The Real Reason Trump Won

[Revoltingest]

A lot of these conservatives...

Let me interrupt here to point out that
Magas aren't conservatives. They're not
devoted to fiscal responsibility & the
Constitution.
They're loyal to Trump, to theocracy,
to authoritarianism, & vengeance
against Trump's enemies. It's a cult.

....rejected science when they heard about evolution, and how origin is not a literal interpretation of Genesis. To them the absurd makes sense, and with this twisted thinking they easily can justify any interpretation of Genesis over reason, facts, and science. We see in these discussions that no amount of expertise and knowledge offsets the emotions felt for a religious dogma. MAGA is brilliant in exploiting these non-thinkers and presening absurd dogma, fear, and anger. Looking at your transformation has been interesting, as it's gone the other way, accepting facts and data and making exceptionally rational and wise judgments.

Fundamentalist religion is the mind killer, eh.

 

[F1fan]

First of all, it's not hypocrisy on my part. I believe that pregnancy is a unique situation and I believe the unborn need and deserve our protection.

This is why public health is important, and reducing pollution and poisons in water and food. Mothers are expected to value their health when they learn they are pregnant, and it's largely their responsibility, not the state.

But I see the pro-life folks treat preganancy as a single, finite state, as if a week old fertilized egg is the same as an 8 moth old fetus. This isn't the case and why the Roe decison was divided into three trimesters, and the law applied to each stage of development. This requires a nuanced understanding, and something the extremists don't do.

 

[F1fan]

Let me interrupt here to point out that
Magas aren't conservatives. They're not
devoted to fiscal responsibility & the
Constitution.
They're loyal to Trump, to theocracy,
to authoritarianism, & vengeance
against Trump's enemies. It's a cult.

Fundamentalist religion is the mind killer, eh.

MAGAs are certainly conservative when it comes to being rational.

 

[Revoltingest]

MAGAs are certainly conservative when it comes to being rational.

I find conservatives to be more rational than Magas.
It's a political philosophy vs cult leader worship.

 

[F1fan]

I find conservatives to be more rational than Magas.
It's a political philosophy vs cult leader worship.

Conservatives are a rare breed these days. MAGAs want to pretend they are still normal folk, but once they speak we can see they've had their bodies stolen and are not longer recognizable. (See Invasion of the Body Snatchers)

 

[Revoltingest]

Conservatives are a rare breed these days.

Alas, true dat.

MAGAs want to pretend they are still normal folk, but once they speak we can see they've had their bodies stolen and are not longer recognizable. (See Invasion of the Body Snatchers)

 

[Heyo]

We won't agree because I believe that human life begins very, very early, when the infant is a fetus.

We do agree on that. I take the biological definition of life (homoeostasis, growth, reproduction, etc.) and a human fulfils those conditions from implantation on (if not earlier). What it lacks is personhood (until birth) and sentience (until about week 20 to 24).
Also, I'm willing to make exceptions to the right of bodily autonomy, i.e. after 20 weeks into a pregnancy.
Now, you want to erase that even earlier (when?), but you won't take it away for a small jab, that could save millions?
Can you spell hypocrite?

 

[Revoltingest]

We won't agree because I believe that human life begins very, very early, when the infant is a fetus.

Do you mean "embryo" rather than "fetus"?

Fetus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Excerpted...
A fetus or foetus (/ˈfiːtəs/; pl.: fetuses, foetuses, rarely feti or foeti) is the unborn mammalian offspring that develops from an embryo.[1] Following the embryonic stage, the fetal stage of development takes place. Prenatal development is a continuum, with no clear defining feature distinguishing an embryo from a fetus. However, in general a fetus is characterized by the presence of all the major body organs, though they will not yet be fully developed and functional, and some may not yet be situated in their final anatomical location.

In human prenatal development, fetal development begins from the ninth week after fertilization (which is the eleventh week of gestational age) and continues until the birth of a newborn.

 

[Heyo]

Conservatives are a rare breed these days.

Basically, 90% of the Dems are conservatives.
But conservatives have become rare in the GOP, they only have regressives now.

 

[bobhikes]

Having heard of the global trend of voting out incumbants I'm not sure there's anything she could have done differently and won. In a rational America the biggest thing she had going for her was not being Trump. But America didn't vote with their brains, they reacted to the circumstances, most of it created by mediia and a lot of it false. I am convinced if Trump implements his ideas and the agendas there's going to be a reverse reaction in two years and then in four years.

