cast out of the heaven of the seven heavens, into the sixth heaven to where Adam and Eve were also sent, where they were given coverings of animal skin, hair, muscles and nerves etc. And you do have freewill, you can do, and you will do, and you do do, whatever you want to do, It is only the Omega who is the end result of this cycle of universal activity and is one with the Alpha of our origin and with him in the beginning before space and time existed, who knows every thing that you will do in this life, as did Enoch who ascended to the ends of all things and recorded every soul who would ever live, and recorded the position for each soul into all eternity, before they were even born, before returning to where he had originated, to reveal his writings to his children.

 

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quote=AK4; And Also Again, when your premise is off, everything else that follows will be off.

S-words Response; And those who believe that the only person to have ever been resurrected from the dead was an eternal and immortal God who could never die in the first place, is definitely way off the track.

quote=AK4; You have contradicted the scriptures already so everything else you say will be wrong too.

S-words Response; Nah mate, I have not contradicted the scriptures, although I have contradicted just about everything that you have said and proven you to be wrong.

quote=AK4; What was that you said--- "So sit back and pick your nose and your backside while I continue to reveal your total ignorance to that which is recorded in Gods word".

S-words Response; Which I will now repeat, "So sit back and pick your nose and scratch your backside while I continue to reveal your total ignorance to that which is recorded in Gods word".


quote=AK4; No dont. What dont you understand from Jesus' words "NO MAN has ascended to the heavens EXCEPT HE who descended from heaven"?

S-words Response; No man has ascended to heaven, but/except He who came down------The only one to have ever descended from heaven, was the only exception of all mankind to have ascended to the ends of time and space.

quote=AK4; [quick point--do you see right there His preexistence before mary. this should be so obvious by now]

S-words Response; The Only pre-existence I see in reference to the man Jesus, is his life as a human being, before He, in his spiritual existence, inherited the throne of our Father, and descended into the body of the baby Noah, where, while the baby Noah was still in the hands of the midwife, opened its mouth and began to converse with the Lord of righteousness.

“Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son and his body was as white as snow and as red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair on his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. And his father Lamech was afraid of him, (Just as Eve was terrified when she first saw Cain the shinning one and thought to kill him) and Lamech fled and ran to his father Methuselah. And he said to him: “I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different, and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems that he is not sprung from me, but from the angels. And I fear that in his days, a wonder may be wrought on the earth.

quote=AK4; Here, you want all the extra biblical stuff you can read that "my mother" has kept out of canon?

S-words Response; Glad to see that you admit that your mother is the universal chuch, which was established by King Constantine, and whose seat of power is in the great city of Rome that sits on the seven hills and that she has established the canon from which she allows you to read, and the rest of the biblical stuff that would have revealed to you the doorway into eternal life, she has hidden from you.

quote=AK4; Here delude yourself some more at reluctant-messenger.com. He has all the books you want including Herbert Armstrongs "Mystery of the Ages". Go ahead and delude yourself some more.

S-words Response; Been there, done that, and the spirit rejected most of what I ate. What might be poisonous to you, can't harm those who are one with the indwelling ancestor.

quote=AK4; I see you believe everything that you see and read

S-words Response; Nope, I don’t believe anything that you have written so far.

quote=AK4; Again the lucifer hoax story. Are you serious? Have you done your homework on this hoax yet? How can Jesus and some lucifer both be the "bright and morning star".

S-words Response; How can the Alpha be the omega, how can the Father be the Son, how can the beginning be the ending, how can the two be one? By Jingo, I'm not too bad a poet am I?

quote=AK4; You do know Jesus is called this twice in the NT?

S-words Response; Yep!

Does this verse cut to the your core and make you think again about calling lucifer the bright and morning star?

S-words Response; Nope!

2 Cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light[bright and morning star]. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

S-words Response; 1st letter of John 4:1-3; “My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus, does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc.”

2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.”

quote=AK4; As if only now He is incontestably divine and not before He came to earth.

S-words Response; Correct! He is not a God who became a man, but a man who became a God. Don’t you believe that man, who was created a little below the angels will be crowned with glory and be the ruler of all the heavenly host, excluding our father of course, and don’t you believe that Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead past of the “Son of Man,” The Great Simulacrum, which is the blueprint of the new species on earth, that evolves from the body of mankind, of which, Jesus was the first of many brothers to have been chosen?

 

[S-word]

S-words first response to post #82

quote=AK4;1954164]

No you brought in extra biblical heresy to "add to the Word of God" to make your theology work.

S-words Response; I did not know that such a horse existed. Can you explain exactly what you mean by Biblical heresy? Surely all false and misleading interpretation of the Bible, is Biblical heresy, so where would one find extra biblical heresy?

quote=AK4; Add to it, add to the plagues you receive. Take away, take away from your blessings. Thats easy to understand aint it?

