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The Real Reason Trump Won

Mock Turtle

Trump: The USA Brexit!
Premium Member
Donkeywash really.
I already responded here. This is my second bite.

Put the blame where it belongs. Junk came out from both sources.
A real voice can cut through the junk.
Trump's voice did!;)
How do you account for the historians voting Trump doing rather bad as to all other presidents - being placed last? Might your understanding of reality be misplaced?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Inflation may have gone down, but prices presumably haven’t. So if inflation has consistently outstripped wage increases (which has been the case for over a decade in most of the world), working people are still feeling the pain.
Do you have any solution? Wages ideally should match the inflation rate. Of course businesses have an interest in increasing profit margins, and this means a motive of higher prices, and less pay. But of course this means fewer able to buy things, so it's all a game of numbers.
That in itself doesn’t explain why Americans have elected a malignant narcissist, serial liar, and misogynistic conman as President, but it does explain why they wanted to punish the incumbents.
Because those who voted for the criminal don't understand economics, nor seem well educated or informed. This may be how things are until an economic and social collapse. Trump won't care. I'm not sure what he cares about. I doubt he is concerned about his legacy because he's shown no interest in his image thus far.
 

Mock Turtle

Trump: The USA Brexit!
Premium Member
Your opinion!
He might even get a nobel peace prize for ending the war.
We will see. Wait for it.
Not my opinion - it was by polling a large number of historians - who perhaps know much as to what other presidents did when they were in power, and comparing as to what Trump achieved.

 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Not my opinion - it was by polling a large number of historians - who perhaps know much as to what other presidents did when they were in power, and comparing as to what Trump achieved.

Given Trump's ideas it's as if not being at the bottom isn't bad enough for him. It's like he wants to be #1 worst president.

If Trump and his MAGA crew do what they are promising there will be a massive regret by voters. It is what our system allows, and most middle class, and certainly the poor, will suffer at varying degrees. It will get ugly. The question is how fast it will get ugly, and if any republicans defect from MAGA to stall legislation that will damage prosperity and/or stability.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
Not my opinion - it was by polling a large number of historians - who perhaps know much as to what other presidents did when they were in power, and comparing as to what Trump achieved.

It is a bad practice what you just did. Stop it!
I didn't say the historians' opinion as "your opinion".
I said - your opinion to your following comment
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Well, since he has been voted the worst (first try), he can only get about halfway up the list even if he is remarkable as to his second term.
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It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The "real reason" Trump won because collectively, America is a morally failed idiot now.

Americans are unfit to self-govern given the recent election results, and if the Republicans get the House, there will be no stopping them from dismantling the democracy and retooling America to serve Trump and whoever he feels it benefits him to assuage with tax cuts, tariffs, and other things that he doesn't understand or otherwise care about if they don't benefit him directly.

That is, they will not be self-governing except perhaps at the local level as with voting for local bonds, for example. The MAGA Republicans may hold sham national and possibly state level elections like Putin and other autocrats, but free and fair elections will become a thing of the past as soon as MAGA and Trump can arrange it.

Trump will be deciding how much of America's resources that he controls that Trump gets and how much America gets. It's not looking good for America or ordinary Americans.

Expect everything that does not benefit him to be as defunded as he can arrange. Expect assaults on your Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Obamacare.

Good luck getting FEMA relief. Those storms won't be getting any less frequent or gentler under Trump, but now you can expect paper towels.

And your insurance following such disaster? They'll say no to you whatever your policy, because without the government defending you from such practices, they know that they can get away with it. You know or should know by now that Trump will never stand with you if there's nothing in it for him. He'll pardon J6 conspirators because he thinks it makes HIM look less guilty if their acts are not considered crimes.

Otherwise, he'd never think about them again. He despises them like he mocks and despises all of the people who voted for him: Trump calls his supporters ‘basement dwellers’, says former press secretary
 
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Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Right wing media dominance.

Fauci Recalls Trump’s Final Enraged Call: “That F**ker Biden”

"Today, the right-wing media—Fox News (and the entire News Corp.), Newsmax, One America News Network, the Sinclair network of radio and TV stations and newspapers, iHeart Media (formerly Clear Channel), the Bott Radio Network (Christian radio), Elon Musk’s X, the huge podcasts like Joe Rogan’s, and much more—sets the news agenda in this country. And they fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win."

What do you think? Legitimate analysis? Or liberal hogwash?
It is both liberal hogwash and true. Because the Left cannot apply common sense and reasonableness and always has a doom and gloom mentality about the country, they are basically throwing easy softballs for Fox to hit out of the park with its biased coverage.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
If Trump won in 2020, would there have been price increases for groceries and everything else?
The mistake Biden and Harris made, was artificially causing the price of energy; fossil fuels, to increase. The entire supply chain and consumer base were impacted by the higher energy costs, since energy cost is part of everything. Trump would not have done that. This will be proven when Trump reverse this back and everyone gets a windfall via lower energy costs; more money in your pocket.

What I noticed, in the past election, the Left did not push manmade climate change. That slogan created a constant reminder of what caused inflation; green new deal and the inflation deduction act. It was not important in terms of voter concerns but it would have out a spot light on the DNC blunder that was of most concern.

I was watching a program by a Conservative TV personality Mark Levine. He spoke of the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution, which is connected to the office of President; Executive Branch, and that how Federal Law supersedes State Law.

The Supremacy Clause was a response to problems with the Articles of Confederation (the Articles), which governed the United States from 1781 to 1789. The Articles conspicuously lacked any similar provision declaring federal law to be superior to state law.

When Trump said he was running for President, the DNC States violated the Constitution, with their law fare. There are Federal laws that Protect the President as well as those seeking the office of President from arbitrary State Laws. The DNC was running illegal state driven scams, that violated the Supremacy clause, with goal of damaging candidate Trump. They assumed, once back in power, they could avoid prosecution for this crime. Now, that the DNC lost, they can be brought to justice for violating Federal Law. Trump ca use his DOJ and public funds to bleed the DNC crooks ,who violated his rights and the Supremacy Clause. This is enforcing the law.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Incorrect. Thanks for proving my point that Trump voters don't understand how things work.
Your going to find out in the next four years.

Thanks for proving Harris voters live in an insulated political bubble who resides in their own alternative reality.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Do you have any solution? Wages ideally should match the inflation rate. Of course businesses have an interest in increasing profit margins, and this means a motive of higher prices, and less pay. But of course this means fewer able to buy things, so it's all a game of numbers.

Because those who voted for the criminal don't understand economics, nor seem well educated or informed. This may be how things are until an economic and social collapse. Trump won't care. I'm not sure what he cares about. I doubt he is concerned about his legacy because he's shown no interest in his image thus far.


Well perhaps, but what I think you’re not seeing, is that the high handed contempt with which you and other Democrat supporters refer to Trump’s voters, is more than a little counterproductive. It appears to us outsiders that America is now so divided, that one half has no conception at all of how the other half lives; an appearance which reflects every bit as poorly on the judgemental as the judged.
 
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