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[1robin]

I believe Christians believe a lot of things you don't I bet. I am definitely a Christian.

All of that was extra Biblical but all of my information comes from Jesus. You are aware that the Bible does not contain all the knowledge in the universe aren't you?

But it does contain many emphatic verses on what the core tenants of Christianity are. If you get information that does not jive with it then:

New International Version
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

Paul and the False Apostles
…3But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. 5For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles.…

I have no wish to curse or judge anyone nor the power to do the former. However re-incarnation as it traditionally is defined and being born on other planets does not line up with biblical doctrine.

 

[Nakosis]

I believe Christians believe a lot of things you don't I bet. I am definitely a Christian.

All of that was extra Biblical but all of my information comes from Jesus. You are aware that the Bible does not contain all the knowledge in the universe aren't you?

There are some passages of the Bible that may support reincarnation. Christian theology has determined their meaning otherwise.

I read somewhere that Christianity decided against reincarnation perhaps more because of personal experience then what was in the Bible.

However Hebrews was included in the Bible...

Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

Pretty clear. Maybe Hebrews shouldn't have been included. However are you going to arbitrarily start deciding what should and shouldn't be in the Bible?

 

[Shuttlecraft]

There are some passages of the Bible that may support reincarnation..

Chapter and verse?

 

[kjw47]

Oops, my friend
I only reply to a statement and explanation of the words of Christ
Because there are those who try to abuse the word of Jesus because they lacked basic words
Weihaolo cutting words from the Gospel so challenging in his own words
But this attempt failed
And either a free dialogue Yes this wonderful Forum accepting opinions freely
If you know that in ten percent of Christian teachings of Islam to the abandoned long ago
But every day demonstrates that the finest in Christian teachings
Sufficient bulk as they learn how to be truthful in his life
I'm here to say that Islam cannot be a religion of peace
While Christianity is a religion of peace and love
This feature outweigh Christianity over Islam

Love and peace huh? have you ever heard of the crusades?? the inquisition??witchhunts??----- the rev war, the civil war, ww1, ww2--where supposed young Christian men stood on both sides and blew each others heads off--members of the same Christendom sects, while one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by creation occurred, when the teachers on both sides prayed to the same God for the members of their own religions( supposed brothers in Christ) to be killed quickly so the wars could end. Millions upon millions slaughtered in the name of govt--including killing for Adolf Hitler---= pure darkness.

 

[1robin]

Love and peace huh? have you ever heard of the crusades?? the inquisition??witchhunts??----- the rev war, the civil war, ww1, ww2--where supposed young Christian men stood on both sides and blew each others heads off--members of the same Christendom sects, while one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by creation occurred, when the teachers on both sides prayed to the same God for the members of their own religions( supposed brothers in Christ) to be killed quickly so the wars could end. Millions upon millions slaughtered in the name of govt--including killing for Adolf Hitler---= pure darkness.

The worst possible way to judge a teacher is by the students who do not do the homework, don't show up in class, and defy every lesson ever taught. The religion has to accept these events, maybe. However God not the bible can be indicted by them. I have never understood the mentality that blames a book who's laws are the most famous in history and include thou shall not murder for murder.

I am a life long student of war (for better or worse).

1. The crusades were about a poor and desperate aristocracy who was loosing influence trying to gain it back and a Western Pope who wanted leverage over the Eastern one. God was just the excuse.
2. The inquisition killed less people in it's entire 400 years than died in an average day in any modern communist utopia.
3. The Witch-hunts killed like a few dozen people and two dogs.
4. The rev war was about a foreign tyrant who taxed without those being taxed having representation.
5. Civil war was about a central government designed to be respectful and compliant with state sovereignty which wasn't. Hard to even fault a side here, maybe an issue but not in general.
6. WW1 was a result of aristocratic pride.
7. WW2 was a combination of the same wounds to the same pride, territorial greed, and insanity.
8. Hitler hated Christianity but courted the church because of it's influence. As soon as rejected he turned on the faith with a vengeance. You ever read his diaries?


You can't find a single NT verse that is justification for a single example you gave me. I can fault Christians but not Christianity here.

 

[Ingledsva]

Chapter and verse?

You have to admit it does sound that way in spots.


John 9:1 "And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?'


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Luk 9:18 And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?

Luk 9:19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.

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Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

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Matthew 11:13-14 "For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come."


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And don't forget some of you think Jesus is the reincarnation of Adam, come to correct the original wrong.