S-words Response; Unlike others who have been proven to have altered and perverted the words of the Holy Great One, I have not added to, nor diminished from the words of the book of Revelation to which those plagues are referred.

quote=AK4; Also you might as well throw out the book of Hebrews then since you dont believe the words of it

S-words Response; You are of course referring to the fact that God’s word states in Hebrew 5: 5-10; that Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of being high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek, instead, after he had leant obedience through suffering, Our Lord God and saviour, declared him to be high priest with these words, “Today I have become your Father.” But of course, there are people such as you, who are children in the faith, who will persist in claiming that they know better than their elders, and do not realise that after being made high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek, and after being made dead in the flesh but alive in spirit, "Jesus" who we once knew as a Man, descended into the previous world, before all the observers in the pre-flood world, were destroyed by water, where he was reborn in the body of Noah, who was the first “Melchizedek,” the first Lord king and spiritual centre of all the children of the post-flood world, where He, “Jesus” was the first of the new creation.

Noah, had taken the sarcophagus of Adam into the ark with him, and remembering, that according to the story as given to us by God, the only four men on earth immediately after the flood, were Noah and his three sons. Ham, who was born when Noah was in his 5th hundred year, Shem, who was born when Noah was 502, and was one hundred year old, two years after the flood when Noah was 602, and Shem is the older brother of Japheth, the youngest of Noah’s three sons. See Gen 5: 32; Gen 11: 10; and Gen 10: 21.

From the “Book of the Conflicts of Adam” “Melchizedek, (Jesus, who was reborn in the sixth world, and was the chosen son and heir of Enoch who was in the bosom of Abraham, from the genetic line of Shem, the second born son of Noah, being the second Melchizedek, who out lived Abraham by 38 years, and was that Melchizedek, who blessed Abraham ) and the three sons of Noah, reach a spot where the rock opens and receives the chest containing the body of Adam and the four sacred tokens (Which were the four plants that Adam was allowed to take from the Garden of Eden in paradise, which were, Calamus, Nard, Crocus, and cinnamon. Geneticists, take note). There Melchizedek remains, clothed and girded with fire, to serve God before the body of Adam to all time.”The light that appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus, (and legend has it, that Paul/Saul on his death bed, at the sound of his last trumpet, was translated,) and the Light that appears at the death bed of all the righteous, is the Light of our Lord, "Jesus of Nazareth," who comes to take his chosen ones to be with him in Paradise. Walk into the Light, do not fear the flame.

I, the mind/spirit that is developing within this young body, as the son of "Who I Am," and the supreme personality of godhead to this particular body, have been evolving over the past 69 years, but the divine animating principle that pervades this entire universal body and was the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of origin that was torn asunder for the foundation of this universal body and all therein, and which has become "Who I Am," has been around for all eternity.

And the etrnal "Who I Am" is connected to the singularity of origin by an unbroken genetic thread of life. That which has become "Who I Am" has never died and can never die. I picked up a fossil and O, what a buzz--just to think---in my hand was who I once was.

"Who I Am" My ancestral Father, is the only God to who I bow, so all you mob out there who are trying to tell me how I should live my life, you're all wasting your time, because I know that if I am true to, and an obedient servant to, and an extension of "Who I Am," an I will live the eternal life also, and will enter into that glorious enclosure of my ancestors, Human and pre-human, as their compilation and the supreme godhead within the spiritual body, that dwells behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of my descendants, until an obedient servant to who I am, in that time comes along, who I will choose as my heir and successor, to sit beside me in my throne, as I sit beside my Father.

I am in the great simulacrum in the eighth eternal heaven of unapproachable light, and when He, who is the compilation and Godhead to that glorious enclosure of chosen spirits, returns to his Father in the singularity of origin before space and time came into existence, we, who were united in he, who was the beginning of the creation of this, the post flood world, will be released to live our independant lives in the eighth eternal day of unapproachable light.

So get behind me you charlatan priests and you shams, for I am true to my God, to MY GOD, "Who I Am."

I am who I am, may I never loose sight
Of the fact that I am who I am, day and night
I'm not who I was, nor who I will be,
For "Who I Am," is the name, that MY GOD gave to me..... By S-word.

 

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Come on are you serious? Does this scripture ring a bell with what you just said
Mt 23:24 "You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
This is exactly what you and theologians do.

Not my point of view. My point of view means nothing. We are to test the spirits [meaning even those humans who “teach” us]. The way to tell if they are fudging the scriptures is to put what they teach up against the scriptures. That is what I do and this is not my point of view or interpretation. You can take the most basic principle “God is love” and put that against the hell doctrine or annihilation doctrine and see how scholars fudged the scriptures.

