The Real Reason Trump Won

[amorphous_constellation]

I didn't watch the trump or vance shows on rogan, but I can see why that would make them appear more compelling. I have noticed that many of the long-form podcasts probably are either Right, or Center leaning. The Left, in my view, has failed to put out speakers and thinkers that can carry their ideas into 3 hour time frames, and capture broad interest. If I listen to vaush and hasanabi on my hikes, for example, I personally get a demoralized feeling. I get that feeling from some on the right as well, but not quite as much, even if I can find reasons to moderately disagree with what they say. Overall, I think the Left has too much interest in guilt politics, so people steer clear. People want a prescription for what they can do, even if they admit they are flawed, since if you just focus on the 'flaws,' then this can fail to be good building material for the individual.

All of that said, I don't like the politics of either party. I personally think that the better view combines various talking points from both sides, and would include a clause that would enable one to be dynamic in view & action, depending on the needs of changing social contexts

 

[Valjean]

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Prove it!

Think about it. The inflation was/is worldwide. Echoing the economists, we've explained the major causes, and they don't include the President. We've shown you the facts and graphs. The inflation has been going down. The economy is strong. The facts and numbers indicate the Republican propaganda is fallacious. Where are you seeing errors?

Show us the facts and graphs indicating that Biden or the Democrats are responsible the inflation -- or any of the other Republican talking points. Don't just echo the propaganda your team is disseminating. Where are the actual, contrary facts? Numbers, please.

 

[Valjean]

I do think a lot of things impact the causes of increased prices and inflation. Certainly the Covid situation did, which I don’t necessarily think Trump handled correctly before he left office. Probably the economic situation here wouldn’t have gotten quite as bad had we not been sending trillions of dollars to sustain the war in Ukraine. I don’t think that war would have occurred in the first place had Trump been in office at the time.

How would Trump have averted the invasion?
Do you know of the history of invasions into Russia or the USSR, and what motivates Russia's expansionism?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I am feeling America is not ready for a female president.

It's ready. It's just you need a female with the proper qualifications and abilities to win people's confidence that she can effectively run the country and benefit one's fellow citizens. Technically however Harris was a potential president, and if something actually had happened to Biden , she would have been a president.

Given the second most powerful position in the country I would say you pretty much have gotten your wish except for the first spot.

 

[Twilight Hue]

T

Think about it. The inflation was/is worldwide. Echoing the economists, we've explained the major causes, and they don't include the President. We've shown you the facts and graphs. The inflation has been going down. The economy is strong. The facts and numbers indicate the Republican propaganda is fallacious. Where are you seeing errors?

Show us the facts and graphs indicating that Biden or the Democrats are responsible the inflation -- or any of the other Republican talking points. Don't just echo the propaganda your team is disseminating. Where are the actual, contrary facts? Numbers, please.

Do you know how freaking silly it sounds when people claim the inflation is doing great , when you have most people living paycheck to paycheck who can't even afford to put food on their table, or roof over their heads , and put something into savings anymore?

 

[Valjean]

Seems to fluctuate. One day it's the left, next day it's the right.

What propaganda has the Left been systematically disseminating, and to what end?
Of late, the Democratic milquetoasts have been capitulating at every turn, in a misguided effort not to be left behind as the country swings to the Right.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you know how freaking silly it sounds when people claim the inflation is doing great , when you have most people living paycheck to paycheck who can't even afford to put food on their table, or roof over their heads , and put something into savings anymore?

You speak of people's feelings about inflation
rather than what inflation actually is, which is
under 3% (last 12 months). Not bad, eh.

CPI Home

www.bls.gov

U.S. Inflation Rate by Year: 1929 to 2024

By looking at the inflation rate each year, you can gain insight into how prices changed and how events around the globe impacted the average U.S. consumer.

www.investopedia.com

 

[Twilight Hue]

You speak of people's feelings about inflation
rather than what inflation actually is, which is
under 3% (last 12 months). Not bad, eh.

CPI Home

www.bls.gov

U.S. Inflation Rate by Year: 1929 to 2024

By looking at the inflation rate each year, you can gain insight into how prices changed and how events around the globe impacted the average U.S. consumer.

www.investopedia.com

It means absolutely squat to me if I can't afford things.

 

[Revoltingest]

It means absolutely squat to me if I can't afford things.

That speaks to your personal work ethic, skill set,
& financial management. Not to the larger picture.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That speaks to your personal work ethic, skill set,
& financial management. Not to the larger picture.

Yeah you go and tell that to struggling people who do work hard and do their best that it is all their fault.

 

[InChrist]

How would Trump have averted the invasion?
Do you know of the history of invasions into Russia or the USSR, and what motivates Russia's expansionism?

I am somewhat familiar with the history and think it was actually the attempted expansion of NATO to include Ukraine, breaking previous treaties with Russia, that triggered the war… not Russia’s desire to expand territory. Possibly Trump would have taken a stand against NATO expansion and occupation at Russia’s border.


“If ever a war could easily have been avoided, the war in Ukraine is that war. If ever a war was needlessly provoked, the war in Ukraine is that war.

The war in Ukraine came about as a result of the Western powers’ single-minded insistence on scooping up every single country on the European continent into NATO, and on expanding the borders of NATO right up to the borders of the Russian Federation.

