the religious Racial discrimination in Islam Teaching

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Israel oppresses the Palestinians in daily basis, one example known to the whole world is the biggest prison in history
which is the Gaza strip.

You support the oppressor and that tells what kind of person you're

Of Israel's right to defend itself and its existence by all means possible ??
Why does not recognize the Arabs and the Palestinians in the State of Israel ?
Israel wants peace
Why does not accept the Palestinians in peace ??
That he did Muslims in the Iraqi city of Mosul about a year ago
The most terrible of all what Israel is doing with the Palestinians
History has not seen the displacement and persecution campaign roughest of this
So I consider Israel is the best in the mercy of Muslims
In the sixties of the last century, President Gamal Abdel Nasser announced that he will deliver Israel into the sea ?
Why ??
In the literature of Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip is to remove Israel from existence ?
And the destruction of Israel ?
What do you want Israel to do ??
Offering roses to Hamas and Hamas followers ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

US here. I think we'll get where you are sooner rather than later. We're very screwed up at the moment, but we're working on straightening it out. If we can figure out that other countries manage to focus on their people rather than "spreading democracy" I think we'll make our biggest step forward in decades.

Islam does not know democracy and also does not recognize in the Democratic
Democracy means rule of the people
While Islam is the Shura
And that the Koran and Islamic law is better than humanitarian laws
Religious discrimination and the right of the state has offered
Do you think that religion in which these laws fit for the establishment of a democratic system ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Tribute as in tax?

See if you actually read my posts youd have your answer.

Jizya tax is not ??
It robbed the money on the basis of religion?
A Muslim does not pay tribute ??
Christian pays tribute which slavishly ??
Are there laws in secular states to distinguish between citizens according to DIN standard ????
Religious discrimination and racism and discrimination in Islam are in the following label ( dhimmi )
The dhimmi second-class citizen according to Islamic law
Quranic verse that announced tribute
With Quranic verses which does not allow the state of non- Muslim over a Muslim characteristic of racial and religious discrimination in the Islamic law

 

[JacobEzra.]

Jizya tax is not ??
It robbed the money on the basis of religion?
A Muslim does not pay tribute ??
Christian pays tribute which slavishly ??
Are there laws in secular states to distinguish between citizens according to DIN standard ????
Religious discrimination and racism and discrimination in Islam are in the following label ( dhimmi )
The dhimmi second-class citizen according to Islamic law
Quranic verse that announced tribute
With Quranic verses which does not allow the state of non- Muslim over a Muslim characteristic of racial and religious discrimination in the Islamic law

You're preaching to the choir

 

[Augustus]

I don't think you understand racism and racial discrimination.

Hint; Arab Muslims discriminating against Arab Christians is not racial discrimination at all

That's a bit like saying European Germans couldn't be racist against European Slavs.

The kaafir in the muslim land paid far less than a muslim had to pay. Zakaat is more than Jizyah.

Untrue.

Historically, the Jizya was mostly punitive being significantly higher than Zakat. Certain early rulers actually tried to stop people from converting to Islam as it was damaging their tax base. Many people converted to Islam out of convenience rather than belief due to the Jizya.

It is a nonsense to thing that a proselytising religion would actually make converts much worse off than those who stayed loyal to their old faith. "Hey become a Muslim and you can pay more tax and do military service..."

Jizya was simply a tax on conquered people - tribute - like the Romans and Persians and many others applied when they conquered peoples. People who collaborated withe the conquerers were often freed from it despite still being 'Kaafir', as were the countless non-Muslims who served in the Arab armies. Collecting tribute seemed to be one of the few things that the early conquerers cared about, certainly more than spreading a new religion, about which the conquered people seemed completely unaware of for decades

Over time it evolved into something more suitable for fixed empires, where the 'Kaafir' were 2nd class citizens who were to be treated as such (at various times: special clothing, no weapons, sit sideways on a mule/horse like a woman, etc) not shown favouritism.

The Palestinians won't pay because their lands are occupied by Israel and they don't support the Israeli government.

Land disputes are very strange things. If "we" owned that land at any point in history then it is "ours" for ever. If we stole it off someone else previously, it wasn't theft as "we" are its rightful owners. If "they" owned the land in the past but "we" do now, we get to keep it because it is "ours". If "they" own the land now but "we" used to own it then "they" are illegal occupiers who need to be destroyed.

