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The Real Reason Trump Won

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's not about jobs it's about the cost of living that the jobs that they have are not adequate to support them.
Wages have risen more than prices generally.
Perhaps inadequacy lies more in those who
can't make ends meet even in a strong economy.

Used to be one job could support a whole household now people need two or even three jobs to support a household what does that tell you?

I know what it tells me is that something is really really wrong.
Do you believe that Trump can solve this problem
of yours? What specifically will he do?
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You are equating the murder of unborn children with groceries. Brother, you are better than that. Think - and I wish you well.
No I'm not, I'm observing factually that less persons to divide resources amongst is more resources per person up to a point in my view.

And a termination is not murder unless it is done illegally in my view.

I would assert that there is no non-scriptural reason for preventing people terminating foetuses pre 22 weeks and I believe it can be unethical to follow scripture where it runs contrary to reason.

You might as well call me a wart murderer for having skin tags cut off for all the effect your hysteria has on me in my view.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Wages have risen more than prices generally.
Perhaps inadequacy lies more in those who
can't make ends meet even in a strong economy.


Do you believe that Trump can solve this problem
of yours? What specifically will he do?
First of all prices have far outpaced wages so that is really just the whole pile of bibbly for most middle class Americans.

And if you've been paying attention to the news, Trump knows as most other economists know, that you require energy in order to have a healthy economy , and I'm sure of course you heard somewhere someplace Trump's saying , "drill baby drill" along with reducing the restrictions on acquisition of energy reserves here in this country to make that happen.

That's why I think Trump can actually make it work and prices in this country will ease to the point people won't feel sticker shocked every time they go someplace.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Much of the presidency is luck, but the incumbent gets the credit/blame regardless. You can make the case that things would probably have been as bad under the other side, but they were definitely that bad under the incumbent.

If the economy is good, you don’t see people falling over themselves to take credit away from their side when in power and pointing out it would probably have been just as good under the opposition too.

People excuse their side and blame the other side when things are bad.

When things are good they praise their side or argue that things are good despite the other side, not because of them.

The incumbent gets the luck good or bad, and gets the consequences. Always has done always will do.
But history, and even a casual perusal of the facts, will reveal that one side usually creates a better economy and social programs, while the other undermines social benefits, funnels money up to benefit the already rich, and blames the opposition. The blame isn't equally distributed.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Your wish is my command.


And no, it's not invented like it is in your imagination.
Look at the 2022 to 2024 period in your link.
Wage growth exceeded inflation...after recovery
from Trump's reign.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Inflation is coming? inflation is already here. It's been here the last two and a half years as everything went to hell since the Biden Harris administration took over.

All I see is the truth when I go out shopping and trying to pay bills just like most everybody else in this country is.

You see the prices, but you're not seeing the causes. You're just blaming a politically convenient scapegoat.
You've seen the charts and numbers posted around RF. Are they lies? Is there some grand conspiracy afoot? "Everything went to Hell" under Trump. Under Biden they're now improving.

Yes, prices are still high, but they're coming down and the economy is now doing well -- generally better than the rest of the recovering world. Judging the whole economy by the price of eggs is simplistic, as is blaming a worldwide problem on Biden.
Get your head out of the sand and look at the numbers. Venture a little further and read the economic analyses. Biden and the Democrats did not crash the economy.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
It's not about jobs it's about the cost of living that the jobs that they have are not adequate to support them.

Used to be one job could support a whole household now people need two or even three jobs to support a household what does that tell you?

I know what it tells me is that something is really really wrong.
Yeah, technology is crucial to have if you are going to be a part of modern society, and the equipment and services cost money. Cars are more complicated, so cost more. The standards for housing have become more complicated, and more expensive. Yet wages have not kept up with the costs of living. But notice corporations are making record profit. Meanwhile the rich get better tax rates, and the average Joe citizen faces more taxes and fees. Do we even hear a conservative have a problem with money flowing to corporations, but not to workers?

If you disagree, you tell me what's wrong.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
First of all prices have far outpaced wages so that is really just the whole pile of bibbly for most middle class Americans.
The biggest increase in cost of living is technology. Some 40 years ago we had phone lines that cost $12 and ATT gave us the phone for free. Today the average phone is over $600 and monthly service around $70. And we need internet at what, maybe $80? And computers. And cars are vastly more complicated and more expensive. And housing is better and also more expensive to make them efficient. What is the solution, going back to 1960s level of technology so things are cheaper?
And if you've been paying attention to the news, Trump knows as most other economists know, that you require energy in order to have a healthy economy , and I'm sure of course you heard somewhere someplace Trump's saying , "drill baby drill" along with reducing the restrictions on acquisition of energy reserves here in this country to make that happen.
Apparently neiother of you know that it's oil companies that decide to drill. The government has already issued over 3000 drilling permits, but companies don't want to spend money to drill, and produce more oil that will lower the price. Don't you understand economics? Why would oil companies work harder to make less profit? They don't care about your money problems. They exist for their own interests, the same as Trump. He does not care about you. But he will exploit your ignorance and fear.
That's why I think Trump can actually make it work and prices in this country will ease to the point people won't feel sticker shocked every time they go someplace.
Yet you offer no facts or argument for this judgment of yours. Why don't you just work harder and make more money? Why rely on the government to take care of you?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you know how freaking silly it sounds when people claim the inflation is doing great , when you have most people living paycheck to paycheck who can't even afford to put food on their table, or roof over their heads , and put something into savings anymore?
Don't be a simpleton. There's more to the national economy than retail inflation, plus, as I pointed out, deflation's been decreasing under Biden.

