the right religion

[1robin]

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Just curious, - what are the captions that go along with those pictures. Is the girl being auctioned off?


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It's a vacation brochure.

 

[Ingledsva]

Just curious, - what are the captions that go along with those pictures. Is the girl being auctioned off?

It's a vacation brochure.

And why would you say such a stupid thing when someone asks for clarification on pictures showing abuse of females and babies?



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[1robin]

And why would you say such a stupid thing when someone asks for clarification on pictures showing abuse of females and babies?



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The world is too vexing, as is. If you do not laugh occasionally you must either cry or break something. What it is not short of is feigned appeals to victimhood.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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Just curious, - what are the captions that go along with those pictures. Is the girl being auctioned off?


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I have explained to you the meanings of the images
I am the son of the city
And I know also that the profile of the person who carries the sword of that city
I hope God don't move this to you and to your
And watching daughters and your children's future
The thought of a Muslim believes in the spoils of war
And believes that women booty
This is reflected in those images in her intellectual depth
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[Shuttlecraft]

Suppose everybody in the world became muslim, that still wouldn't guarantee peace would it, because the Sunnis and Shi'ites would still be blowing each other up!

 

[Muffled]

I don't think so mate, it's a simple straight Bible quote..
That and other assorted verses are like jigsaw pieces that only give us a rough idea of what and where heaven is, not the full picture, so your guess is as good as mine.
For example Jesus said to the chap dying on the cross next to him "Today you'll be with me in paradise", thereby indicating there's no "long sleep" in human terms til judgment day!

He reminded us that there are things we can never fathom-
"You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things,so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?" (John 3:12)
"You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world" (John 8:23)
"I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going" (John 8:14)

"Don't grieve for those asleep,for they sleep in Jesus" I believe you should show me the words "until judgement day" in that quote please. Also your interpretation is that the spirit is not conscious but I believe the person is just using it as a metaphor.

 

[Muffled]

What happened to the verse I gave. It said it is appointed ONCE for all men to die and then THE judgment. That is the diametric opposite to dying over and over and being judged over and over. I have no problem with your believing in re-incarnation but to say it is Christian is just silly.

No one can possibly die more than once in a life and the word life have any meaning at all. Life necessarily has one beginning and one end. Again I can't reject what you want to believe in but I can say without doubt it is not what Christ taught.


No major denomination accepts re-incarnation in a Hindu context at all. Unless you really torture the concepts of the eternal life (which by the way happens once and is permanent) or Christ's second (another that has one and only one occurrence, no third, fourth, or fifth coming, and not a single additional death after Calvary) you can't even pretend to find the idea in Christianity and then even the most imaginative child would probably balk. I am a Baptist by the way but for this issue almost any denomination would do.

I believe you interpeted it to agree with your own personal view.

I believe you are saying the verse neccessitates that it must not be over and over but I do not believe that. I believe it is simply a logical assessment of life that one lives and then one dies not an exposition of spiritual life in general.
I believe there is a lot of silliness in Christianity but mine is quite rational as I suppose other silly people think theirs is also.

I believe the body can die and be resurrected from death and surely Jesus did but He has not died again so we can't include him in that category. Lazarus most likely died a second time.

That isn't what He tells me and I beleive scripture also supports what Jesus teaches about this.

I don't accept re-incarnation in a Hindu context except for the idea that a person can pay for sins comitted in this life, in the next life. I believe that is how God will perform His judgement not that He sends people to Hell or Heaven although I am sure He could. I also believe some people prefer physical life to Heaven and God will accomodate that for a person in His favor.

I already know that and I also am Baptist. Currently I attend an SBC church where it is taught that one either goes to Heaven or Hell but I don't agree with that teaching.

 

[Muffled]

Incidentally, scientists predict our sun will eventually turn into a red giant and toast the earth, so if the earth ain't there any more, where will those who believe in reincarnation get reincarnated back to?

I believe they say it will be more than a billion years from now butthe answer is simple: we get reincarnated on another inhabitable world. I believe I am orgianlly from the Pleiades and have been incarnated on other planets in past lifetimes.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

"Don't grieve for those asleep,for they sleep in Jesus"-
I believe you should show me the words "until judgement day" in that quote please. Also your interpretation is that the spirit is not conscious but I believe the person is just using it as a metaphor

It's pretty straightforward mate, Jesus said-
"All in the graves shall come out,to resurrection or damnation" (John 5:28/29)
They haven't come out yet or we'd see them wandering round asking "What's going on?", so obviously they'll be coming out when Jesus returns on judgement day, should be quite a sight so make sure your camcorders charged up.
As for "sleep", obviously it means the sleeper is not conscious..

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..we get reincarnated on another inhabitable world. I believe I am orgianlly from the Pleiades and have been incarnated on other planets in past lifetimes.

