Firstborner
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What are you talking about putting on a shirt means your torso gets left behind?
That's what I am saying! yet you said, "To 'put on' means leaving behind the material/physical body and 'put on' a spirit body." and that makes absolutely no sense.
Paul is part of the 'little flock' [smaller group] of Luke [12v32] who are part of the first or earlier resurrection of Rev [20v6] who will reign in heaven with Jesus.
Then why does Paul say, "we ourselves groan inside ourselves, waiting for the adoption, that is, the redemption of our body." That redeeming of the body is explained by Job who says, "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: " You see it is apparent that Job and Paul will share in the same type of resurrection.
Absolutely Daniel was looking forward to the kingdom of God as he recorded at: Daniel 7 vs13,14; 2v44.
Now here is the issue, you are claiming that Daniel is also awaiting the Kingdom of God, but has a physical resurrection. Jesus and others like Paul you claim receive a spiritual resurrection, yet all are expecting the SAME Kingdom of God. So by your reasoning Daniel, being flesh and blood can not be resurrected into it. Do you see the discrepancies?
The Jews thought Jesus was talking about the temple building itself.
When Jesus was resurrected by God the disciples understood that Jesus was Not resurrected in a fleshly body. Jesus gave his body as a ransom sacrifice [Matt 20v28] . Like Moses body, God disposed of Jesus fleshly body.
That is highly interpretive, there are no scriptures to back that up, and what we do read suggests otherwise. For example when Jesus stated "See that I am not a spirit, but flesh and bone."
The disciples [John 21v12] none of the disciples had the courage to ask Jesus " Who are you?" If they had recognized Jesus in his own fleshy body there would have been no reason for the question: Who are you.
Doesn't a stranger join the disciples on the road from Emmaus to Jerusalem
[7 mile walk] ? Luke 24v11 Peter only finds bandages, No body.
Verse 16 the reason their eyes were kept from recognizing Jesus is because Jesus was in a materialized body. Jesus was resurrected in the spirit so in order for humans to see the resurrected Jesus he put on a different fleshy or materialized body for them to see and talk with.
I already posted my response to these verses, and your response seems to be simply to reiterate them without plugging the holes in your reasoning.
John [21vs4,5] Jesus stood on the shore but the disciples knew Not that it was Jesus, then Jesus said to them.......they answered him, "No'.
They were in close proximity at that point.
No, verse 8 says exactly how far they were, it was 200 cubits, which is roughly the length of a football field. Close enough to see Jesus, yes, to hear him, yes, for instant identification, hardly.
Matthew [12v6] says:... That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Matthew [27v40] says: Thou that destroys [throws down] the temple, and builds it up in three days.
Mark [14v58] We heard him say, I will destroy [throw down] this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.
'Made without hands' or without physical. So a materialized body would be needed because the 'made without hands' spirit body would not be visible to humans.
Peter believed [1st Pt 3v18] Jesus was put to death in the flesh but make alive in the spirit.
You are equating "Made without hands" to mean non -physical, that is just silly, it means not made by men, like the temple was. God fashioned the whole of spiritual and physical creation, and hardly needed a "hand" to do it. A tree is not made by hands, the grand canyon was not made with hands, and neither are we, and yet we are all very physical.