Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No , it's actually myself and over half the nation that states different.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
The Real Reason Trump Won
- Thread starter The Hammer
- Start date
Ah -- I see where you're coming from. This is actually a pretty good summary of the NATO expansion, except that the "treaty" was more a gentlemens' agreement by Secretary of State Baker and Gorbachev that, with the reunification of Germany, NATO would be allowed to expand "not one inch Eastward" in the future. The agreement, as you point out, wasn't worth the paper it was (not) printed on-- plus NATO wasn't in on the agreement.I am somewhat familiar with the history and think it was actually the attempted expansion of NATO to include Ukraine, breaking previous treaties with Russia, that triggered the war… not Russia’s desire to expand territory. Possibly Trump would have taken a stand against NATO expansion and occupation at Russia’s border.
“If ever a war could easily have been avoided, the war in Ukraine is that war. If ever a war was needlessly provoked, the war in Ukraine is that war.
The war in Ukraine came about as a result of the Western powers’ single-minded insistence on scooping up every single country on the European continent into NATO, and on expanding the borders of NATO right up to the borders of the Russian Federation.
“The war in Ukraine came about because the Western powers for more than three decades continued to dismiss the innumerable pleas of successive Soviet and Russian leaders, including Mikhail Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin, that there could be no security for anyone on the continent unless the West and Russia agree on a common framework for peace that guarantees the freedom and security of all.”
“How do we know that this? Because former NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told us as much. In September 2023, Stoltenberg went before the European Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee and explained very succinctly that the war in Ukraine could have been avoided had NATO not insisted on moving its military infrastructure up to Russia’s borders. President Putin, he explained, had
“At the heart of Russia’s proposals was a commitment by NATO to no further expansion, and in particular to no NATO membership for Ukraine. There was nothing so extraordinary about that. In its 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty, Ukraine had declared “its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs.”
The notion propagated by NATO spokesmen and Western policymakers that every state has the sovereign right to join any military alliance it wants, to deploy whatever armaments it wants on its territory and to ignore the security concerns of its neighbors flies in the face of innumerable international treaties and covenants, not to mention the international practice of states since time immemorial.”
If ever a war could easily have been avoided, the war in Ukraine is that war. - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity
Address to the U.N. Security Council, Oct. 31, 2024 Thank you, Madam President, and thank you for giving me this opportunity to address this distinguished body. If ever a war could easily have been avoided, the war in Ukraine is that war. If ever a war was needlessly provoked, the…ronpaulinstitute.org
But there's a larger issue Russia's been struggling with for centuries, it's vulnerability to foreign invasion. Russia has few landforms which could impede invaders. There are wide corridors of undefended steppe surrounding its heartland, facilitating several historical incursions. This has plagued leaders and affected foreign policy for centuries.
Russia's 'solution' was to bring as much area under control as possible, and use sheer distance as a deterrent. But since the dissolution of the Soviet Union into independent states, Russia has felt acutely vulnerable. Putin's been persuing reunification, bit by bit.
Last edited:
That's like saying the person in power is responsible for the earthquake. Not at all. However, that person is certainly responsible for how that earthquake and resulting damage is responded to. And Biden's administration wrestled inflation down.
He also totally ignores the fact that consumer voluntary spending is up, travel for pleasure is way up.You speak of people's feelings about inflation
rather than what inflation actually is, which is
under 3% (last 12 months). Not bad, eh.
CPI Home
www.bls.gov
U.S. Inflation Rate by Year: 1929 to 2024
By looking at the inflation rate each year, you can gain insight into how prices changed and how events around the globe impacted the average U.S. consumer.www.investopedia.com
I find the picture of someone buying airplane tickets for the family while telling an interviewer "we can't afford to buy eggs!" somewhat amusing.
Hogwash, the main reasons Trump won are:
Tiredness of the same old congress. Plenty of people I converse with agree that politics is screwed up and needs to be burned down. Kamala was more of the same and Trump was a flaming turd.
Replacement theory, It's real and a lot of people are afraid of losing their status, there power and being treated the way they treated minorities. Trump waved the white flag, Kamala was another example of how they will be replaced.
Racism/Machismo both losing ground in the current environment (hopefully) making there last stand with Trump. Harris was their clear enemy
Religion, losing ground in the new society making a last stab at power(hopefully). Going back to the old ways of forcing practices on the populace by infiltrating government
This is how I see the main issues for Kamala, but there are probably many others as we all think differently.