People living paycheck to paycheck, and wage stagnation, began under Reagan, but the "job creators" created their jobs in Vietnam or Mexico, and the treasure never did "trickle down." I think you know which way it trickled.

Small government and free (of regulation) trade gave corporations carte blanche to squeeze consumers for whatever the market could bear. Before Republican deregulation, rents, education and healthcare were affordable. There were no tents in vacant lots or beggars on the corners.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
And if you've been paying attention to the news, Trump knows as most other economists know, that you require energy in order to have a healthy economy , and I'm sure of course you heard somewhere someplace Trump's saying , "drill baby drill" along with reducing the restrictions on acquisition of energy reserves here in this country to make that happen.

That's why I think Trump can actually make it work and prices in this country will ease to the point people won't feel sticker shocked every time they go someplace.
Do you think MAGA will be rational about energy production? At least Trump has an irrational hatred toward sustainable energy production.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
You speak of people's feelings about inflation
rather than what inflation actually is, which is
under 3% (last 12 months). Not bad, eh.


Inflation may have gone down, but prices presumably haven’t. So if inflation has consistently outstripped wage increases (which has been the case for over a decade in most of the world), working people are still feeling the pain.

That in itself doesn’t explain why Americans have elected a malignant narcissist, serial liar, and misogynistic conman as President, but it does explain why they wanted to punish the incumbents.
 

teage

Member
Right wing media dominance.

https://newrepublic.com/maz/post/188197/trump-media-information-landscape-fox

"Today, the right-wing media—Fox News (and the entire News Corp.), Newsmax, One America News Network, the Sinclair network of radio and TV stations and newspapers, iHeart Media (formerly Clear Channel), the Bott Radio Network (Christian radio), Elon Musk’s X, the huge podcasts like Joe Rogan’s, and much more—sets the news agenda in this country. And they fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win."

What do you think? Legitimate analysis? Or liberal hogwash?
Maybe calling ppl deplorable, nazis, and garbage, wasn't such a good idea. Maybe starting legal funds for freeing rioters while imprisoning the opposition rioters isn't such a good idea. Maybe forced closure of business under the guise of a "sniffle" wasn't such a good idea. Maybe democrats need to up their game.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Maybe calling ppl deplorable, nazis, and garbage, wasn't such a good idea. Maybe starting legal funds for freeing rioters while imprisoning the opposition rioters isn't such a good idea. Maybe forced closure of business under the guise of a "sniffle" wasn't such a good idea. Maybe democrats need to up their game.
Democrats like to think they're above the water line, but they're actually wallowing in sewage and they don't even know it aside from the most of the country who actually sees it.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
What do you think?

The Real Reason Trump Won​


Trump won, because he had a far better business plan, and a better implementation

Seeing "Trump in action" the previous month, as compared to Kamala, I was 100% sure that Trump was going to win
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Inflation may have gone down....
"May have"?
A little searching on the internet will show that it "definitely has".
....but prices presumably haven’t.
Again, searching quickly shows that
inflation is quite low, but not zero.
So if inflation has consistently outstripped wage increases (which has been the case for over a decade in most of the world), working people are still feeling the pain.
In the last 2 years, after recovering from Trump's
disastrous economic policy of paying people to
not work, wage gains exceeded inflation.
That in itself doesn’t explain why Americans have elected a malignant narcissist, serial liar, and misogynistic conman as President, but it does explain why they wanted to punish the incumbents.
Trump voters favored him because of tribal membership,
& reliance upon the false information he fed them.
"They're eating the pets!"
"Inflation is high!"
Also, Biden was a poor candidate...uninspiring & doddering.
Then he was replaced with his uninspiring DEI clone, Harris.
Trump didn't have much competition.
 

BrightShadow

Active Member
Right wing media dominance.

https://newrepublic.com/maz/post/188197/trump-media-information-landscape-fox

"Today, the right-wing media—Fox News (and the entire News Corp.), Newsmax, One America News Network, the Sinclair network of radio and TV stations and newspapers, iHeart Media (formerly Clear Channel), the Bott Radio Network (Christian radio), Elon Musk’s X, the huge podcasts like Joe Rogan’s, and much more—sets the news agenda in this country. And they fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win."

What do you think? Legitimate analysis? Or liberal hogwash?
Donkeywash really.
I already responded here. This is my second bite.

Put the blame where it belongs. Junk came out from both sources.
A real voice can cut through the junk.
Trump's voice did!;)
 
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