Spartan
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The physical resurrection of Jesus is clearly seen in the Gospels and Acts.
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The Resurrection of Jesus Christ
- Thread starter Spartan
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The physical resurrection of Jesus is clearly seen in the Gospels and Acts.
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
I am confused. Aren't you a christian? I thought christians believed that jesus came back. Oh well lol.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
1 Cor 1:18
Nimos
Well-Known Member
Well as others have pointed out as well, you are shifting the burden of proof
Nonetheless I will give it a try.
Proof:
Never in recorded history have anyone been resurrected from the dead after 3 days. So the lack of evidence for such things occurring is evidence for it not being possible.
Clinical death:
Most tissues and organs of the body can survive clinical death for considerable periods. Blood circulation can be stopped in the entire body below the heart for at least 30 minutes, with injury to the spinal cord being a limiting factor. Detached limbs may be successfully reattached after 6 hours of no blood circulation at warm temperatures. Bone, tendon, and skin can survive as long as 8 to 12 hours.
The brain, however, appears to accumulate ischemic injury faster than any other organ. Without special treatment after circulation is restarted, full recovery of the brain after more than 3 minutes of clinical death at normal body temperature is rare. Usually brain damage or later brain death results after longer intervals of clinical death even if the heart is restarted and blood circulation is successfully restored. Brain injury is therefore the chief limiting factor for recovery from clinical death.
Although loss of function is almost immediate, there is no specific duration of clinical death at which the non-functioning brain clearly dies. The most vulnerable cells in the brain, CA1 neurons of the hippocampus, are fatally injured by as little as 10 minutes without oxygen. However, the injured cells do not actually die until hours after resuscitation.This delayed death can be prevented in vitro by a simple drug treatment even after 20 minutes without oxygen. In other areas of the brain, viable human neurons have been recovered and grown in culture hours after clinical death. Brain failure after clinical death is now known to be due to a complex series of processes called reperfusion injury that occur after blood circulation has been restored, especially processes that interfere with blood circulation during the recovery period. Control of these processes is the subject of ongoing research.
Velma Thomas, 59, of West Virginia, USA holds the record time for recovering from clinical death. In May 2008, Thomas went into cardiac arrest at her home. Medics were able to establish a faint pulse after eight minutes of CPR. Her heart stopped twice after arriving at the hospital and she was placed on life support. Doctors attempted to lower her body temperature to prevent additional brain injury. She was declared clinically dead for 17 hours after doctors failed to detect brain activity. Her son, Tim Thomas, stated that "her skin had already started hardening, her hands and toes were curling up, they were already drawn". She was taken off life support and funeral arrangements were in progress. However, ten minutes after being taken off life support, she revived and recovered.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_death
Now Jesus does not appear to hold the official record and would have beaten her by a lot, and this was when she was placed in life support. Also Lazarus would have beaten Jesus by a day, but he didn't take the record either
All God had to do was just not create the perishing or any human whatsoever. Therefore no evil and no hell. It's not like He needed humans and before He created anything, He already had everything He could ever need or want, so all of this was completely unnecessary.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Those were not "extra-biblical" sources. It appears that you do not appear to understand the meaning of the phrase. And you are once again shifting the burden of proof. Wild tales that have no reliable evidence are taken to be myth. The burden of proof is upon those making the positive claim.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Wrong again, all I need to do is to show similar claims that are deemed to be myths. Do you not know what a myth is? It is a wild tale that is not supported by reliable evidence. By that standard the resurrection is a myth.
Even by that standard it fails since none of the supposed evidence is very reliable. All that you have is hear-say at best.
The crux of Christianity? A sort of cross of the cross, or meta-cross or what?
Even if I could show that the resurrection violates the laws of nature, that would be useless anyway, given that it was an alleged miracle, and therefore by definition a violation the laws of nature.
And it would as pointless as defeating Pinocchio, or that Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse, or anything that I could make up today.
My main critique is that if the resurrection really took place, that was pretty lame of Jesus.
Ciao
- viole
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As stated by others, there’s no evidence the resurrection as recorded in the Gospels actually happened other than viewing a theological narrative as historical. The resurrection and especially the ascension involving Jesus ascend through the stratosphere into outer space doesn’t make much sense, unless the heaven we go to when we die is the same ‘heaven’ as in outer space.
Why?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
People don't rise from the dead. For such an extraordinary claim of such a thing the burden is on you to prove it.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
This is actually a possible argument for the proper biblical interpretation of the resurrection. But to expect others to give it any credibility based on the weak evidence for it is an error on your part. You failed to show that there is any more evidence for that event than there is for Mohammad's trip to the Moon. If you believe one but not the other you are not being consistent in your reasoning.
WalterTrull
Godfella
I guess we're just going to have to resurrect some other folk.
Don't you believe God to be completely self sufficient thus needing and wanting nothing?
WalterTrull
Godfella
steveb1
Member
The resurrection was "bodily" but not physical. Jesus's resurrection or spiritual body does things that no physical body could ever do. The risen Christ can pass through solid objects, appear and disappear at will, and ascend to heaven inside a cloud. Which means that his risen body was not composed of matter as we know it.
No physical resurrection ever happened. As Paul says, "the Lord is a spirit", and again that Jesus is a "vivifying" or "life-sparking" spirit. When the risen Jesus appeared to Paul, Paul did not report seeing a physical body with human features, but only a light and a voice.
The NT supplies one of the strongest arguments against a physical resurrection, namely, the empty tomb with its stone rolled away. If Jesus's resurrection body could really pass through solid obstacles, there is no need whatsoever for the stone to have been rolled away. That it is reported to have been rolled away indicates that an all-too-human agency was thought to have moved it. Jesus supposedly could have simply walked through the stone barrier. So there was no need for Jesus, God, angels, secret disciples or funeral directors to move the stone.
Thus the supposedly highly evidential rolled away stone strongly argues against the idea of a physical resurrection.
You've already provided evidence for the resurrection is a myth. The bible verses.