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"The soul has neither beginning nor end … [They] come into this world strengthened by the victories or weakened by the defeats of their previous lives." (Origen, De Principiis)



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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Love and peace huh? have you ever heard of the crusades?? the inquisition??witchhunts??----- the rev war, the civil war, ww1, ww2--where supposed young Christian men stood on both sides and blew each others heads off--members of the same Christendom sects, while one of the biggest hipocrosys ever witnessed by creation occurred, when the teachers on both sides prayed to the same God for the members of their own religions( supposed brothers in Christ) to be killed quickly so the wars could end. Millions upon millions slaughtered in the name of govt--including killing for Adolf Hitler---= pure darkness.

Is always talking about the Crusades
And consider it a disgrace to Christianity
And also talk about other wars
Among the countries that embrace Christianity
But they are trying to obscure the facts are very important
1. you must understand the Crusades and causes,
2. to understand the Christian wars and their causes
3. look at the legality of the war in Christian ideology
Thus we get the answer
1. causes of the Crusades is an order issued by a Fatimid Caliphs destroyed churches in Jerusalem
This is the main reason why these wars
Is to defend holy places try Muslims demolished
El-Crusaders was not used any of the Gospel in order to justify their wars that
X-to the texts written in the Bible are not helpful in any offensive war terer
B-the tragic war errors
The Eastern Christians
Stood with Muslims
The effects of these wars is the Elimination of the Eastern Christian
Because Muslims deliver emerge and protocols with Christians
This lesson from history, and this new idea
I believe that if Eastern Christians with the Europeans
The date was another picture
That would be the Elimination of Islam militarily
This human right draft
Because Islam is expansionist and colonialist astbdayh idea
For information, I am a Christian-East
I suffer from the effects of the war
Today I displaced despite my nose because of religious persecution and the oppression of Islamic
That it comes from a long history
The Crusades to have justified humanitarian and not religious
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

2. war in Spain
Caused by the Islamic invasion to Spain
The human right defence
Is in the conscience of every human being
Not all Spanish Christians in that era
But the Spaniards felt the seriousness of the Islamic invasion home
And expulsion of Muslims right project
3. other wars
Are wars for control of earthly sovereignty
British wars
The German wars
French wars
Russian wars
Yes all Christians participated in the wars involving the gods by the gods that this war is from God
But he knows that wars for greed masters or rulers
Or secular ideologies
Hitler and Mussolini
Great Britain came to Iraq
She saw massacres the currents and Assyrians by Muslims in Mosul in 1948 and in 1936
And also I saw the killing of Christian Armenians in Anatolia in the years 1914 and 1918 but Great Britain did not intervene because wars are religious wars interests
And all the British felt the greatness of the Empire
And not feel the greatness of religion
And the same way Hitler and Montgomery
And Rommel
Adult leaders in those wars
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

U-wars that is led by America
America intervened in Bosnia for the purpose of protecting the Muslim minority
There intervened with Saudi and Arab funds
So are the interests
If America wants to say that it is a Christian war provided the texts of the Gospel
Does the Gospel texts of the Christian fighter with Christian
This supports what I believe
Iraq wars

Came to Iraq with their armies with 29 other States
You came to spread Christianity
Their presence in Iraq was a curse on the remnants of the Christian
The Saudi oil money American and Kuwaiti, Emirati and country and
Life under Saddam Hussein, religious lllakliat the best
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Æ-the Inquisition in Europe and the dominance of the Church and the Vatican
Yes, there were errors, but errors do not accommodate religious texts and interpret them correctly
And who wants the conversation in Christian texts welcome
Yes in that time period
As we errors
Application but it's not an intellectual errors
Christian thought proper
Without these errors
These have been repairing errors in Europe when the separation of religion and State
But this chapter is also bad result
By Rob Church all authorities in community and its effects today observed in Europe through the denial of any Christian influence in history
And secular trend of destructive allow penetration of destructive ideas and ideologies such as Islamic ideology
Therefore we have a right to say to the Europeans look to the East and treated your errors
Before running µTorrent and you see daughters of maids in Muslim markets
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

