The Republicans are the Problem

[tytlyf]

So, the government that knows basically nothing about the business overrules the years of experience of a person in the business. GET THE DAMN GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THE COUNTRY THRIVE.

Sorry, if you can't make it with necessary regulations then you shouldn't be running a business. Regulations are in place to prevent the Bushy meltdown. Bushy like to de-regulate and just let everyone do whatever they want. Same with Trojan Horse Willard. You know why times have been tough the past 4 years? It's called a recession, and recessions have consequences. Things are on the up and up, it just depends if you want to fact check that or not.

 

[Magic Man]

Well Matt, I feel like I am waiting on a bus that is not on the way. I have rode out many recessions in the past, but not like this one.

Which is not surprising considering it's called the worst one since the Great Depression.

Doubling down on Obama seems like an exercise in insanity.

In what way? Things are better than when he came into office. They're not 100% better now, but the trend is steadily up. The unemployment rate has gone down consistently for the past couple years and is lower now than it was when he took office.

Sure, it's going slowly, but it was a huge financial crisis that affected the whole world. That's not something that's going to get cleaned up in a matter of a few years. I'm not saying Obama has done the best job; maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. I'm just saying if you stick with him, it's likely things will continue to improve the way they have the past couple years.

Considering Romney's ideas, there's no reason to believe things will improve faster or better with him. Of course, I won't be voting for either of them anyway.

Yes, I have hope the good times will return, but the dream is slowly fading away. My last hope is to see another Republican in office that understands the challenges small business faces each and every day.

Why do you think Romney understands those challenges? He's never owned a small business.

I'm to the point of just saying, why bother any more? Retirement is looking better and better to me each and every day.

Myself and many others are just waiting on the election results to decide to pull the plug or not.

Yes, I know your usual argument. "Well, my friends and I are going to take our ball and go home." I'll give you my usual response. Good, go. If something like this makes you feel the need to quit your business, go retire. There are plenty of others not gullible to fall for this kind of fear-mongering who will gladly pick up the slack.

 

[Magic Man]

Sorry, if you can't make it with necessary regulations then you shouldn't be running a business. Regulations are in place to prevent the Bushy meltdown. Bushy like to de-regulate and just let everyone do whatever they want. Same with Trojan Horse Willard.

Actually, to be fair, the deregulation that caused the financial crisis and recession started under Clinton.

 

[tytlyf]

Myself and many others are just waiting on the election results to decide to pull the plug or not.

Think of it this way between the 2 candidates. Obama wants to help the middle and lower class by cutting taxes and increasing taxes on the wealthy.
Romney wants to tax the middle and lower class and give the wealthy tax breaks.

When it comes to business, if you don't have customers, you don't make it long. If the middle and lower class doesn't have disposable income on top of living expenses, you won't see customers. Romney wants to take more money out of the customer pocket. So expect your business and customer base to have less money under Romney. Less $ = Less Business.

Would you agree that the middle class creates the jobs in the economy?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So, the government that knows basically nothing about the business overrules the years of experience of a person in the business. GET THE DAMN GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THE COUNTRY THRIVE.

Oh come now. Remember it was the government who deregulated that partially led to the situation we were in.

As I've shown....regulations aside. Many lenders are now lending and reporting profits. These regulations aren't hurting as much as you seem to contend...especially in the housing market...

Obama-Fueled Mortgages Boost Profit at U.S. Home Lenders - Businessweek

"Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) and JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), the largest U.S. home lenders, will post third-quarter profit buoyed by government policies intended to help borrowers. "

"“Government policy is encouraging banks to make mortgages, and they want to keep it that way,” said Nancy Bush, an analyst and contributing editor at SNL Financial LC, a bank-research firm in Charlottesville, Virginia. “For them it’s sort of a beneficent cycle right now."

Like I said...I'm right here in VA...and see it getting better first hand. We're not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination but the signs of growth are good.

:sad:

 

[Einstimer]

I don't think the entire Republican party is at fault. I say this as a strong liberal. For example Olympia Snowe is a not half bad at all.

I think it is the extremists. Unfortunately the extremists occupy a very prominent position within the party.

 

[tytlyf]

I think it is the extremists. Unfortunately the extremists occupy a very prominent position within the party.

The extremists are the Tea representatives that were voted in in 2010. After that, congress went downhill. Congress is responsible for the economy. People voted based on fear and propaganda. And what are we left with after 2 years? An even slower recovery than we could have had if things were left put.

This is why it's dangerous to vote based on 'values'. You think you're doing the right thing but in the end you should have known better.

 

[esmith]

The extremists are the Tea representatives that were voted in in 2010. After that, congress went downhill. Congress is responsible for the economy. People voted based on fear and propaganda. And what are we left with after 2 years? An even slower recovery than we could have had if things were left put.

This is why it's dangerous to vote based on 'values'. You think you're doing the right thing but in the end you should have known better.

Extremism is measured from a baseline set by that persons ideas and beliefs. Someone from left of center-left values and ideas make the TEA party right extremist Whereas a person with views to the right of right-center makes the TEA party moderates. So it all depends on where you set the baseline for the measurement.

 

[tytlyf]

Extremism is measured from a baseline set by that persons ideas and beliefs. Someone from left of center-left values and ideas make the TEA party right extremist Whereas a person with views to the right of right-center makes the TEA party moderates. So it all depends on where you set the baseline for the measurement.

The tea party was not represented at the RNC. They ignored them. They wouldn't be so extreme if their religion wasn't such a huge part of how they vote.

 

[Alceste]

Well Matt, I feel like I am waiting on a bus that is not on the way. I have rode out many recessions in the past, but not like this one. Doubling down on Obama seems like an exercise in insanity.