Mehmet II is a Muslim hero for conquering a succession of militarily weaker states to subjugate them. To others he is a monster. To many, the Zionists defeated numerous stronger states to establish a homeland to others they are treacherous parasites. Land disputes and territorial conquests are far more about "us" and "them", rather than right/wrong or objective evaluations of morality and value. For you: Muslim conquests = good; non-Muslim conquests = Crusader-Zionist scum.

Certainly Israel is responsible for finding an equitable solution for the Palestinians and is morally responsible for the oppression of these people and can be rightly criticised for many, many actions. It is not a uniquely illegitimate state though.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I hope to shirk candid answer
Islam is a religion and state
And the laws of Islam
Are my words clear
Tribute from the state and the right of the Islamic religion laws
Are my words clear
Special tribute in a certain category only
Christians and Jews
Are my words clear
Do you think that this just law ???
If Britain imposed a tax on its name tribute Muslims only because they migrated
Do you think that this law will be fair ??
I view the matter and bearing in mind the balance ???
When Britain declared state or other discrimination among citizens on the DIN standard Why is it called that law ???
He uses religious discrimination ??
This is the reality in the Islamic religion ??
The tribute is one of the means of coercion used in previous centuries to conquer the people to convert to Islam ??
When Christian not be able to pay tribute to the Muslim ruler take his children from him and sell them in the slave markets

Nice poem

...tho it changed pace somewhere about in the middle.

If whatever is imposed on Muslims in non-Muslim countries is on the same level as this Dhimmi thingy, then by all means, I welcome it and I personally could move to whatever country starts it.

Someone lied to you and gave you wrong information such as, and as one example only as there are more, the red highlighted in your post quoted above.

Wait, I think you missed a point I mentioned which was that (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) official Muslim countries now don't use this Dhimmi thingy anymore. It is not needed any more since people changed these days and I don't think local-to-a-Muslim-country non-Muslims now want to seriously end the Islamic rule in it.

 

[FearGod]

Palestine was under Romanian control
To the occupation of Muslims
And Christians in Palestine did not declare Palestine a Christian state because they knew that the Jews of the indigenous population of the country
And I want to add to your information
The Palestinians are not of Arab assets also
History says that the Palestinians have emigrated to Palestine from the island of Crete
But after the Islamic occupation to Palestine
Arabs and Muslims have become
And the Al-Aqsa mosque is in the origin of the Jewish Temple which was destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD
And after the church was built on its ruins and the church turned into Al-Aqsa mosque, one of the myths of Muslims

Jews were in Egypt before God offering them the new land, that was before thousands of years ago.
How that is an enough reason for them to take the land by force from people living in Palestine for hundreds of years, Zionists
came actually from their lands in Russia, Europe and other parts of the world claiming that Palestine were their lands before thousands of years ago, is that
a good reason to take the land by force.

 

[FearGod]

Of Israel's right to defend itself and its existence by all means possible ??
Why does not recognize the Arabs and the Palestinians in the State of Israel ?
Israel wants peace
Why does not accept the Palestinians in peace ??
That he did Muslims in the Iraqi city of Mosul about a year ago
The most terrible of all what Israel is doing with the Palestinians
History has not seen the displacement and persecution campaign roughest of this
So I consider Israel is the best in the mercy of Muslims
In the sixties of the last century, President Gamal Abdel Nasser announced that he will deliver Israel into the sea ?
Why ??
In the literature of Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip is to remove Israel from existence ?
And the destruction of Israel ?
What do you want Israel to do ??
Offering roses to Hamas and Hamas followers ??
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Because they're invaders and occupiers, Palestine will never be a safe place for them, for some times yes but not for all times.
Britain stayed in India and in several parts of the world, but can they stay for ever in the occupied lands, they can for a specific
period of time and peace won't be guaranteed.

 

[FearGod]

That's a bit like saying European Germans couldn't be racist against European Slavs.



Untrue.

Historically, the Jizya was mostly punitive being significantly higher than Zakat. Certain early rulers actually tried to stop people from converting to Islam as it was damaging their tax base. Many people converted to Islam out of convenience rather than belief due to the Jizya.

It is a nonsense to thing that a proselytising religion would actually make converts much worse off than those who stayed loyal to their old faith. "Hey become a Muslim and you can pay more tax and do military service..."

Jizya was simply a tax on conquered people - tribute - like the Romans and Persians and many others applied when they conquered peoples. People who collaborated withe the conquerers were often freed from it despite still being 'Kaafir', as were the countless non-Muslims who served in the Arab armies. Collecting tribute seemed to be one of the few things that the early conquerers cared about, certainly more than spreading a new religion, about which the conquered people seemed completely unaware of for decades

Over time it evolved into something more suitable for fixed empires, where the 'Kaafir' were 2nd class citizens who were to be treated as such (at various times: special clothing, no weapons, sit sideways on a mule/horse like a woman, etc) not shown favouritism.