3. this very important
No ruler of rulers of Christian countries
To justify his war with any of the Scriptures in the old and New Testaments
To date,
Because there were no explicit calls for fighting Islam was in the rule repealed since نشاءته
Islam faced military commander fighting for religion
All Christians fought outside their faith
Written
This has important consequences
Through a combination of European human
See tolerant
This feature is the impact of Christianity
But compared to Islam, you find a Muslim doesn't know tolerance
And so it is in Europe seeking to destroy communities and publishes his thoughts there is exploitation of the Hibernate and religious tolerance which
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Following no. 3.
Islamic wars are the antithesis of our words this
Because every Muslim war can be justified with the verses of the Qur'an
Use interviews Mohamed
Muslim kill Christian neighbor
It uses a famous fighting
Muslim marry a successor of European and Muslim children
It uses verses
A Muslim man who runs an infernal intellectual system
Human being is deprived of the will
Governed by the verses of the Qur'an and hadiths
Therefore I say Christianity is better than Islam
For Apple to Christianity in every printing errors are the best
It's a religion independent of intellectual terrorism and terrorism secular faith dissemination
This is what I believe
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[Shuttlecraft]

..And don't forget some of you think Jesus is the reincarnation of Adam, come to correct the original wrong...

That's just another consp-theory..
As for the pro-reincarnation verses you posted, they simply refer to the holy spirit being in people from generation to generation, they don't mean people are being re-born over and over like characters in a video game!
The Bible is quite clear that when we die, we die, then we get resurrected on judgement day-
"I will open your graves,and you shall know I am the Lord" (Ezekiel 37:12)

Incidentally, EVERYBODY gets resurrected including atheists and nonchristians-
Jesus said:- "All in the graves shall come out,to resurrection or damnation" (John 5:28/29)

so they'd better have their excuses ready-
Jesus said:- "Pray..that you will be able to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36)

 

[Nakosis]

there r many religion in the world, but surly there r only one right religion, but how could we reach the right believe, the right path?

Well you have to go with a religion that provides you with beneficial results.

I'd suggest Buddhism. I find detachment provide more control over my life.
Meditation has helped to bring peace in my life and has also help with my insomnia.

 

[1robin]

Well you have to go with a religion that provides you with beneficial results.

I'd suggest Buddhism. I find detachment provide more control over my life.
Meditation has helped to bring peace in my life and has also help with my insomnia.

Detachment and control are almost mutually exclusive terms.

 

[Nakosis]

Detachment and control are almost mutually exclusive terms.

Here's how it works. If you are attached to something like money or sex for example. It controls you. It causes you to make choices to obtain what you desire over ethic or moral values.

People can be control by their desire for things like sex and money. Whatever attachment you have someone else can use it to control you.

What I am not attached to can't control me or be used by others to control me.

I'm free from that type of control.

The idea is to detach from things that control you. What do you get from that, freedom from being controlled. I suppose that is something not everyone values however.

 

[Ingledsva]

That's just another consp-theory..
As for the pro-reincarnation verses you posted, they simply refer to the holy spirit being in people from generation to generation, they don't mean people are being re-born over and over like characters in a video game!
The Bible is quite clear that when we die, we die, then we get resurrected on judgement day-
"I will open your graves,and you shall know I am the Lord" (Ezekiel 37:12)

Incidentally, EVERYBODY gets resurrected including atheists and nonchristians-
Jesus said:- "All in the graves shall come out,to resurrection or damnation" (John 5:28/29)

so they'd better have their excuses ready-
Jesus said:- "Pray..that you will be able to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36)

LOL! Ah-ha - and why was the man's "holy spirit" born blind?


They obviously were meaning reincarnation in that verse.


John 9:1 "And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind




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[Shuttlecraft]

..They obviously were meaning reincarnation in that verse..

Nah, the reincarnation idea is just something cooked up by nonchristians!
Jesus said to the chap dying on the cross next to him-
"Today you'll be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:41)

See? he didn't say "Today you'll be reincarnated into another body"..

 

[kjw47]

Nah, the reincarnation idea is just something cooked up by nonchristians!
Jesus said to the chap dying on the cross next to him-
"Today you'll be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:41)

See? he didn't say "Today you'll be reincarnated into another body"..

Did you know?---

Correct translating = Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.

Bad translating = Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.

Jesus went to Hades( grave ) for 3 days--it wasn't possible to be in paradise ( Eden)on that day.

 

[Ingledsva]

Nah, the reincarnation idea is just something cooked up by nonchristians!
Jesus said to the chap dying on the cross next to him-
"Today you'll be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:41)

See? he didn't say "Today you'll be reincarnated into another body"..

1. You did not explain how the verse quoted could be anything other then a reincarnation verse!


2. Luke 23:41 has been interpreted as - today (you have made the choice which will put you into paradise with me,) - at the time of Judgment.

NOT -immediate paradise.


And Jesus said to him, Truly, today, I say to you, you will be with Me in Paradise.


EDIT - I see Kjw47 beat me to it, while I was checking out the Greek to make sure.


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