The Resurrection of Jesus Christ

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yeah, go ahead and start your thread on Osiris and see how that works out for you.

It wouldn't "work out" for me at all, because I don't care.

But if you are going to insist, as you seem to be doing, that anything -- ANYTHING AT ALL -- which might be believed by some people, but which cannot be scientifically disproved must therefore be true, I think you are going to find yourself in something of a bind. Because then you are going to have to admit that a lot of things believed in other religions that contradict Christianity must also be true. And if things that contradict Christianity are true, by that reasoning, then Christianity itself cannot be.

 

[Milton Platt]

Hello, Milton. How much have your really read on the resurrection of Jesus? Here's some recommended reading for you if you haven't:

"The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;

“The Historical Jesus of the Gospels,” by Dr. Craig Keener

"New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;

"Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler;

"The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and

"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr. Gary Habermas.

“Miracles – The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts,” by Craig S. Keener

“The Case for Miracles,” by Lee Strobel

I have perused some of those authors, but not all. I find the arguments lacking. When someone is making a claim of supernatural origin, or claiming things that would require the suspension or alteration of the laws of physics, the burden of proof becomes rather onerous. There are virtually no eye witness accounts of the resurrection. Only hearsay accounts.

 

[Nimos]

Thanks, but that doesn't make sense in light of the serious injuries Jesus would have had. The Roman centurion confirmed his death by thrusting a spear into Jesus' side also. And then for Jesus to theoretically pass 3 days in a cold dark tomb with serious injuries and then appear healthy and conversive with the ladies at the tomb stretches the imagination.

Your theory is known as the "Swoon" theory. More on that untenable here: The Swoon Theory - What is it? Did Jesus survive His crucifixion?

Well that is evidence for why a resurrection can't happen. If the injuries Jesus endured are of the nature you claim, then its more likely that it didn't happen isn't it? Otherwise I could ask you to proof the medical science on this topic false as well, that would only be fair wouldn't it?

 

[Spartan]

Well that is evidence for why a resurrection can't happen. If the injuries Jesus endured are of the nature you claim, then its more likely that it didn't happen isn't it? Otherwise I could ask you to proof the medical science on this topic false as well, that would only be fair wouldn't it?

You still only have a theory? And it's not more likely that Jesus would not resurrect because of his injuries. It would be naive to think God can raise the dead (many examples in the Bible) but not be able to heal an individual also.

 

[Spartan]

I have perused some of those authors, but not all. I find the arguments lacking. When someone is making a claim of supernatural origin, or claiming things that would require the suspension or alteration of the laws of physics, the burden of proof becomes rather onerous. There are virtually no eye witness accounts of the resurrection. Only hearsay accounts.

Virtually all personal accounts of people from antiquity are hearsay, Milton. Unless you're ready to rip out entire portions of your history books, then you'll have to give up on any double standard.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Sorry, but what I have are multiple, independent, historical Gospels and epistles, along with various extra-biblical writings (over forty authors wrote about Jesus within 150 years of his death).

And what do you have to counter all that? Just a simple, unsubstantiated denial.

Oh my, you have books that CLAIM that this happened... how nice. So where's your verifiable evidence that what these books CLAIM is actually TRUE? I mean, the fact that I have written books about my invisible magical dragon means absolutely NOTHING without any sort of verifiable evidence to back it up.

So go ahead, provide us with your actual EVIDENCE, not just books that make unsubstantiated claims.

 

[Spartan]

It wouldn't "work out" for me at all, because I don't care.

But if you are going to insist, as you seem to be doing, that anything -- ANYTHING AT ALL -- which might be believed by some people, but which cannot be scientifically disproved must therefore be true, I think you are going to find yourself in something of a bind. Because then you are going to have to admit that a lot of things believed in other religions that contradict Christianity must also be true. And if things that contradict Christianity are true, by that reasoning, then Christianity itself cannot be.

More claims but still zero evidence for you against the resurrection accounts. If you want to try to make the case that they're ALL LIARS and the accounts are false then go for it. Otherwise you have nothing.

