the religious Racial discrimination in Islam Teaching

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I don't think you understand racism and racial discrimination.

Hint; Arab Muslims discriminating against Arab Christians is not racial discrimination at all

Equality of the most important concepts of justice
Do you think that the distinction between people according to their religion education fair ????
Arab Christians term is not true
Because the Christians in the Middle East of the assets is not an Arab
And these were the natives
And you know well
The names of their assets Assyrians , Chaldeans and Syriacs and the Syrians and the Copts and the Pharaohs
The Berbers and Amazigh
But after the Islamic occupation to these countries they have been gradually eliminate them

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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Hint; Arab Muslims discriminating against Arab Christians is not racial discrimination at all

I want to ask you
Is Israel imposed tribute on the basis of the Arabs in Palestine ??

 

[JacobEzra.]

Read my posts.

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I want to ask you
Is Israel imposed tribute on the basis of the Arabs in Palestine ??

I don't understand what you're asking me

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

About the tribute (Jizyah) for Thimmah people:

Do you base your words on actual events or do you just run your imagination based on your understanding to what you read about it?

Do you know that those who can't pay it, don't have to?

Do you know that it's taken only from healthy and physically capable men who can fight, yet if those men join the force they don't pay it? Every single other that falls under other categories don't pay it.

Do you know it exists to go along with the annual alms Muslims pay?

Do you know that it is so small that it is around 1 dinar a year per the person it applies to, and only for himself? Yes, I said "himself" because women don't pay it.

Do you know it exists to have non-Muslims equal to Muslims in supporting the country? Yet it was way much less than the annual alms Muslims pay!

Did you compare it to the taxes payed in the West at all? The taxes that take from the poor more effectively than the rich, which is the complete other way around in Islam?

Do Muslim countries these days ask for it from non-Muslims? (someone please advise)

Do you know that at the times these tributes (Jizyah) existed, there was what was called the Monetary House of Muslims (rough translation), used to support those in need, that it included supporting non-Muslims equally?

Do you know that Muslims, if in charge, are obliged to defend non-Muslims? Thimmah means under protection, in case you do not know.

Does this Jizyah and Thimmah thing exist these days anyways?

Tribute differ from tax
In the state of the Koran in tribute private individuals and those Jews and Christians
Yes tribute was in Islamic countries until the beginning of the nineteenth century and the emergence of modern states with the help of Britain and France
But with control of the Islamic movements on the reins of power in any country tribute show as an application to the law of Islam because it is fixed in the Word of God
Do you want to cancel the word of God , my friend ????
This is the word of God to what you want to say it's not true
I wish you the right to speak
Because the courage to tell the truth also
Another evidence of racial and religious discrimination
The right of the state and called
There are Koranic verses and prevent a clear mandate of the non- Muslim over a Muslim
It includes all areas of life
The tribute and the right of the state are linked , one complements the other
Many of the non-Arabs here do not know the meaning of the right to state
For this reason a Christian can not be granted the right of jurisdiction over Muslim
Because he is second-class citizen
Take positions in the Islamic state has the right only Muslim
But what you see from some of the Arab ministers in nationalist regimes image is not true for the original state of the Islamic concept

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Read my posts.

I don't understand what you're asking me

Question clear
Is Israel ask the Palestinian Arabs ( tribute )
Because they are Muslims living in the Jewish religion and the state ruled Palestine ???

 

[Smart_Guy]

Tribute differ from tax
In the state of the Koran in tribute private individuals and those Jews and Christians
Yes tribute was in Islamic countries until the beginning of the nineteenth century and the emergence of modern states with the help of Britain and France
But with control of the Islamic movements on the reins of power in any country tribute show as an application to the law of Islam because it is fixed in the Word of God
Do you want to cancel the word of God , my friend ????
This is the word of God to what you want to say it's not true
I wish you the right to speak
Because the courage to tell the truth also
Another evidence of racial and religious discrimination
The right of the state and called
There are Koranic verses and prevent a clear mandate of the non- Muslim over a Muslim
It includes all areas of life
The tribute and the right of the state are linked , one complements the other
Many of the non-Arabs here do not know the meaning of the right to state
For this reason a Christian can not be granted the right of jurisdiction over Muslim
Because he is second-class citizen
Take positions in the Islamic state has the right only Muslim
But what you see from some of the Arab ministers in nationalist regimes image is not true for the original state of the Islamic concept

Please answer my questions first in an organized way and comment on them so we can advance further in this discussion.

For now, I'm willing to answer you anything but it has to be organized.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Finally , the participation of the Muslim infidels in one nation does not necessarily mean equality of rights and duties , but had to administration of justice and fairness to everyone, and justice does not mean equality in everything ; it means giving everyone his right , and his claim to perform what it of the duties , and the reference in determine the rights and duties is the law of God , it is not .

Link Thread : الرد المبين على من أجاز ولاية الكافر على المسلمين
This is a brief concept of the state
From some Muslim sites
This guide was used obliged only because I studied this concept in all its aspects jurisprudential
They continued racial discrimination and religious Islamic
And the seriousness of this concept

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Please answer my questions first in an organized way and comment on them so we can advance further in this discussion.

For now, I'm willing to answer you anything but it has to be organized.

