The reasons why Islamic women wear the Veil

[The Neo Nerd]

Religion has nothing to do with Culture.

Ohh wow.

Just wow.

 

[Estro Felino]

Ohh wow.

Just wow.

honey, then try to convince Jews about this, given that theirs is a culture, not a religion. and still they genuinely claim it is a religion

 

[The Neo Nerd]

honey, then try to convince Jews about this, given that theirs is a culture, not a religion. and still they genuinely claim it is a religion

I repeat

WOW

 

[TheGunShoj]

You are welcome. I've always admired Islamic rules and I do think that polygamy is marvelous. In fact we all know that men are naturally inclined to fall in love with more than a woman. That's why lots of men have mistresses.
Polygamy solves this issue: because I think that a man has the right to have two women . But as for sex, I hope Islam forces men to satisfy the two wives equally.

If a man has the necessary sexual strength to satisfy two women on the same night, he has the right to marry two women.
(I mean in the hypothesis that both wives feel like having sex that night. It would be unfair to leave either of them unsatisfied)

I see no problem with polygamy. I don't know why society feels the need to put so many restrictions on consenting adults. If five women are okay with being wives to the same man and that's what they want, what business is that of mine? Go for it.

But, it should also be an option for women to have multiple husbands if they so choose.

 

[beenie]

I see no problem with polygamy. I don't know why society feels the need to put so many restrictions on consenting adults. If five women are okay with being wives to the same man and that's what they want, what business is that of mine? Go for it.

But, it should also be an option for women to have multiple husbands if they so choose.

I agree; it's not for me, but who am I to say consenting adults can't decide for themselves if they want to share a spouse?

The only thing that bugs me about Islamic polygamy is that the husband doesn't have to ask the first wife before he takes on a second, or third... I find that deeply disturbing.

Furthermore, no evidence appears neither in the Qur’an nor sunnah requiring the permission of the first wife if her husband wishes to marry another wife, and therefore he is not required to ask her permission. However, he needs to be judicious in taking this decision and to weigh it carefully with respect to benefits and drawbacks and to look with the eye of wisdom at all of the considerations pertaining to the matter, and he should strive all he can to conciliate, reassure, and satisfy his first wife, in order to ease and mitigate the effect of the matter upon her.

Source

 

[Estro Felino]

The only thing that bugs me about Islamic polygamy is that the husband doesn't have to ask the first wife before he takes on a second, or third... I find that deeply disturbing.
Source

I find disturbing that women don't have the same right as men.
what's wrong if a woman has two husbands?

 

[TheGunShoj]

I find disturbing that women don't have the same right as men.
what's wrong if a woman has two husbands?

+1 Exactly.

 

[TheGunShoj]

I agree; it's not for me, but who am I to say consenting adults can't decide for themselves if they want to share a spouse?

The only thing that bugs me about Islamic polygamy is that the husband doesn't have to ask the first wife before he takes on a second, or third... I find that deeply disturbing.
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I find that disturbing as well. I was not aware of that rule pertaining to Islamic polygamy.

 

[Sabour]

One Answer

You did not answer my two questions:

I try to do that and I hope I am doing it right.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I try to do that and I hope I am doing it right.

So No and No.

It's alright. religious practises evolve over time.

Despite what Hay85 thinks, religion and culture are inextricably linked.

Basically what i am saying is do not judge others by the way they practise their religions. They may chose to embrace different parts of their faith, just like i am sure you do.

 

[Sabour]

So No and No.

It's alright. religious practises evolve over time.

Despite what Hay85 thinks, religion and culture are inextricably linked.

Basically what i am saying is do not judge others by the way they practise their religions. They may chose to embrace different parts of their faith, just like i am sure you do.

Difference in concepts and understanding thing do happen I agree. But there is a certain limit for that difference, you can't see people who are killing others and people who are peaceful and say that they both are practicing the same religion but this variation is because of interpretation difference.

One of them is clearly wrong.