Land disputes are very strange things. If "we" owned that land at any point in history then it is "ours" for ever. If we stole it off someone else previously, it wasn't theft as "we" are its rightful owners. If "they" owned the land in the past but "we" do now, we get to keep it because it is "ours". If "they" own the land now but "we" used to own it then "they" are illegal occupiers who need to be destroyed.

Mehmet II is a Muslim hero for conquering a succession of militarily weaker states to subjugate them. To others he is a monster. To many, the Zionists defeated numerous stronger states to establish a homeland to others they are treacherous parasites. Land disputes and territorial conquests are far more about "us" and "them", rather than right/wrong or objective evaluations of morality and value. For you: Muslim conquests = good; non-Muslim conquests = Crusader-Zionist scum.

Certainly Israel is responsible for finding an equitable solution for the Palestinians and is morally responsible for the oppression of these people and can be rightly criticised for many, many actions. It is not a uniquely illegitimate state though.

The world today is different than what it was thousands of years ago, there were no passports, no visas and people were able to travel any where they wanted.
Palestine was a land among the Arab lands before being token by force by the Zionists supported by the west during the 20th century till our recent days.

 

[Marisa]

Islam does not know democracy and also does not recognize in the Democratic
Democracy means rule of the people
While Islam is the Shura
And that the Koran and Islamic law is better than humanitarian laws
Religious discrimination and the right of the state has offered
Do you think that religion in which these laws fit for the establishment of a democratic system ??

I'm not entirely certain what you're asking me, so I'll just make a statement. I believe that theocracy is the most decrepit form of government that can be instituted. I really don't make any distinction between anyone's version of the Abrahamic god or any other gods, I think we have sufficient history to show that when religion rules, things get crappy very quickly. Were it not for humanitarian laws, where the best interests of people are placed on a higher level than the interests of what that guy over in the corner understands (insert holy book here) to mean, we'd still have capital punishment for women who aren't virgins, capital punishment for apostasy, slavery, and women traded like pieces of property. Now, you may think those are mighty fine laws, but let me assure you as the possessor of a vagina, that if you try to kill me I might just try to kill you right back, and you can just give up the notion that I am anyone's property, nor do I accept that you know what's good for me better than I do. I think those things are immoral, and any god who endorses them should be killed outright. In terms of rights for women, which are very dear to me as a woman, religious rule is the worst possible government under which to live.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Untrue.

Historically, the Jizya was mostly punitive being significantly higher than Zakat. Certain early rulers actually tried to stop people from converting to Islam as it was damaging their tax base. Many people converted to Islam out of convenience rather than belief due to the Jizya.

It is a nonsense to thing that a proselytising religion would actually make converts much worse off than those who stayed loyal to their old faith. "Hey become a Muslim and you can pay more tax and do military service..."

Jizya was simply a tax on conquered people - tribute - like the Romans and Persians and many others applied when they conquered peoples. People who collaborated withe the conquerers were often freed from it despite still being 'Kaafir', as were the countless non-Muslims who served in the Arab armies. Collecting tribute seemed to be one of the few things that the early conquerers cared about, certainly more than spreading a new religion, about which the conquered people seemed completely unaware of for decades

Over time it evolved into something more suitable for fixed empires, where the 'Kaafir' were 2nd class citizens who were to be treated as such (at various times: special clothing, no weapons, sit sideways on a mule/horse like a woman, etc) not shown favouritism.

Thank you -
When you want to know any ideology, looking in the literature and the teachings of that ideology
Islamic ideology and also
It is the most important teachings of the Islamic ideology is a tribute
Because of this unjust Education enables Islam to convert large numbers to the Muslim religion
This is true
But the question is why Muslims try to deny and mislead people
And of them say it's a tax and it is not suitable in this day and age
They Atnaqdon with their ideology
The purpose is to mislead people

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Nice poem

...tho it changed pace somewhere about in the middle.

If whatever is imposed on Muslims in non-Muslim countries is on the same level as this Dhimmi thingy, then by all means, I welcome it and I personally could move to whatever country starts it.

Someone lied to you and gave you wrong information such as, and as one example only as there are more, the red highlighted in your post quoted above.

Wait, I think you missed a point I mentioned which was that (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) official Muslim countries now don't use this Dhimmi thingy anymore. It is not needed any more since people changed these days and I don't think local-to-a-Muslim-country non-Muslims now want to seriously end the Islamic rule in it.