“The war in Ukraine came about because the Western powers for more than three decades continued to dismiss the innumerable pleas of successive Soviet and Russian leaders, including Mikhail Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin, that there could be no security for anyone on the continent unless the West and Russia agree on a common framework for peace that guarantees the freedom and security of all.”

“How do we know that this? Because former NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told us as much. In September 2023, Stoltenberg went before the European Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee and explained very succinctly that the war in Ukraine could have been avoided had NATO not insisted on moving its military infrastructure up to Russia’s borders. President Putin, he explained, had

“actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement….He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO….We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.”

“At the heart of Russia’s proposals was a commitment by NATO to no further expansion, and in particular to no NATO membership for Ukraine. There was nothing so extraordinary about that. In its 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty, Ukraine had declared “its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs.”

The notion propagated by NATO spokesmen and Western policymakers that every state has the sovereign right to join any military alliance it wants, to deploy whatever armaments it wants on its territory and to ignore the security concerns of its neighbors flies in the face of innumerable international treaties and covenants, not to mention the international practice of states since time immemorial.”

If ever a war could easily have been avoided, the war in Ukraine is that war. - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

Address to the U.N. Security Council, Oct. 31, 2024 Thank you, Madam President, and thank you for giving me this opportunity to address this distinguished body. If ever a war could easily have been avoided, the war in Ukraine is that war. If ever a war was needlessly provoked, the…

ronpaulinstitute.org

 

[Valjean]

These media organizations thrive because they are have a gullible base that are easily attracted to their content. Their emotions are manipulated in ways that are common in sales and marketing. If we had a citizenry that was more educted and skilled at critical thinking they would not be attracted to this type of media. The right is opportunistic and they are massively successful at it.

I have seen examples of this media and I recognize it as trash and not worthy my time. I learn about what these media groups present by some RF members who repeat it. They are indifferent to being made aware that their sources aren't reputable. They don't care. Being informed is not an interest for them.

The Republicans managed to repeal the Fairness Doctrine, and most of the regulations restricting ownership of multiple and mixed format media outlets. They're able to flood the airwaves with with self-serving talking points, lifestyle issues, and outright propaganda, while ignoring alternate viewpoints and substantive but "off-script issues. Journalists and news readers self-censor -- they know which side their bread's buttered on.

For decades the Right was able to provide free, 24h Right-wing talk radio thanks to media monopoly and corporate subsidies, whilst Left-wing media remained costly, and without the Fairness Doctrine no alternative views were mandated. Outside the major metropolitan areas Right-wing agitprop was ubiquitous.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Since abortion saves bucketloads of food for the table and

Wow

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah you go and tell that to struggling people who do work hard and do their best that it is all their fault.

When the economy is strong, inflation is low,
& jobs are plenty, those who fare poorly cannot
blame Biden simply because he's President.
Nor should they buy empty promises from
Trump that he will somehow do for them what
they don't do for themselves.

 

[Subduction Zone]

2 billion views. That's a bunch.
However that means even using the whole US population, around 1.7 billion weren't even Americans.

Not at all. That was for multiple videos. It was not just for one. Plus some people watched the videos more than once. For example I have my doubts that half of the members here have seen this one video, yet it has amassed 5.3 billion views:

I chose that because it was the first billion plus video on YouTube. This video was also very popular but has so far received a bit over a billion views:

 

[Valjean]

Easy to blame them. Ultimately, the Ds lost touch with the struggles and concerns of the average working folk. Trans rights? Unrestricted abortion? Unlimited money for oversees wars that are bull **** imperialism?

[**** Ukraine]

All nonsense for most voters trying to put food on thr table. If the Ds would be a bit less CLUELESS, they would have won.

IMHO.

PS: this is my last post here.

Praise be to God for all things.

As Thomas Frank's been pointing out for 20 years, the Democrats abandoned their working class base for the better funding they hoped to gain from the professional classes. The Republicans, ever the strategists, were quick to jump in with sympathetic commiseration, someone to blame, and simplistic solutions.
The chickens have come home to roost....

 

[Valjean]

I vehemently disagree with your assessment of Ukraine, but that is not what interests me the most, what interests me the most about your post is that you seem to think trans rights and abortion rob people of food on the table.

Since abortion saves bucketloads of food for the table and the cost of signing a law to protect human rights is insignificant in the scheme of the life it saves I would suggest your views are the product of far-right misinformation in my view.

There are also the social costs to consider: Unwed mothers having to abandon their education and plans for the future, and live at public expense -- along with their children -- for 18 years, generating the next underclass of misérables.

 

[danieldemol]

Wow

I note you have no argument, just incredulity in my view.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I note you have no argument, just incredulity in my view.

You are equating the murder of unborn children with groceries. Brother, you are better than that. Think - and I wish you well.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When the economy is strong, inflation is low,
& jobs are plenty, those who fare poorly cannot
blame Biden simply because he's President.
Nor should they buy empty promises from
Trump that he will somehow do for them what
they don't do for themselves.

It's not about jobs it's about the cost of living that the jobs that they have are not adequate to support them.

Used to be one job could support a whole household now people need two or even three jobs to support a household what does that tell you?

I know what it tells me is that something is really really wrong.