the right religion

[1robin]

That likely falls into the category of His "permissive will", right?

Bingo.

Oh I agree totally that just because He might put them in authority doesn't necessarily mean they're Godly.

As I said I am not competent to debate those verses. They have always troubled me.

 

[Muffled]

But God and religion are not the same thing. Religion is how people interpret things, which we know can vary.

No doubt God is not likely to be worried about what color rug is in the church but that does not mean that He is absent from religon only that some things concern Him and some don't.

 

[Muffled]

You are speaking from a premise that paints a whole different picture than what I see.

There are unalienable rights granted by the Creator. Creator's goal is always to secure men and women to enjoy those to the greatest extent possible. The Creator's enemy doesn't believe we are worthy of these rights and seeks for what he believes would accomplish a "greater good" for humanity. He believes everything can be made okay if only he can take control of everything; therefore, whatever means are necessary to accomplish such are good because the end justifies the means.

The truth is on both sides because some make themselves unworthy because they have a desire and a propensity to infringe upon the unalienable rights of others.

So, all of us get sorted out in a process of separating the wheat from the chaff.

Those least inclined to infringe upon the rights of others are garnered to places of safety (which can include martyrdom) so that they may inherit and live in a better place than where they were removed from that is more suited to their meek and humble natures.

Those who are unworthy by way of being inclined to trespass others, even if doing so as a part of a collective, shall go ahead and be taken captive by the adversary and be divested of those rights. In this sense the adversary performs a very benefical service to Creator to prove out and deliver justice to those who are unworthy.

I've come to understand Creator and Creator's adversary are simply two sides to the same coin. Creator has a right hand and a left hand and they oppose each other in order to accomplish the will of the Creator.

Some systems foster unalienable rights better than others and some are in varying levels of having forfeited their rights. We are all getting sorted out and all of the religions man comes up with are more or less "rooms in the mansion" the Father allows so that the sorting process can be facilitated.

Religions are not rooms. My livingroom is not a religion. Just like in a hotel payment has to be made to get a room. If a person has not had their room reserved by the payment in blood that Jesus makes on the cross, then the person must accept that payment to go into a room, otherwise the person is cast into outer space.

 

[Muffled]

"accept this now or you will be tossed into outer space"
nothing like a good arm twisting.

quite laughable.

You would be surprised how stubborn people can be even when their arm is twisted. The problem is that stubbornness is viewed as rebellion against God. For some strange reason He doesn't feel the need to hold up a welcome sign for rebels.

 

[waitasec]

You would be surprised how stubborn people can be even when their arm is twisted. The problem is that stubbornness is viewed as rebellion against God. For some strange reason He doesn't feel the need to hold up a welcome sign for rebels.

so much for a loving god...

 

[Astravalon]

You would be surprised how stubborn people can be even when their arm is twisted. The problem is that stubbornness is viewed as rebellion against God. For some strange reason He doesn't feel the need to hold up a welcome sign for rebels.

Isn't that rather like a hospital that doesn't feel the need to hold up a welcome sign for the sick?

 

[kylixguru]

Religions are not rooms. My livingroom is not a religion. Just like in a hotel payment has to be made to get a room. If a person has not had their room reserved by the payment in blood that Jesus makes on the cross, then the person must accept that payment to go into a room, otherwise the person is cast into outer space.

Pfft... No response.

 

[bigjimslade1000]

The right path in life would be to forget about religion. Religion (especially the middle eastern variety) is a trap. They trap the minds of the young and cause full grown adults to abandon reasonable and logical discourse.

 

[bigjimslade1000]

That's utter nonsense and I'm sorry you feel that way. Why would anyone choose to follow an angry child of a God?

 

[bigjimslade1000]

What fact? How can one call the opinion of a 2000 year dead, uneducated savage a fact?

 

[1robin]

The right path in life would be to forget about religion. Religion (especially the middle eastern variety) is a trap. They trap the minds of the young and cause full grown adults to abandon reasonable and logical discourse.

