The Republicans are the Problem

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's a pretty extreme scenario. Obama could've stopped the war, & paid to
ship the troops home. Had you all made me dictator, that's what I would've done.

That was just one example. My point was that one administration can create commitments for the administrations that follow: collective agreements, supplier contracts, etc. And there are other things where the decisions that the previous administration made can't just be un-done with a snap of the fingers, so they end up having long-term cost implications.

My point was just that there's nothing wrong with describing a deficit as something that is "inherited". The decisions about spending and revenue that decide what the deficit will be often are inherited.

 

[Revoltingest]

That was just one example. My point was that one administration can create commitments for the administrations that follow: collective agreements, supplier contracts, etc. And there are other things where the decisions that the previous administration made can't just be un-done with a snap of the fingers, so they end up having long-term cost implications.
My point was just that there's nothing wrong with describing a deficit as something that is "inherited". The decisions about spending and revenue that decide what the deficit will be often are inherited.

I've no argument with that. But I find that politicians have more choices available than they think or
admit to. It's so much easier (less responsibility) to say "I must do that" than "I choose to do that".

 

[tytlyf]

Residential electrical work is twice the work and hassle for half the money. The average residential electrician makes about 1/3 the wages I pay my people.

So what are you noticing in your area? Are you rural or near a large city? Consider moving your business?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So, what's the point? Sure, we could go back into a recession. We could also get hit by an asteroid, or California could fall off into the ocean. There is no reason right now to think we'll suddenly tumble back into a recession. The trend is steadily up for 2 years now. And that's under Obama. It's possible that if he's re-elected, things could tank again, but that's not based on anything other than fear-mongering.

This.....:clap

 

[Reverend Rick]

So what are you noticing in your area? Are you rural or near a large city? Consider moving your business?

No, I am located perfectly between two big cities where I have less competition than I would in the big cities.

Plus, the big cities already have the things that are being built closer to me where the urban sprawl is right in my back yard.

The big city contractors have to charge more than I do because of the distance they would have to travel which puts me at an advantage. I can service this area quicker as well.

There is plenty of demand where I am at, most of it is waiting on financing. The banks are holding things up and why I am slow right now. I'm staying busy, just not stellar. The projects we have going is keeping the doors open, but I am not in business to just keep the doors open. Projects I will be doing next year I could have completed this year. Make sense?

 

[Falvlun]

My customers are not middle class, so no, you can't make money off a group of people who pinch every penny. This is why I do not have a residential business, it is twice the work for half the money.

The rich write my checks, I have never got a considerable check from a middle class person. Trickle down economics has done well for me in the past.

I realise that the money does not trickle down to the bottom, but it does flow from the rich, not the average consumer.

If you was to start a business model, would you not target someone who is well off?

I just wanted to point out that just because Rev Rick's clientele tends to be rich guys, that doesn't mean that the primary clientele of all companies are rich guys.

 

[Alceste]

I just wanted to point out that just because Rev Rick's clientele tends to be rich guys, that doesn't mean that the primary clientele of all companies are rich guys.

True, that. I don't work for any rich people. Not as far as I know, anyway, but even if some of my students are wealthy they pay the same rate the poor people pay. I am pretty sure the rich people around here are mostly out golfing and going on cruises, not learning to play the ukulele.

 

[uberrobonomicon4000]

True, that. I don't work for any rich people. Not as far as I know, anyway, but even if some of my students are wealthy they pay the same rate the poor people pay. I am pretty sure the rich people around here are mostly out golfing and going on cruises, not learning to play the ukulele.

You are right. You don't work for any rich people because you work for the government that is in debt. If not then you are working for people that can afford to send their children to private schools.

 

[Alceste]

You are right. You don't work for any rich people because you work for the government that is in debt. If not then you are working for people that can afford to send their children to private schools.

No, people pay me directly. I'm not a schoolteacher. I teach music privately, and I work for myself. My students are not rich.

 

[uberrobonomicon4000]

No, people pay me directly. I'm not a schoolteacher. I teach music privately, and I work for myself. My students are not rich.

Maybe you can teach my how to play a guitar then since i taught myself.

 

[Alceste]

Maybe you can teach my how to play a guitar then since i taught myself.

I taught myself guitar too. I knew we'd probably have something in common somewhere!

 

[NIX]

You can retire. I give you my permission! In fact, it's rather important to upcoming generations that the baby boomers who can afford it retire, so that all those remaining tasty middle class jobs they are occupying are freed up. Somewhere there is a competitor who will take on whatever demand your retirement frees up, and another employer who will take on your staff.

Demand for the services you provide is what creates your job, and the jobs of your employees. Demand will not be affected if all the disgruntled republicans retire after Obama is reelected. Only supply can be affected by the mass retirement of angry republicans. Wherever there is demand, there is someone who is chomping at the bit to become a supplier.

Or do you really think that once you retire, all your clients are going to say "phooey, Rick retired. I guess there's no point building anything any more"?

Retire? What's that?

 

[Alceste]

Retire? What's that?

It's being unemployed, but without any of the negative social stigma. I retired at seventeen. Then instead of taking up gardening or golf, I took up paying music for money as a hobby.

 

[NIX]

It's being unemployed, but without any of the negative social stigma. I retired at seventeen. Then instead of taking up gardening or golf, I took up paying music for money as a hobby.

Making money doing what you love is really the only way to go.

 

[NIX]

Making money doing what you love is really the only way to go.

EDIT: Making ENOUGH money doing what you love is really the only way to go. :cover:

It's nice when you have some time to sleep as well.
I'd like to take up sleep as a hobby- a few hours at a time in a bed. You know, maybe just one or two times a week.

 

[Alceste]

EDIT: Making ENOUGH money doing what you love is really the only way to go. :cover:

Actually I'm happier broke and doing what I love than I ever have been well-off and doing something boring and meaningless. I get pretty depressed and anxious in that situation. I can hear a huge clock ticking in my head, screaming that I only have one life to live and I'm spending the majority of it analyzing the financial impact of various corporate cell phone plans.

 

[NIX]

Actually I'm happier broke and doing what I love than I ever have been well-off and doing something boring and meaningless. I get pretty depressed and anxious in that situation. I can hear a huge clock ticking in my head, screaming that I only have one life to live and I'm spending the majority of it analyzing the financial impact of various corporate cell phone plans.

I totally get that, and it's fine being broke if you can make it work for yourself and you don't have children to support. This is when it becomes imperative that you make enough, doing what you love. ( In which case you must multiply what you love by the number of little people you love who need you to support and nurture them).

 

[Alceste]

I totally get that, and it's fine being broke if you can make it work for yourself and you don't have children to support. This is when it becomes imperative that you make enough, doing what you love. ( In which case you must multiply what you love by the number of little people you love who need you to support and nurture them).

This is a good point. I don't have kids. I'm sure that would change everything.

 

[NIX]

This is a good point. I don't have kids. I'm sure that would change everything.

Children do change everything.

 

[Reverend Rick]

It has been said that if you make a living doing what you love, you will never work a day in your life.