Yes, I have hope the good times will return, but the dream is slowly fading away. My last hope is to see another Republican in office that understands the challenges small business faces each and every day.

I'm to the point of just saying, why bother any more? Retirement is looking better and better to me each and every day.

Myself and many others are just waiting on the election results to decide to pull the plug or not.

You can retire. I give you my permission! In fact, it's rather important to upcoming generations that the baby boomers who can afford it retire, so that all those remaining tasty middle class jobs they are occupying are freed up. Somewhere there is a competitor who will take on whatever demand your retirement frees up, and another employer who will take on your staff.

Demand for the services you provide is what creates your job, and the jobs of your employees. Demand will not be affected if all the disgruntled republicans retire after Obama is reelected. Only supply can be affected by the mass retirement of angry republicans. Wherever there is demand, there is someone who is chomping at the bit to become a supplier.

Or do you really think that once you retire, all your clients are going to say "phooey, Rick retired. I guess there's no point building anything any more"?

 

[esmith]

The tea party was not represented at the RNC. They ignored them. They wouldn't be so extreme if their religion wasn't such a huge part of how they vote.

What makes you assume that religion is their driving motivation. I am pretty sure it's
T(axed) E(nough)A(lready). Seems to me they don't like big government or taxes.

 

[Alceste]

What makes you assume that religion is their driving motivation. I am pretty sure it's
T(axed) E(nough)A(lready). Seems to me they don't like big government or taxes.

For the most part, they are conservative Christians who don't believe in evolution, women's reproductive rights, global warming, etc. and believe legislation should be based on some unholy union of the Bible and the Constitution. I don't know how Americans managed to end up with a Congress that is eagerly looking forward to the apocalypse, but that's what you've got.

 

[Shermana]

it's rather important to upcoming generations that the baby boomers who can afford it retire, so that all those remaining tasty middle class jobs they are occupying are freed up.

^^^ For the win.

I should make a whole thread comparing how easy the Boomers had it and how they're hoarding the investment capital and locking down all the decent jobs.

 

[Revoltingest]

^^^ For the win.
I should make a whole thread comparing how easy the Boomers had it and how they're hoarding the investment capital and locking down all the decent jobs.

Hoarding? None of the boomers I know have anything to hoard.
We're spending it as fast as it comes in.

 

[Shermana]

Hoarding? None of the boomers I know have anything to hoard.
We're spending it as fast as it comes in.

Maybe I'm too used to my rich Socal suburbs.

 

[Alceste]

^^^ For the win.

I should make a whole thread comparing how easy the Boomers had it and how they're hoarding the investment capital and locking down all the decent jobs.

Yeah, there's a big demographic problem here, and some intergenerational tension. Part of it is the fact that there seem to be no good jobs for young people any more, but if you step up a generation, most people seem to have it pretty good. They earn decent money, live in their own fancy houses, most of which are paid off, and have retirement savings. In general, they entered whatever career path allowed them the resources to build up that cushy life much earlier than later generations are able to, bought their first house in their twenties, etc. Meanwhile, house prices are enormously inflated due to the dominance of baby boomers in the housing market. They have the freedom to trade amongst themselves without feeling in the least bit troubled that very few new buyers are entering the market, because we simply can't earn enough to get into the game.

So, many young people around here are kind of looking forward to the baby boomers retiring, moving into old folks homes, and even dying off, even though the tax burden of supporting this glut of retired old folks through their various ailments is going to mean most of us will ever be able to retire at all. When they retire, jobs will be freed up. When they move into old folks homes, property prices will normalize. When they die off, the burden they place on the struggling health care system will be alleviated. Sounds like a pretty good deal, right?

It's the flip side to the "kids these days are lazy and entitled" poison you hear going in the other direction.

Personally, I think we (baby boomers and their kids) need each other. I'd like to see more cooperation and collaboration between the generations, particularly in the area of affordable housing. The boomers pretty much own everything, and if their kids are bled dry just trying to keep a roof over their heads, they will not have the resources to care for their parents when their parents can no longer care for themselves.

 

[tytlyf]

What makes you assume that religion is their driving motivation. I am pretty sure it's
T(axed) E(nough)A(lready). Seems to me they don't like big government or taxes.

Romney will tax the middle-lower class more than Obama. Sounds like they want more taxes to me. Unless they make over $250k a year. If a TP member made over $250k per year than they would see less taxes. I don't think many in the TP make the amount required to be taxed enough already less.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Hoarding? None of the boomers I know have anything to hoard.
We're spending it as fast as it comes in.

Amen Rev! My bank account looks like the tide on the beach. A bunch of money rushes in and in moments it rushes back out. There is no comfort zone anymore like the good ol days.

 

[esmith]

For the most part, they are conservative Christians who don't believe in evolution, women's reproductive rights, global warming, etc. and believe legislation should be based on some unholy union of the Bible and the Constitution. I don't know how Americans managed to end up with a Congress that is eagerly looking forward to the apocalypse, but that's what you've got.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But I prefer our form of government over any other nations. I for one do not appreciate a non-citizen criticizing our government or our way of life.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Sorry, if you can't make it with necessary regulations then you shouldn't be running a business. Regulations are in place to prevent the Bushy meltdown. Bushy like to de-regulate and just let everyone do whatever they want. Same with Trojan Horse Willard. You know why times have been tough the past 4 years? It's called a recession, and recessions have consequences. Things are on the up and up, it just depends if you want to fact check that or not.

I don't need to fact check, this year started out promising but has just about flat lined. Just because there is still a heart beat left is not a great sign. Just wait and see what happens if Obama is reelected, the patient will give up the ghost.