The Resurrection is it provable?

[Subduction Zone]

Depends what you mean by " proof".
Eyewitness testimony, yes.
Ironclad proof beyond doubt?
No but that doesn't exist for anything, IMO.
You can't even prove beyond doubt that reality isn't all a computer simulation.

Where do you think that you have eyewitness testimony? None of the Gospels are eyewitness accounts. Paul, who is one of the few authors that we are sure of, only saw "visions" aka hallucinations of Jesus.

The evidence for the resurrection is very very weak indeed.

 

[Sheldon]

That is a story from a book that was written over thirty years after the event. No eyewitnesses.

It also was not written by a disciple, the authorship was anonymous. and the names assigned centuries later. Most modern bibles even say, often inside the cover.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That wasn't written by a disciple, it's authorship is unknown, and like the gospels of Mathew Luke and John, were made up and assigned the gospels centuries later, to give the appearance they were authored by disciples. I'm really surprised how many Christians I encounter who are unaware of this.

Because it's false.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well yeah the Bible even says that, why I love the Word of God.
“Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.” Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, “The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense.” They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭2:4-10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
I Peter 2:6-10 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.” Therefore, to you who believ | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

The problem with that belief is that it turns the Bible into a house of cards, And it was blown down a long time ago. That is why you have to keep yourself ignorant of not just the sciences, but of the Bible itself.

 

[Sheldon]

Probably by talking to Mary immediately after the event.

Well firstly as has been pointed out, no one knows who wrote that, and even the earliest accounts are decades after Jesus allegedly died, and it doesn't say that either, so on top of anonymous hearsay you're adding an unevidenced assumption.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It also was not written by a disciple, the authorship was anonymous. and the names assigned centuries later. Most modern bibles even say, often inside the cover.

And even though the Bible states quite clearly that verses are not to be added to it that has happened as well. There are verses that we know were not part of the original Gospels. One such passage is the parable of Jesus and the adulterous woman. I am sure that you have heard it. It is the one with "Let the man that has never sinned cast the first stone". Well obviously everyone has sinned so no one could stone her. That story is not in the oldest manuscripts, and also as in the case of the Gospels being anonymous, most Bible note that that passage appears to have been added.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Where do you think that you have eyewitness testimony? None of the Gospels are eyewitness accounts.

According to your liberal " scholars."

 

[firedragon]

The other disciples
Mary Magdalene, Mark 16:9, “Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.”

Mark 16:9 is an interpolation.

 

[Sheldon]

Because it's false.

You're kidding right? Have you seriously not heard of the 1st council of Nicaea?

The Council of Nicaea: Resolving the crisis in early Christianity

You know that they arbitrarily left out gospels as well right? The names they assigned in 325 AD. Did you seriously not know this?

 

[Subduction Zone]

According to your liberal " scholars."

Not "liberal". Just scholars. People that can support their claims with evidence. Something that you do not seem to be able to do here.

 

[Sheldon]

According to your liberal " scholars."

Think again, you don't seem to understand the most basic facts about origins of your own bible. Your problem with liberals is irrelevant to these facts, seriously investigate yourself. It never fails to surprise me how many Christians don't know these facts.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You're kidding right? Have you seriously not heard of the 1st council of Nicaea?

The Council of Nicaea: Resolving the crisis in early Christianity

You know that they arbitrarily left out gospels as well right? The names they assigned in 325 AD. Did you seriously not know this?

The council only decided on what was already being used by the church... and there was very little division.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The council only decided on what was already being used by the church... and there was very little division.

And who told you that? Have you thought about that?

Most Protestants are willing to attack the Catholic positions that led to the reformation, but they keep forgetting that some of those positions occurred for the entire history of the Catholic Church. For example it was often illegal to own a Bible outside of the Catholic church before the reformation. Interpretations into languages other than Latin was simply not allowed. The Catholic Church was widely condemned for that. That dates all the way back to the Council of Nicaea when other versions of the Bible were made illegal. A few copies survived, but only because they were hidden.

