Yes, finally somebody gets it.
Verse 5 of Rev 20 is a spurious verse, it shouldnt be there and it doesnt fit or match any other scripture. Where esle does it say that there is a first then a second resurrection. There are no second or third witness for that Rev 20:5 verse therefore it is spurious because it also doesnt show up in the earliest complete manuscripts. All the resurrection verses say that there is A RESURRECTION. I agree with you when you say that the ones who are "changed" will rule with Christ and they will be ruling over the others who were not changed and those who are resurrected to judgment (same resurrection).
You say resurrected to heaven....if they are to rule on earth with Christ then where is heaven? Not many know what heaven is so im just curious what you may say.
The 144,000 [which is a symbol and not literally 144,000] are the ones who came out of great tribulation. Notice how the meaning changes when one sticks to how the scriptures are and dont add "the" in front of great tribulation. There is no "THE" great tribulation. All those who are being called AND chosen now, in this life, are in great tribulation, are put in tribulation, are to go through MUCH tribulation.
Again, those are man made doctrines, first resurrection and general resurrection, this is not scriptural and as for "for some who will not prove worthy of life, so the will receive a resurrection of judgement, while some will receive life, everlasting life on earth" consider this
Ver. 21-22: "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For AS in Adam ALL die, EVEN SO in Christ shall ALL be made alive."
Comment: First I want to show you that the word "alive" in this verse is a word that is used with reference to imparting immortality, and not just mortal life. The Greek word is zoopoieo, and it means to give life beyond the grasp of any future death. Notice how it is used in Rom. 8:11, "But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead [Christ was raised to immortality, not back to a mortal life] dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken [zoopoieo] your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwells in you." So clearly God does not give "mortal" life to our "mortal" bodies, seeing that we already have mortal life. No, He imparts IMMORTALITY to us. And this is exactly what Paul tells us in I Cor. 15, "For this corruptible [body] must put on incorruption [spiritual], and this mortal [dying or dead body] must put on IMMORTALITY [Gk: DEATH-LESS-NESS]" (Verse 53). And to whom does Christ grant immortal "zoopoieo" life? Answer: "ALL." The very same "all" who die in Adam are the very same "all" who are given life IN CHRIST.
It is also noteworthy that it is "
IN Christ ALL
" and is not restricted to only, "
ALL IN CHRIST
" as many have tried to twist this verse to mean. They say it is only all those who are "in" Christ. But that is not what this verse says. It says "in Christ ALL." That is the order of words. This verse is not speaking of those just the "all believers" who are said to be "IN Christ." No, this verse is speaking about the very same "in Adam ALL" who die become the very same "in Christ ALL" who are made alive. And although this particular verse does not say that "all" are now "IN Christ," it does most definitely say that "in Christ," the "ALL" shall be shall be "made alive." "Made alive" does not prove they are "in" Christ or that they are "saved," only that they have been given immortal life. Then comes JUDGMENT. But dont think that therefore there is no Scripture that says they will eventually "ALL" be "IN" Christ, because there is:
"That in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one ALL [things is not in original] IN Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even IN HIM" (Eph. 1:10).
Christ first raises ALL to mortal life. At a later date He gathers this same ALL into Himself. The "in Christ ALL" (I Cor. 15:22) then becomes the "ALL IN CHRIST" (Eph. 1:10). Every creature in heaven and earth will be ONE IN Christ! I hope you can believe that.
AK4,
It is very hard to reason with someone who calls himself a Christian, but picks scriptures from the Holy Bible and proclaims then spurious. Is this what you do to any scripture that does not agree with some preconceived ideas of yours???
The Holy Scriptures tell us that God's word remains forever. If God's word has been adulterated, it is no longer God's word, Isa 40:8, 1Pet 1:25. Paul tells us that all scripture is inspired by God, 2Tim 3:16,17, Peter agrees, 2Pet 1:20,21.
Remember, Jesus said that God's word IS TRUTH, John 17:17. The Almighty has, Himself promised to keep His word unadulterated, Ps 12:6,7. If God allowed His word to be adulterated, He could not judge the world, because it is by His word that all are judged, Rom 14:10-12, 2Cor 5:10.
You do seem to have some knowledge of the scriptures. please allow me to do as Priscilla and Aquilla did for Apollos. They expounded the word of God more correctly to him. This account is recorded at Acts 18:24-26.
Since it is ALL SCRIPTURE that is inspired by God, both the Hebrew Scriptures and the Greek Scriptures, many times we must go to the Hebrew Scriptures to get the KEY to understanding the Christian Greek Scriptures. Notice that it is the wicked that are removed from earth, not the good, Ps 37:9-11, 34. Notice it is the righteous that will live forever on earth, Ps 37:29. Consider also Prov 2:21,22, where we are told that the righteous will reside in the earth, but the wicked will be torn away from it.
Since, as you have stated, the Bible is very clear about some going to heaven with Jesus. The Bible is also clear about some living on earth forever. This means tha some will live on earth and some will live in heaven. Since it only stands to reason that the ones in heaven will be fewer, Jesus mentioned a Little Flock that would inherit the Kingdom, Luke 12:32. Consider Rev 7:3,4, which states acertain number that are sealed. Then look at verse 9 which mentions a Great Crowd. Verse 14 tells us that this group comes OUT of the Great Tribulation, meaning that they survive the Great Tribulation, and are part of the ones mentioned at Ps 37:29.
This small group, mentioned as 144,000 are much smaller that the great crowd that will live on earth, Rev 5:9,10, 14:1-5, 20:4-6.
Consider Heb 3:1, where Paul mentions the ones of the heavenly calling, making a destinction between the heavenly calling and others who will live on earth.
Remember what Jesus said at John 5:28,29. Jesus said that there was going to be a resurrection of life to those who did good things, and a resurrection of judgement to those who practiced vile things. This means that some who are resurrected will die again, because of not wanting to obey Jesus. NONE of the ones who are resurrected to heaven can die again, because the are resurrected IMMORTAL, Rev 2:11, 20:5,6. Paul wrote on this subject also, 1Cor 15:51-54.
Paul writing to the Corinthians said that ALL will be made alive, 1Cor 15:22. Did Paul actually mean ALL would be finally made alive??? Of course NOT. Paul was sayint that all who were in Christ would be made alive. Remember Jesus said several times that few would actually get into God's Kingdom, Matt 7:13,14, Luke 13:23,24. These ones are BORN AGAIN, as spirit creatures, John 3:3-8. Jesus was rtesurrected as a spirit, and the Little Flock who inherit the Kingdom receive the same resurrection that Jesus received, 1Pet 3:18, 2Cor 5:16, Rom 6:5, John 17:24, 14:1-4.
The same idea about ALL is also mentioned by Paul at Rom 11:26, where the scripture says; in this manner ALL Israel will be saved. Just before this statement Paul had carefully stated the process that the Jews had to make to be saved, ALL who did this would be saved, Rom 11:14-25. Definitely not all of Israel will be saved, Paul tells us that only a REMNANT will be saved, Rom 9:27, 11:5.
The scriptures recorded at 1Thess 4:13-17, is speaking about the Little Flock who will be taken to heaven just before the marriage of the Lamb, Rev 19:6,7. Some will be still alive and they will be changed in a mont, in the twinkling of an eye; the others of that group will be resurrected, and all meet up with the Lord in the air, taking the place of Satan and his hoard who now rule ,1John 5:19, are the authority of the air, 1Thes 4:17, Eph 2:2.
That's a mouthful... LOL