Yes, I provided you answer
Before the first World War was the tribute paid by the Christian against his will to the Muslim ruler
But after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the emergence of modern states it has been replaced by another system
There were countries that carry the Arab nationalist thought as an alternative to Islamic thought
Although it was
, a tribute of the Ministry of Awqaf system where they were robbed of all Christians Awqaf and put them under state control and was the most harmful drug
I speak to you from my memory and I left a lot of books and I forgot their names before I left my
The oldest book in which you referring to the name of the Muslim way of dealing with non-Muslims during the Abbasid Caliphate
And the name of the book of the Christians during the Abbasid period

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

And also the oldest evidence of book you can download it on the net named ( the balance right ) comes down the author's name , a Belgian origin
And the history of printed book in the Arabic translation in 1890 AD
And referring to the way in which the payment of tribute from Iranian Christians
If I had enough time to made you the page number and the line also

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

However, there is a very important point here. This Dhimmi and Tribute thing was put as a regulation to manage social life for the Muslim countries. Now with all the advanced social inventions and development, I see it is completely not needed and I personally don't even recommend it. Times change and people change.

Just my thoughts and I don't mean any disrespect with it.

By the way, where is

Your personal situation is not saying
You know so well
Because you believe that the Koran is a good word of God it is valid in every time and place
Do you want to violation Dink ????
I'm here talking about education written in the Koran ?
Because I was living in an Arab country I know very well the meaning of this Education
I wish I could be honest with yourself
For Christ says what benefit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul
I hope to leave the world
Honestly and speak only

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Please answer my questions first in an organized way and comment on them so we can advance further in this discussion.

For now, I'm willing to answer you anything but it has to be organized.

There are doors doctrinal especially in dhimmis
And vary according to Islamic schools
That is to say that tolerance is the word void
Forgot your second part of the verse ( given tribute by the hand and they are humble )
Is the meaning of the word submissive know ???
It gives them the means by force and the sword above his head

 

[FearGod]

Question clear
Is Israel ask the Palestinian Arabs ( tribute )
Because they are Muslims living in the Jewish religion and the state ruled Palestine ???

The Palestinians won't pay because their lands are occupied by Israel and they don't support the Israeli government.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Mahasn,

Please not like that!

I can't follow anything you are saying!

You inserted so much random stuff all in one go and you're confusing every one here not just me.

Please refine your reply.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Hello Mahasn............ again!

Look.......... we have a multi-cultural society here with a massive mixture of race, colour, creed, religion and national-origin and we simply get bored with silly individuals who want to whip up any hatred or fear within one group ....for another.

For instance, if some freaked out fanatic started shouting hatred about a particular group in my local cafe, we'd just ask the proprietor to tell him to sod-off. We'd even help the proprietor to eject him if absolutely necessary. These maniacs can spoil a decent breakfast, you know.

The fact that we don't, won't, shan't put with extremists and terrorists doesn't extend to picking on whole groups of people, you know.

Where do you live?

We are talking about thought and ideology called Islam
A fixed ideology does not change
Do you discuss Islamic teachings is hatred ??
Where do I live ? I live outside national
These are personal matters which is beyond dialogue

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Mahasn,

Please not like that!

I can't follow anything you are saying!

You inserted so much random stuff all in one go and you're confusing every one here not just me.

Please refine your reply.

You are Muslim
You believe that the Word of God in the Koran fixed ??
Are you able to breach the Word of God and its provisions in the Koran ?
Dhimmi concept and the concept of the right of the state
From the provisions of the verses of the Koran
Are you able to issuing opinions that the Word of God in the Quran is not valid in this time ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The Palestinians won't pay because their lands are occupied by Israel and they don't support the Israeli government.

When the Arabs entered the Muslims to Iraq , Syria, Lebanon , Palestine and Egypt were these countries are not Arab, but the referee has become an Islamic poll tax imposed by force
Iranians were able to get rid of the poll tax because they converted to Islam
That is why the Arabs not been able to occupy that country actually
No tribute in Jewish law on religion
I think it's not from the teachings of the Torah
That is why Israel not impose this tribute to Muslims

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The Palestinians won't pay because their lands are occupied by Israel and they don't support the Israeli government.

Historically, the Israelis were of the indigenous population of Palestine
Why Muslims does not recognize this historic right to them ??

 

[Smart_Guy]

You are Muslim
You believe that the Word of God in the Koran fixed ??
Are you able to breach the Word of God and its provisions in the Koran ?
Dhimmi concept and the concept of the right of the state
From the provisions of the verses of the Koran
Are you able to issuing opinions that the Word of God in the Quran is not valid in this time ??

I don't understand, I'm not going against the word of God!

God did not order us to do it except when they can be helping and if we don't follow some things in Islam, God won't mind if there are no warnings against it.

I'm nor negating a thing He say, I only chose to not apply teachings that were put to help because now there are solutions and means that can achieve the cause they were put for.

There are regulations put so we can use to live our lives and there is no harm in leaving it if that does not hurt.

Islam and most Muslims are not radical to demonize non Muslims by become extremist in some regulations.

Also, it is not like Christians for example follow Christianity 100% to criticize me this way you know. Or is it just Muslims and Islam that are okay for you to criticize?

 

[FearGod]

When the Arabs entered the Muslims to Iraq , Syria, Lebanon , Palestine and Egypt were these countries are not Arab, but the referee has become an Islamic poll tax imposed by force
Iranians were able to get rid of the poll tax because they converted to Islam
That is why the Arabs not been able to occupy that country actually
No tribute in Jewish law on religion
I think it's not from the teachings of the Torah
That is why Israel not impose this tribute to Muslims

Israel oppresses the Palestinians in daily basis, one example known to the whole world is the biggest prison in history
which is the Gaza strip.

You support the oppressor and that tells what kind of person you're.

 

[FearGod]

Historically, the Israelis were of the indigenous population of Palestine
Why Muslims does not recognize this historic right to them ??

Why not to recognize it as a christian state ?
Christians were and still in Palestine too.