Huh? None of that is a Christian belief, yet you say you're a Christian!
Can you give us some Bible verses to back yourself up?

 

[Muffled]

1. Claiming to be a planet does not make you one nor would it even hint that planets are now the source of that view point.
2. Even if you were a Christian that does not make what you believe consistent with Christ.

What you said contradicts Christ if the word contradiction still retains any meaning at all.

I don't know what verse the other poster referenced so I will just a few additional ones.

Hebrews 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Not once and, not once in this life, not even once in a while but ONCE. Even those that were caught up to heaven before death will come back and die, Once. Most think they are the two prophet sin revelation but it is irrelevant who they are.

Acts 2:29 - Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.

Dead as in not re-incarnated.

John 5:28-29 - Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

That means there are those in their graves in Johns day that will be there until they hear God's voice, which does not take place until the second coming at the earliest.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 - All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

No mention of but one return. No again and again even hinted at.

Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Keep in mind no general or specific resurrection (excepting Christ who was the first fruits) is ever mentioned from Genesis until the judgment, and then only one.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 - But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the first fruits of them that slept.

Sleeping as in not up and walking around time and again.


Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Or maybe not, you have them popping out of the grave every 80 years on average I guess.

Matthew 25:41 - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Not one verse says anything like, or take another crack at it.


That is at least a start.


Keep in mind a couple of points.

1. Re-incarnation is refuted not just neglected by the bible.
2. Re-incarnation or resurrection and resuscitation are not the same. People who were resuscitated in the bible were not resurrected. They died again, Christ didn't (he is so far the only resurrection to have occurred) and after judgment we never will a second time.
3. Re-incarnation would only be of value if we retained the full memory of what we did in our previous life. Since we do not it is a tortuous and barbaric matter of luck and no matter how many lives we had, we would be going forward only to go backwards because nothing exists to learn from beyond the current life. We would be doomed to forever be infinitely short of the perfect mark and cruelly loft to randomly oscillate by circumstances. I want no part of that God.

I believe Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I believe that makes me a Christian.

I believe Jesus is in me speaking the truth and therfore my beliefs are consistent with Christ.

I do not believe that is the case.

I believe your argument is irrational. I can say once I went to a wedding in NYC. However I have been to NYC more than once. Here is a case where once means once for that special case and I challenge you to claim otherwise.

I believe dead refers to the body.

The text does not say in John's day so the fact is that you are altering the text to agree with your own thinking.

I believe that is philosophical reasoning based on observation. I believe it has nothing to do with spiritual reality.

I believe there is no time frame given so it does not pre-empt re-incarnation.

I believe there is a time for everything and it makes sense to discern the times.

I believe this statement can't be supported by scripture.

 

[Muffled]

It's pretty straightforward mate, Jesus said-
"All in the graves shall come out,to resurrection or damnation" (John 5:28/29)
They haven't come out yet or we'd see them wandering round asking "What's going on?", so obviously they'll be coming out when Jesus returns on judgement day, should be quite a sight so make sure your camcorders charged up.
As for "sleep", obviously it means the sleeper is not conscious..

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.

I believe I agree that the hour will come when those who are in the grave shall come forth but that does not connote continutity of those who have gone into the grave at an earlier date.

I beleive this is not a statement that this happens and nothing else happens in between.

I don't believe so. I believe it can be an observation of how a dead person appeaars and not an expostion on spirituality.

 

[Muffled]

Huh? None of that is a Christian belief, yet you say you're a Christian!
Can you give us some Bible verses to back yourself up?

I believe Christians believe a lot of things you don't I bet. I am definitely a Christian.

All of that was extra Biblical but all of my information comes from Jesus. You are aware that the Bible does not contain all the knowledge in the universe aren't you?

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..All of that was extra Biblical but all of my information comes from Jesus. You are aware that the Bible does not contain all the knowledge in the universe aren't you?

Yes, Jesus said- "You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things,so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?" (John 3:12)

so why do you think he's chosen you to give secret knowledge to?
And how do you know it's him, it might be Satan leading you up the garden path!

 

[1robin]

I believe Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I believe that makes me a Christian.

I was not judging you but a specific belief you have.

I believe Jesus is in me speaking the truth and therfore my beliefs are consistent with Christ.

That is what everyone claims wrong or right. It is not evidence or an argument. The crusaders used to cry "God wills" it then the blood bath began. The terrorists yell Allahu Akbar then either kill someone or get atomized by a 30mm depleted uranium round.

I do not believe that is the case.

Every commentary on the relevant verses disagrees with your disagreement.

I believe your argument is irrational. I can say once I went to a wedding in NYC. However I have been to NYC more than once. Here is a case where once means once for that special case and I challenge you to claim otherwise.