There is no way you can know this is true. If one of the religions was true and there are many very good resons to believe that, mankind would suffer massive misery and eternal loss if we took your advice. If that one was a known fact then ignoring the others would be good but it is not and the advice was bad. The bible records this almost did happen once before the flood. It didn't turn out well.

 

[bigjimslade1000]

I don't believe in universal morals and there were morals in other countries before christianity. There is no way to say that the bible instills morals either, for I have seen many an immoral christian. The laws in the bible are archaic to say the least and except for a few passages, the bible paints god/God out to be an immoral monster, no different from Sodam Husein.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

There is no way you can know this is true.

All we have to do is watch the effects it has on people; the evidence piles up, and speaks for itself.

 

[InfidelRiot]

There can never be any "right" religion. There can only be religion and chaos or no religion and relief.

 

[bigjimslade1000]

Religion can lead to entitlements, most of which involve some form of egotistical position. Christians and muslims both are disgusting in that, they both strive to twist the mind of the follower, if for no other reason to get people to think like they do... Misery loves company and there's nothing more miserable than a twisted mind.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There can never be any "right" religion. There can only be religion and chaos or no religion and relief.

What is chaos and not right about James [1 v 27] to look after widows and orphans and to keep oneself without spot from the world. [ the world of badness ] ?

Armageddon is the war to end all wars [Psalm 46 v 9] bringing Peace on Earth among men of goodwill by ridding the earth of evil. [Isaiah 11 vs 3,4; Rev. 11 v 18 B]

This world of badness is distracted and dismantled from God, so it is little wonder that the world's religious groups have run afoul playing false to God even by trying to crown and dethrone kings [earth's rulers], and creating chaos even by meddling in world affairs.

Such meddling causes negative attention putting them on the United Nations radar.
With backing the UN can be strengthened to become God's long arm of the law to go against the unfaithful religious world. Until the political world turns on the false religious world there is no hope for humanity that rationality and reason will become the norm.
That will not equal No religion and relief, but rather that Jesus, as king of God's kingdom, will be the one to not only rid earth of wickedness, but will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill thus equaling one religion and relief starting with Jesus' coming 1000-year reign over earth.
-Micah 4 vs 3,4

 

[bigjimslade1000]

If people understood that the bible was born from oratory tradition, they'd understand that it was completely mad. When it was put into writing, the tradition was secluded from change and it gave license for tyrants to bend it to their liking. The worst part of it, is the fact that it suits political agendas, more so than the people it destroys.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Religion can lead to entitlements, most of which involve some form of egotistical position. Christians and muslims both are disgusting in that, they both strive to twist the mind of the follower, if for no other reason to get people to think like they do... Misery loves company and there's nothing more miserable than a twisted mind.

'Christians' only if you mean as being 'Christian in name only'.
Jesus forewarned us that MANY would come 'in his name' but prove false in Matthew chapter 7.

It is the 'fake weed/tares or so-called Christians' that are involved in some form of egotistical position. Jesus never even taught religious titles for himself or his followers.

What is twisted about Jesus new commandment of John 13 vs 34,35 ?___________

 

[bigjimslade1000]

What's twisted is the fact that such titles, such as the descendant of a god/God, goes all the way back to a time predating Pharonic societies. The epic of Gilgamesh had much the same tone and Jesus is no different from Mythra or Horus. Jesus can even be compared to Appelonius of Tyana. The idea that Jesus, as an original character, is a falsity in more than one way.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The worst part of it, is the fact that it suits political agendas, more so than the people it destroys.

Suits political agendas because false clergy [ Acts 20 vs 29,30 ] have 'put' words in Jesus' mouth that never 'came out' of Jesus' mouth as if they are some sort of holy ventriloquists.
They often teach their traditions, or customs of men, as Scripture.
That does not make Scripture wrong or Jesus teachings as wrong, but makes them wrong. Very wrong.