The Council was the one that decided what was in the Bible and what was not. A lot of it was due to what was already being used. But there is no evidence that those were the "right" books to be following. An argumentum ad populum is a failed argument.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The problem with that belief is that it turns the Bible into a house of cards, And it was blown down a long time ago. That is why you have to keep yourself ignorant of not just the sciences, but of the Bible itself.

If a person just believes and doesn’t apply the Bible to their lives then that’s what you describe, which is also written in the Bible:
“Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-25‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This is how a person can be blessed, which I am.

 

[Sheldon]

The council only decided on what was already being used by the church... and there was very little division.

Not even close to being true. Though you seem to have evaded the issue of authorship of the gospels being anonymous.

"In Christian tradition, the Four Evangelists are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the authors attributed with the creation of the four Gospel accounts are anonymous."

CITATION

"Like the rest of the New Testament, the four gospels were written in Greek. The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66–70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90, and John AD 90–110."

CITATION

The disciples would have been unlikely to speak Greek let alone write it, and how old might they have been by those dates?

 

[Sheldon]

The council only decided on what was already being used by the church... and there was very little division.

CITATION

"Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the divine nature of God the Son and his relationship to God the Father, the construction of the first part of the Nicene Creed, mandating uniform observance of the date of Easter, and promulgation of early canon law."

There wasn't even complete agreement on issues of Jesus's divinity, though there was a large consensus of those assembled. Division continued even after this of course.

"In the short-term, however, the Council did not completely solve the problems it was convened to discuss and a period of conflict and upheaval continued for some time. Constantine himself was succeeded by two Arian Emperors in the Eastern Empire: his son, Constantius II, and Valens. Valens could not resolve the outstanding ecclesiastical issues, and unsuccessfully confronted St. Basil over the Nicene Creed."

 

[Subduction Zone]

If a person just believes and doesn’t apply the Bible to their lives then that’s what you describe, which is also written in the Bible:
“Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-25‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This is how a person can be blessed, which I am.

Please, now you are relying on extremely prejudiced confirmation bias. You appear to only believe that you follow the Bible, I am willing to bet in many ways that you do not. What you do not seem to understand is that Christianity is a smorgasbord religion. People can choose whatever parts of the Bible that they like and convince themselves that they are following it while ignoring other parts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not even close to being true. Though you seem to have evaded the issue of authorship of the gospels being anonymous.

"In Christian tradition, the Four Evangelists are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the authors attributed with the creation of the four Gospel accounts are anonymous."

CITATION

"Like the rest of the New Testament, the four gospels were written in Greek. The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66–70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90, and John AD 90–110."

CITATION

The disciples would have been unlikely to speak Greek let alone write it, and how old might they have been by those dates?

Dang it! Quit using liberal scholars.

I never realized until I began to argue with certain Christians that "liberal" meant "correct".

 

[ElishaElijah]

Please, now you are relying on extremely prejudiced confirmation bias. You appear to only believe that you follow the Bible, I am willing to bet in many ways that you do not. What you do not seem to understand is that Christianity is a smorgasbord religion. People can choose whatever parts of the Bible that they like and convince themselves that they are following it while ignoring other parts.

What I do follow is Jesus Christ and am under the New Covenant He instituted at the Passover.
“For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: On the night when he was betrayed, the Lord Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, and said, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-26‬ ‭CSB‬‬
And I walk by the Holy Spirit:
“Therefore, do not let your good be slandered, for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:16-17‬ ‭CSB‬‬
I’m not under the Law but under Grace now and have peace with God, it’s a great life!

 

[Subduction Zone]

What I do follow is Jesus Christ and am under the New Covenant He instituted at the Passover.
“For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: On the night when he was betrayed, the Lord Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, and said, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-26‬ ‭CSB‬‬
And I walk by the Holy Spirit:
“Therefore, do not let your good be slandered, for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:16-17‬ ‭CSB‬‬

The "New Covenant" is never laid out clearly. It is largely just a matter of interpretation. If you can't properly support your claims that means that you probably are not following the Bible. You are only following your personal version of it.

And it is a very bad sign when one has to quote mine the Bible to support one's claims. That is a big red flag. I can play that game too. Remember that the Bible says at least a dozen times "there is no God".