 

[Spartan]

Oh my, you have books that CLAIM that this happened... how nice. So where's your verifiable evidence that what these books CLAIM is actually TRUE? I mean, the fact that I have written books about my invisible magical dragon means absolutely NOTHING without any sort of verifiable evidence to back it up.

So go ahead, provide us with your actual EVIDENCE, not just books that make unsubstantiated claims.

There is no evidence people like you will ever believe. Have a nice day.

 

[Spartan]

Prove that Zeus doesn't exist.

The subject of this thread is the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you want to talk about Zeus baby start your own thread on it.

 

[QuestioningMind]

There is no evidence people like you will ever believe. Have a nice day.

People like me? You mean people who actually require verifiable evidence before they believe fantastical claims? As opposed to people like you, who apparently will believe any nonsensical claim, just because it was written in a special book your parents told you was sacred?

 

[Nimos]

You still only have a theory? And it's not more likely that Jesus would not resurrect because of his injuries. It would be naive to think God can raise the dead (many examples in the Bible) but not be able to heal an individual also.

But then the question you asked is about a lot more than the resurrection, right?

So let me give you a similar challenge.

Proof to me that during the night, horses doesn't grow wings and fly around in the sky?

(Whatever you answer... Let me just add, that an all powerful horse God named Turbulence, turns them invisible whenever someone looks at them and hide their wings from their bodies, if we examine them.)

To rephrase your original question:
Skeptics, let's see your bad-boy arguments, and do please endeavor to come up with some EVIDENCE which I will accept to back up your arguments, and not just pontificate one theory after another, which I personally don't think is valid! Also, I will bring in the supernatural as counterargument to whatever evidence you might present. Now bring it on!!

Maybe you should have phrased it like that?

 

[Milton Platt]

Virtually all personal accounts of people from antiquity are hearsay, Milton. Unless you're ready to rip out entire portions of your history books, then you'll have to give up on any double standard.

By hearsay, I mean that none of the authors claiming the resurrection happened were actually there...they only claim others saw it. And there is generally other corroborating evidence to substantiate other historical things.

 

[Wandering Monk]

The subject of this thread is the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you want to talk about Zeus baby start your own thread on it.

I was trying to illustrate your methodology. 'Prove a negative.'

 

[Spartan]

I was trying to illustrate your methodology. 'Prove a negative.'

It's not my methodology. I have the historical accounts. You have denial, and nothing else.

 

[Spartan]

By hearsay, I mean that none of the authors claiming the resurrection happened were actually there...they only claim others saw it. And there is generally other corroborating evidence to substantiate other historical things.

Nobody but God saw the actual resurrection. It happened in a closed cave. But the disciples - including Matthew, Peter, and John - and others, saw the resurrected Jesus.

 

[Spartan]

But then the question you asked is about a lot more than the resurrection, right?

So let me give you a similar challenge.

Proof to me that during the night, horses doesn't grow wings and fly around in the sky?

Start your own thread on that.

 

[Wandering Monk]

It's not my methodology. I have the historical accounts. You have denial, and nothing else.

You have a story book. Nobody comes back from the dead.

 

[Spartan]

People like me? You mean people who actually require verifiable evidence before they believe fantastical claims? As opposed to people like you, who apparently will believe any nonsensical claim, just because it was written in a special book your parents told you was sacred?

Another skeptic's post - VOID of any evidence or credible argument against the resurrection. And if you contend the resurrection is a nonsensical claim, let's see your evidence why??

Do come back when you have something.

 

[Spartan]

You have a story book. Nobody comes back from the dead.

Prove it.

 

[sooda]

I have perused some of those authors, but not all. I find the arguments lacking. When someone is making a claim of supernatural origin, or claiming things that would require the suspension or alteration of the laws of physics, the burden of proof becomes rather onerous. There are virtually no eye witness accounts of the resurrection. Only hearsay accounts.

There has never been any proof of the supernatural.