There is no rational basis for anyone to have boted for Trump, yet he was elected by a significant margin. Social media is having more and more affects that were not predicted. And how does a society that is addicted to social media learn the discipline of using it? On planet Vulcan Trump would have gotten zero votes, because Vulcans would say it's illogical to vote for him. But in America? There's a serious deficiency of logical thinkers.

I'm not sure that would fix it either. When you have devout Christians ignoring his crimes and supporting him as if he's Jesus they are lost people who have serious religious and thinking flaws. There will be serious consequences to electing an idiot for president. We are seeing consequences already in corporations buying inventory, and the bond market pricing as if its expecting a recession. His cabinet is looking like the Star Wars cantina, just the worst freaks MAGA has to offer.

I would agree, I don't believe Biden or her could of won based on the results.

 

[The Hammer]

Let me interrupt here to point out that
Magas aren't conservatives. They're not
devoted to fiscal responsibility & the
Constitution.
They're loyal to Trump, to theocracy,
to authoritarianism, & vengeance
against Trump's enemies. It's a cult.

Fundamentalist religion is the mind killer, eh.

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2Fworld%2Ffact-check-trump-did-not-call-republicans-the-dumbest-group-of-voters-idUSKBN2342DH%2F&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

Terrible looking link to a Reuters article. Basically Trump never said the above quote about running as a Republican.

 

[an anarchist]

MAGAs want to pretend they are still normal folk, but once they speak we can see they've had their bodies stolen and are not longer recognizable.

AUTHORITARIANISM HAS WON!!! The division of the country and the masses is complete…

The left views the right as sub human based off of this quote…

 

[Heyo]

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2Fworld%2Ffact-check-trump-did-not-call-republicans-the-dumbest-group-of-voters-idUSKBN2342DH%2F&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

Terrible looking link to a Reuters article. Basically Trump never said the above quote about running as a Republican.

Yep. The prophecy never happened. Like so many, it was written after the fact. No wonder it is so accurate.

 

[Revoltingest]

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2Fworld%2Ffact-check-trump-did-not-call-republicans-the-dumbest-group-of-voters-idUSKBN2342DH%2F&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

Terrible looking link to a Reuters article. Basically Trump never said the above quote about running as a Republican.

Good to know.
But at least it captures the spirit of other things he said.

Donald Trump 'Fifth Avenue' Comment

Donald Trump caused controversy by claiming he could "stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody" and retain all his supporters.

www.snopes.com

Did Trump Say, 'I Love the Poorly Educated'?

Trump's "poorly educated" line sparked much reaction, including smirking and shock.

www.snopes.com

 

[F1fan]

AUTHORITARIANISM HAS WON!!! The division of the country and the masses is complete…

The left views the right as sub human based off of this quote…

False. It’s a metaphor illustrating that MAGAs are not recognized as rational people and were transformed by attractive rhetoric that exploited their emotions.

 

[Valjean]

If you have to ask that question then you are not worth my time. However I will respond briefly.

Indoctrinated folks can't see what is junk and what is not junk because they believe in the junk.
Almost everything that came and continue to come from the "left" are lies and junk.

Do you watch any main stream lefty medias? Do you watch CNN, The view, any late night talk shows? Etc. etc.
Do you hear how Hillary, Kamala or Biden talk about Trump and his supporters?

Trump haters have been religiously calling Trump every name in the book. It is not name calling to you because you believe in it.
Biden sealed the deal with his junky comment. He called Trump supporters "garbage".
Yeah! That was - nail in the coffin!
Lefties are losing it! Actually they simply lost it!

I do watch both sides. I am watching you and your mentors here. I see how you cheer for them and everything they write. One big happy family of lefties!

But are we lefties not likely to prove prophetic in our criticism of Trump and warnings about a Trump presidency? Wouldn't his proposed policies undermine democracy?
The Democrats are bad enough with their foot dragging around serious issues like climate change, infrastructure, and costs of healthcare, housing and education.

You talk about lies and junk. Don't these describe Trump's rambling, tangential rants? His speeches are often stream-of-consciousness, sometimes practically word salads. Fact-checkers have listed hundreds of clear factual errors and lies.

