The real Messiah!!!

[Pegg]

The word "parthenos" was also, in Genesis 34, used to refer to a young woman who was most certainly NOT a virgin. It spoke of Dinah, Jacob's daughter... referring to her as a maiden after she had been raped by Shechem. She was no longer a virgin, yet the word parthenos was used.

i think you are pushing the envelope there because the point of the Dinah story was that she WAS a virgin who was raped

So the word can apply to a virgin as it can apply to a young unmarried woman...and in those days, young unmarried women were virgins. "maiden" in our culture means 'pre marriage' hence why young women loose their 'maiden' name when they get married.

The way of a man with a young woman, called "almah"... obviously a young woman, obviously not a virgin.

In the scriptures, almah has a broad meaning and can be applied to both. No matter how you look at it, Isaiah 7 can apply to either.

Some scholars even point to the word almah as coming from the hebrew root word meaning to 'conceal'...hence a concealed woman who has not uncovered herself to a man.

 

[Poisonshady313]

i think you are pushing the envelope there because the point of the Dinah story was that she WAS a virgin who was raped

As of the moment she was raped, she was no longer a virgin. If at the beginning of the story she were called a virgin, that's one thing. But by the point in the story after the rape is mentioned, she could no longer be called a virgin.

In the scriptures, almah has a broad meaning and can be applied to both.

A young woman might be a virgin, but being a young woman she isn't necessarily a virgin.

No matter how you look at it, Isaiah 7 can apply to either.

Actually, it can't. Because the woman in question was already pregnant at the time the prophecy was delivered. Nobody suspects her of being a virgin.

The sign was what was going to happen in the lifetime of this particular child. Which happened during the lifetime of King Ahaz.

 

[David69]

I am the messiah! Yous read to much

 

[David69]

Have you looked at the geneaologies of Jesus? The messiah was supposed to be of the house of David. Joseph was of the house of David, but Jesus was not, as Joseph was not his father! The "born of a virgin" idea is due to a misinterperetation of the word meaning basically "young woman", and the epithet "son of god" was commonly used by Hebrews self-referentially.

I beleive that Joseph was jesus father! where you getting your info?

 

[Jacksnyte]

I beleive that Joseph was jesus father! where you getting your info?

According to the story, the Hebrew god was Jesus father, not Joseph. Mary was supposedly impregnated by their god through the Holy Spirit. This is very basic Christian doctrine! It's in the Bible.

 

[David69]

According to the story, the Hebrew god was Jesus father, not Joseph. Mary was supposedly impregnated by their god through the Holy Spirit. This is very basic Christian doctrine! It's in the Bible.

Ah so it must be the truth then Is that the solid proof then Jack or were you just having a laugh m8?

 

[Jacksnyte]

Ah so it must be the truth then Is that the solid proof then Jack or were you just having a laugh m8?

This is what most Christians believe. I am by no means a Christian. I just find it humorous that many Christians will claim that Jesus birth fulfills a prophecy that the Messiah will come from the line of David, and then cite Josephs geneology as proof when, according to their own beliefs, Joseph wasn't his father!

 

[David69]

This is what most Christians believe. I am by no means a Christian. I just find it humerous that many Christians will claim that Jesus birth fulfills a prophecy that the Messiah will come from the line of David, and then cite Josephs geneology as proof when, according to their own beliefs, Joseph wasn't his father!

Cool, I wonder what the Jewish people beleive? It will suit them also about the virgin birth to de bunk him but would they accept that joseph is jesus father? hmmm

Cheers