I may understand that two won't agree about the veil and the Hijab, but killing people can't be interpreted from any religion because no religion teaches that.

 

[outhouse]

Difference in concepts and understanding thing do happen I agree. But there is a certain limit for that difference, you can't see people who are killing others and people who are peaceful and say that they both are practicing the same religion but this variation is because of interpretation difference.

One of them is clearly wrong.

I may understand that two won't agree about the veil and the Hijab, but killing people can't be interpreted from any religion because no religion teaches that.

have you ever thought that your religion takes so much heat, because of all the primitive fundamentalism in different areas that are extreme?

 

[dgirl1986]

I may understand that two won't agree about the veil and the Hijab, but killing people can't be interpreted from any religion because no religion teaches that.

Religious texts speaks about killing people who break the religious law

 

[Draupadi]

Think about it that way, if twin sisters are walking together, one wearing Hijab the Islamic way and one showing what she is got, at which one would stir and his imagination would start drifting? Please don't tell me it is the same !

Muslims are not stupid people who lack self control.Many men are stupid people who lack self control. Why you are giving that to muslim men only?

I am not with the concept of forcing it too.

Ahem both will be molested. They are twins and to the molesters their bodies matter not the clothes.

And as for the beating and covering part, men have it all easy. You beat your wife to 'show the seriousness of matter', but who will show you? Men are physically stronger so they can beat? OK I will carry a gun with me if I get married , because I am not a strong woman, to show him the way! Problem solved. And as for hijab, it never influences a person to be good. I know hijabis who fornicate. And why don't men cover their hair since they can be good-looking too?

And as for those men who think that women were born JUST to attract men with their beauty, look at women who controlled men without possessing any. Queen Victoria was not a beauty but she had a great control over her handsome husband Prince Albert. Prioritising women for their looks is one's personal choice, but don't make it a universal law for us. It is equally oppressing as preventing women from showing off their looks.

 

[gnostic]

Difference in concepts and understanding thing do happen I agree. But there is a certain limit for that difference, you can't see people who are killing others and people who are peaceful and say that they both are practicing the same religion but this variation is because of interpretation difference.

The difference in interpreting the text or passage may be different from one person to another, may because of the levels of understanding may differ from one person to another.

And I would agree with you to some extents, because of this.

But that's not always true.

The verses in some parts of the Qur'an are often vague, so it is open to interpretations of all sorts.

The text don't interpret itself. If it did, you would need a scholar to explain what this or that verse mean. And if it did, you wouldn't need some hadiths to explain what or comment on the ambiguous Qur'anic verses.

If the Qur'an is clear that woman must cover the whole head or part of the head, then it should say so, plainly. If it doesn't, then the verses should so, plainly. Either ways, it should state so clearly, in unambiguous manners.

Apparently it don't say so, because I seeing disagreements among the Muslims themselves. This is because the verses themselves don't interpret themselves.

 

[gnostic]

It's alright. religious practises evolve over time.

I tends to think so.

I also think that religion that doesn't evolve, become outdated and stagnated, they become slaves to customs and rituals that may seemed crude and cruel, as well as becoming biased and oppressive.

Despite what Hay85 thinks, religion and culture are inextricably linked.

I have always think so.

Culture means "a way of life" or "way of living". And religion become way of life for many.

People who pray at the dinner tables (like some Christians), or pray 5 times a day (like Muslims do), become way of life or customs for these people, hence it is part of their culture, as much as listening to music or the food they normally eat.

And the Qur'an don't just deal with narratives of prophets, prophecies, religious laws, morality and ethics, it deal with cultures as well, like not what to eat (pork for example).

With some countries or some communities/societies, ethnic cultures have become intertwined with their religion, some more so than others. For non-Muslims, like me, I find it sometimes hard to distinguish the two.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Culture is about the language, gestures, ideas, food, clothing, morals, ethics of a group of people.

Things which religion has a great amount of influence over.

And sometimes vice versa.