Ive read some who do include this passage to “support” their rapture theory and it still all fails when I or anyone else just puts the rapture up to this one thing---they teach that believers will be raptured from tribulation while the scriptures say that believers are to go through MUCH TRIBULATION to be saved. Take that principle and add the principle “God who does not lie”, now to believe them it makes different scriptures contradict and makes God a liar. So 2 principles broke by just saying believers are rapture from going into tribulation. See what Im saying?

No theres no problem with the all, every. Theologians and scholars screwed this up ON PURPOSE [just research this up and they openly admit it]. This “all & every” stuff is ludicrous. Again does Mt 23:24 ring true here again. “All have sinned”, same greek word “pas”. Will they do the same thing with verse as they do the verses that say Jesus will save all? Of course not, why? To be frank, because their sick evil and demented and they WANT people to be tortured forever and because it pumps up their egos to makes them feel better than others. Sadly its not just them but also all their sheeple too.

I just shake my head at you guys in amazement and I bite my tongue because there is a scripture that perfectly describes people who do this. It says “BECAUSE YOU DESPISE MY WORD”. I just showed you like 15 scriptures showing that Jesus only spoke to the masses in parables [what does it say about establishing a truth, you need two or three witnesses and I gave you at least ten] and you spit on this truth with that verse as if God lies and contradicts. You just showed you believe God is a liar. Really think about it. Jesus said God is love. That’s plain speech without a parable yet do you actually truly believe that nullifies the truth of He only spoke to the masses in parables? Come on now. Can you see why Jesus constantly berated the Pharisees and scribes of that day? Do you think it would be different today?

Now show me where this is limited to THE antichrist, one single person/thing because there are millions out there who denieth the Father and the Son and as stated “there are MANY ANTICHRISTS” already out there. Believe it or not Christians who believe and teach that people die and go to heaven or hell or wherever are antichrists too.

Which is this referring to?

Most of their doctrines are not in complete error which makes them more dangerous and deceptive. It makes it worse because by mixing in lies with truth it makes it harder for those who want to find the truth to find it. Satans not stupid, he knows what hes doing, after all he does deceive the WHOLE WORLD. Scripture say Jesus is the Saviour of the world, satan takes this true doctrine mixes in the unscriptural teachings of eternity/everlasting/for ever and ever and hell. Now you have Jesus saving the whole world except most of humanity will be tortured forever or everlasting. No, the doctrine is not in complete error ONLY because yes Jesus will save the whole world BUT the mixed in lie does tremendous damage all the way to making Jesus and God liars and monsters and MAKES the church teach other heresies to make the lie fit the truth. In this case, they introduced the doctrine of freewill AND the fall AND the Lucifer story to make it work. Do you see what I saying?

I am seriously correct. There is a great deal of difference between what you have done according to the scripture that you gave as a fellow theologian and what I did according to this scripture:

2Ti 2:15 Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth.

It is the way in which you approach the scripture that is decidedly your point of view. I do not look at the scriptures to view them as I wish them to be but allow the spirit of God to teach me what is their true meaning. I would be quite happy if the scriptures didn't say anything about Hell and if I followed my own inclinations instead of following Jesus I could explain away what is there but I am not my own; I belong to Jesus.

It appears to me that you are making a case for a post triblulation Rapture. There are scholars who hold this view. I think the concept of pre-triblation rapture based on God wouldn't put us through that is similar to the concept that God wouldn't send anyone to Hell when scripture says that He will. Then you will tell me that one scripture is contradicting the other because "God is love" means that He wouldn't do either. However I believe that God would not be loving if He didn't do those things.

I find no verse supporting this concept and the very word "elect" means there are some who are not elect. The only legitimate use of the word "all" is when God is saying it becuase He knows but we only see a portion. I don't mind if you say only if you can legitimately prove it but one exception eliminates the "only." The contradiction is yours not Gods. Since scripture contradicts what YOU say then what you said can't be correct.

Here is the antichrist represented here as the "Lawless one."

II Th.2:8 And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming; 9 even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:

Do you really believe God, an Almighty, omnipotent, all powerful, all everything God would be in a battle with something He created? Do you really think that it would be a battle in the first place? Its tantamount to saying you could try to dethrone God or be in a battle with God.

Rev 19:11 ¶ And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself.
13 And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God

It seems reasonable enough that men would like a workable theology.Do you then think that scripture does not present a workable theology?

 

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Where does it say Jesus took one of his materialized bodies to heaven?
According to 1st Corinthians 15:50,45 doesn't it say 'flesh and blood' can Not inherit the kingdom?

It doesn't say that. It says: Acts 1:9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they were looking stedfastly into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

The heaven referred to hear is the sky and the stars. The apostles can't see how far He was taken because the clouds obscured their sight.

Yes but that is because it is a spiritual kingdom. Flesh and blood inherits a physical kingdom.

I Cor 15:44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Either there is a body or a spirit but not both. The next verse that you refer to explains that it is a body like Adam's but instead of having a living soul it has a life giving spirit. It is difficult to see a difference and I am not sure there is one.