And here's the crux of the issue: Murder vs right to bodily autonomy.
If it were clearly murder I doubt that the opposition would be so strong. In my opinion it is not murder. A fœtus is not a child. It's not even a person, and right-to-life is a product of personhood.
Q: What features confer a right-to-life? Does a fœtus exhibit those features?
Our society has no problem with killing people when they've misbehaved, resisted or annoyed us. They're deemed to have forfeited their right-to-life. Likewise, our concern about 'rights' seems to end at the border. If we round up some politically inconvenient persons abroad that we'd have no legal right to hold in-country, we have offshore prisons and black sites where they have no rights. They can be tortured, killed, or kept locked up for decades.
Then there is the military exception. Soldiers are apparently led to believe their superior officers can take their sins upon themselves. Where do they get the authority to do this; to absolve others of their sinful acts? I thought the religious -- and make no mistake, the abortion objection is a religious one -- believe only Jesus had this authority, and that each individual is individually responsible for his own actions.
Our concern with "unalienable" or God-given rights seems to be a hypocritical façade. We'll ruin a woman's life to save a "baby." We'll shell a dwelling occupied by women and children on the suspicion that a 'terrorist" is inside. We'll bomb towns indiscriminately if they're believed to harbor terrorists. Apparently the morality that motivates the right-to-lifers applies only in-tribe.
Last edited:
What junk came from the left this election?Donkeywash really.
I already responded here. This is my second bite.
Put the blame where it belongs. Junk came out from both sources.
A real voice can cut through the junk.
Trump's voice did!
I think you need a historical perspective. What happened in the past when countries were experiencing similar political situations and authoritarian movements? Why would you expect a different outcome this time?
When has trump ever had a good business plan? His businesses go bankrupt.
The government is not a business. It's a social service organization not a retail concern.
We Never Know
No Slack
That may be right. I don't ever use twitter/X so don't know much about it.
Last edited:
You forgot about the invasion of thieves, drug dealers and rapists overrunning the country and taking our jobs!
<< checks locks on doors and windows>>
Historically, popular, commonsense and currently loved programs have almost always derived from the Left -- and been opposed from the Right.
Isn't doom and gloom prediction a good thing?
If I want a healthy body I pay an expert to examine me and look for problems, and report the gloomy findings. Health, whether corporeal or national, derives from seeking, reporting and addressing what's wrong.
Left-wing softballs? Here I agree. The left has become a pusillanimous pussyfooter, fearing to address substantive issues or criticize the GOP's manufactured distractions.
An ad pop? Seriously?
And any examination of the facts will prove them all equally wrong.
You and "most of the country" are shortsighted. You're making decisions that will benefit you, now, and ignoring long-term fallout.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm pretty happy to see the left keeping that kind of attitude. It pretty much ensures another win for the Republicans in 4 years.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
For me, this post is a one & out.
So, what's the reason why Trump won? To me, it's obvious that we have multiple millions of Americans with morals so low that they were willing to ignore Trump's moral bankruptcy that included trying to overthrow the 2020 election, largely caused the January 6th insurrection, cheating on all his wive's and sexual assault on some other women, repeatedly lying, etc. etc. etc.
IOW, we as a country have reached another low mark in our history. As Steven Hawking said about Trump not long before his death, he "is a demagogue who appeals to the lowest-common denominator".
Or, as POGO once said, "We have seen the enemy, and it is us!"
So, what's the reason why Trump won? To me, it's obvious that we have multiple millions of Americans with morals so low that they were willing to ignore Trump's moral bankruptcy that included trying to overthrow the 2020 election, largely caused the January 6th insurrection, cheating on all his wive's and sexual assault on some other women, repeatedly lying, etc. etc. etc.
IOW, we as a country have reached another low mark in our history. As Steven Hawking said about Trump not long before his death, he "is a demagogue who appeals to the lowest-common denominator".
Or, as POGO once said, "We have seen the enemy, and it is us!"
tytlyf
Not Religious
You're still in the minority. And most of you would agree that Biden caused inflation and higher prices. It shows you all don't care about the truth.
America will suffer because of your poor choices.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Hey, I have never voted for Trump.
Do we have a slanted media? Yes, definitely. People on the right tend to watch Fox or Newsmax. People on the left tend to watch MSNBC or CNN. Made to order propaganda for each of their base audience. Personally, I think that the Left went too far left this time, and many people remember that the economy was better during Trumps first term. I believe it was James Carville (or Bill Clinton) that said "it's the economy stupid."