Historically, haven't we seen Trump's sort of authoritarian narcissism and popular adulation before? How did that work out?
Insecure people become infantalized and seek Strong-Father figures to think for and protect them, and the Republican party has been fomenting fear and insecurity with their claims of imminent threats and radical leftist conspiracies.

 

[Valjean]

We won't agree because I believe that human life begins very, very early, when the infant is a fetus.

First of all, it's not hypocrisy on my part. I believe that pregnancy is a unique situation and I believe the unborn need and deserve our protection.

What's that got to do with vaccines?

I agree, and I'd go all the way back to the zygote. Obviously a human genome.

But so what? Are rights based on species, or on the features that confer personhood? A cell or cells, with no consciousness, self-awareness, or awareness of futurity is not a person.
Rights are based on characteristics, not species. A fœtus does not have the requisite characteristics for a claim of personhood, moral consideration, or rights.

 

[BrightShadow]

But are we lefties not likely to prove prophetic in our criticism of Trump and warnings about a Trump presidency? Wouldn't his proposed policies undermine democracy?
The Democrats are bad enough with their foot dragging around serious issues like climate change, infrastructure, and costs of healthcare, housing and education.

You talk about lies and junk. Don't these describe Trump's rambling, tangential rants? His speeches are often stream-of-consciousness, sometimes practically word salads. Fact-checkers have listed hundreds of clear factual errors and lies.

Historically, haven't we seen Trump's sort of authoritarian narcissism and popular adulation before? How did that work out?
Insecure people become infantalized and seek Strong-Father figures to think for and protect them, and the Republican party has been fomenting fear and insecurity with their claims of imminent threats and radical leftist conspiracies.

Your perception is your reality but it doesn't reflect the truth.

Both sides have said many nasty things about each other and that is a fact!
There are no alternate facts - just one fact!

"Politics" - has become the dirtiest and most dishonest word in the dictionary and both parties are responsible for it. Have some courtesy to admit that.
The division is so huge now that it has become like two rival religions advocating opposite tenets.

One side primarily consists of Atheists, non-religious folks, believers who are non-practicing, members of the LGBTQIA+, sympathizers of LGBTQIA+, Trump haters, self-centered & a single agenda pushers (i.e. women' right and LGBTQIA+ rights advocates) aka specific special interest groups, etc.

The other side primarily consists of folks with common sense. That is the simplest way to describe them.

Many Dems are busy connecting dots from the past and convincing themselves that they have a lot to lose because of Trump. Even you are so focused on your concerns about Trump that you are forgetting that the alternate option - was worse.

Trump could not do much last time around because of COVID crisis and due to the fact that the Dems were holding him back from succeeding. This time we will see more progression because Dems are currently distracted (they can't figure out which direction to proceed). Their fake world came crashing down on them. Look how they are crying all over the place.

Dems are blaming everyone else except themselves. They pushed their agenda too far. They tried to redefine what a woman is.
But that was not all - so many women jumped on that bandwagon!
Why make such a well defined clear-cut image out of digital pixels into such an ill-defined low resolution out of focus blurry image?

 

[SkepticThinker]

It means absolutely squat to me if I can't afford things.

Yeah well, you don't get to claim inflation is high when it's actually low.

Why do you think this is only an American problem and why do you think the President can do anything about the price of eggs? What's he gonna do, exactly?

 

[SkepticThinker]

First of all prices have far outpaced wages so that is really just the whole pile of bibbly for most middle class Americans.

And if you've been paying attention to the news, Trump knows as most other economists know, that you require energy in order to have a healthy economy , and I'm sure of course you heard somewhere someplace Trump's saying , "drill baby drill" along with reducing the restrictions on acquisition of energy reserves here in this country to make that happen.

That's why I think Trump can actually make it work and prices in this country will ease to the point people won't feel sticker shocked every time they go someplace.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91187114/oil-gas-production-trump-biden-harris-energy-goals

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/big-oil-is-doing-way-better-under-biden-than-under-trump-142434637.html

Biden isn’t advertising America’s record oil boom

Biden is not “waging war” on American energy. He’s boosting it.

www.vox.com

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/economy/oil-industry-profits-under-biden/index.html

United States produces more crude oil than any country, ever - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Joe Biden is producing more oil than Donald Trump did

Oil production hit record under Biden despite making transition to renewables key part of his agenda. Will it hurt him in 2024?

www.newsweek.com