Dhimmi concept is used in multi-religious areas , which is where the ruling Muslim
This Alambda of the teachings of Islam in the discrimination between people on the DIN standard
We assume that Islam was able to assume power in Britain
It will be the standard to distinguish between people is a religion and not a home
Not all British converts to Islam will become a dhimmi , even if one was the son of the former kings of Britain

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Jews were in Egypt before God offering them the new land, that was before thousands of years ago.
How that is an enough reason for them to take the land by force from people living in Palestine for hundreds of years, Zionists
came actually from their lands in Russia, Europe and other parts of the world claiming that Palestine were their lands before thousands of years ago, is that
a good reason to take the land by force.

Koran shut your mind and not be able to think freely
The children of Israel in Egypt when they were guests of the Pharaohs
Egypt and drove off into the land which Jehovah granted them
Do you want a lesson in history

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The world today is different than what it was thousands of years ago, there were no passports, no visas and people were able to travel any where they wanted.
Palestine was a land among the Arab lands before being token by force by the Zionists supported by the west during the 20th century till our recent days.

Your thinking is too narrow and limited verses of the Koran
Visa and Passport are because of development and because of the ease of movement the means of transport are beasts
The countries able to protect its borders
And Maha development time Islam does not develop because he put people one idea
Koran came from heaven, which is the word of God
So islam will remain behind
And your mind will remain within the template of the snow and need a strong sun melts the ice of your mind so that he can work and think freely

 

[FearGod]

Koran shut your mind and not be able to think freely
The children of Israel in Egypt when they were guests of the Pharaohs
Egypt and drove off into the land which Jehovah granted them
Do you want a lesson in history

There is no evidence in history for the existence of Israel but after the born of their state during Moses's era, if you have an evidence
then give me a lesson in history.

 

[FearGod]

Your thinking is too narrow and limited verses of the Koran
Visa and Passport are because of development and because of the ease of movement the means of transport are beasts
The countries able to protect its borders
And Maha development time Islam does not develop because he put people one idea
Koran came from heaven, which is the word of God
So islam will remain behind
And your mind will remain within the template of the snow and need a strong sun melts the ice of your mind so that he can work and think freely

Israel took the land by force, they came from their original lands in Africa, Europe & Asia claiming that they have the right to take Palestine because their grandfathers lived once in the land.

Your comparison that Muslims invaded some lands before 1400 years ago is a stupid one.

 

[JoStories]

Well I'm not American and don't know their system that well. For us, we have a social security safety net for poor, refugees, elderly and incapable people. Education is free up to master's degree with basic necessities provided, so people can be poor but their children have some equality in opportunity.

The US system isn't the way we have it. We have very few homeless for example. Even drug addicts and such are cared for by the government.

And IMO, yours is the much better system and why I pretty much loathe what we have here in the U.S. And also why we, as a country, we are failing. Our outlook on r type of people you mention is so prehistoric, it boggles the mind. As a nurse, I'm beyond disgusted with our country. May I ask where you live jumi?

 

[JoStories]

I'm sorry I'm Muslim

Why? I know many Muslims who are amazing people. There is no shame in being a Muslim smart guy. I don't hold you responsible for the things the extremists of your faith are doing dear. That, IMO, is bigotry. It's like saying all blacks are criminals. Or all Jewish people are greedy. Or all native americans are drunks. (We're not!). It's ridiculous in the extreme.

 

[Jumi]

And IMO, yours is the much better system and why I pretty much loathe what we have here in the U.S. And also why we, as a country, we are failing. Our outlook on r type of people you mention is so prehistoric, it boggles the mind. As a nurse, I'm beyond disgusted with our country.

I think there's a lot to fix in every country.

Our problems are different, but I like the idea that some people are given housing so they are not pushed into a situation where they have nothing to lose. Where jail is a better option, because at least you have a roof and food and some basic medical aid.

Sure there are people who fall through the safety net and sometimes queue times to public cheap dentistry or surgery are unacceptably long if you don't have money to go to a private dentist. One time I had to wait for one month to get to a dentist when I didn't have enough money to go to a private one, but at least it's better than nothing.

The bureaucracy can be unforgiving if you quit your job for any reason, don't go to school or quit school(if you are under 25) or if you are unemployed don't accept a job offered to you.

May I ask where you live jumi?

Finland.

 

[Jumi]

Edit: Danish! The one from other forums was Danish

That's OK, I like Danish people.