That was a terrible analogy of that verse. That verse says men die once. The one thing that does not allow for is recurrent death and birth. That is irrational and makes the verse meaningless.

I believe dead refers to the body.

How many bodies you got? Regardless it is followed by the judgment which is final and eternal. Birth, death, judgment, birth, death, judgment, birth, death, judgment, birth, death, judgment, etc... has zero biblical support and 100% biblical refutation. It is senseless and quite a horrific futility which has no logical purpose or termination.

The text does not say in John's day so the fact is that you are altering the text to agree with your own thinking.

That is an inescapable deduction. He said they are in their graves. "In" is a definite article indicating currency with the claim.

I believe that is philosophical reasoning based on observation. I believe it has nothing to do with spiritual reality.

That was hermeneutics and exegetics not philosophy.

I believe there is no time frame given so it does not pre-empt re-incarnation.

That verse is in the context of the judgment mentioned in Hebrews.

I believe there is a time for everything and it makes sense to discern the times.

Even when there was a definite time frame in the verse you rejected it so I think you have a heads you win tails you still win position.

I believe this statement can't be supported by scripture.

[/QUOTE] Not if your going to find a thousand bad reasons to dismiss a thousand scriptures that refute it. No doctrine can defeat preference.

 

[1robin]

I believe they say it will be more than a billion years from now butthe answer is simple: we get reincarnated on another inhabitable world. I believe I am orgianlly from the Pleiades and have been incarnated on other planets in past lifetimes.

Good night nurse. The bible mention only the earth that will be populated by humanity. Even heaven will be on the earth. The idea that a God who created the heavens will control them to allow for his desires is far more believable than that you come from another planet. Nature was by and large left to it's own devises after the fall but it was and will again be perfectly controlled to ensure paradise.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Originally Posted by Shuttlecraft
I don't think so mate, it's a simple straight Bible quote..
That and other assorted verses are like jigsaw pieces that only give us a rough idea of what and where heaven is, not the full picture, so your guess is as good as mine.
For example Jesus said to the chap dying on the cross next to him "Today you'll be with me in paradise", thereby indicating there's no "long sleep" in human terms til judgment day!

He reminded us that there are things we can never fathom-
"You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things,so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?" (John 3:12)
"You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world" (John 8:23)
"I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going" (John 8:14)
This is in the Gospel
And also viewed the image out of context
The most important rules of the understanding of the Gospel and the word of Christ is the figurative sense if we are to understand the words of Christ, we must understand it is intended
Therefore, I hope that don't take a part or a little of words for personal interpretation
For useful dialogue to open a special topic so useful dialogue
This is the essence of Christianity
Intellectual freedom
And is one of the most important characteristics of Christianity
It is different from the Islam that freedom of thought is complete
If you are interested in useful dialogue asking you to open a special topic
This sent you question again
Do you know that Christianity where the teachings of terrorism
Uhl believes that Islam is like Christianity
This is an important topic and not digress

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..This is an important topic and not digress

The topic title is 'The Right Religion', so I'm saying the only right and logical religion is the one with Jesus the Son of God himself in it!
If you know of any other religion whose front man has got better credentials than that, please let us know..

 

[kjw47]

The topic title is 'The Right Religion', so I'm saying the only right and logical religion is the one with Jesus the Son of God himself in it!
If you know of any other religion whose front man has got better credentials than that, please let us know..

Yes Jesus is with 1 religion--not 33,000( 1Cor 1:10) different ones claiming to have him.(2Cor 11:12-15)
The ones who teach each member to get every true teaching of Jesus' deep into their hearts, to live by daily. Like this ultra important one.

Matt 6:33---- Therefore, keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness, and all these other things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality-Matt 6)

Those who learn to apply that can reach this goal--John 4:22-24--- The hour is coming, and the hour is now, that the true worshippers, will worship the Father( Jehovah) in spirit and truth, for the Father is searching for the such to worship him in spirit and truth.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The topic title is 'The Right Religion', so I'm saying the only right and logical religion is the one with Jesus the Son of God himself in it!
If you know of any other religion whose front man has got better credentials than that, please let us know..

Oops, my friend
I only reply to a statement and explanation of the words of Christ
Because there are those who try to abuse the word of Jesus because they lacked basic words
Weihaolo cutting words from the Gospel so challenging in his own words
But this attempt failed
And either a free dialogue Yes this wonderful Forum accepting opinions freely
If you know that in ten percent of Christian teachings of Islam to the abandoned long ago
But every day demonstrates that the finest in Christian teachings
Sufficient bulk as they learn how to be truthful in his life
I'm here to say that Islam cannot be a religion of peace
While Christianity is a religion of peace and love
This feature outweigh Christianity over Islam