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the right religion

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Muslims try to cover the truth and evasion through multiple methods
For example the words off-topic
And I tell you
Suppose that Jesus is man
And that Jesus wrote the lyrics and did the deeds and is written in the Gospel
The teachings of Jesus, the acts of Jesus
Is half the faith in Christianity
The other half is the belief in the divinity of Jesus
Therefore, if we
The actions and teachings of Jesus
And compare them with the teachings and actions of Muhammad
Which is the best humane
Religion better be the best teachings
The best ideology is the ideology of higher
The teachings of Jesus are valid at all times
It's teachings calling for love and peace, while Muhammad's teachings are teachings of hatred and war and fight
So who wants to digress him open a new topic
Well
Let me say the following words
I am not a Christian
I am not a Muslim
Reading two books
One of the words fight wehhom
And the words peace and humility
Whichever is the best
And also let me
To eliminate the question of the divinity of Jesus from this dialogue
We focus on teaching
And also cancel the prophethood of Muhammad and concentrate on his teachings which is better
I leave the answer to free minds
And those who know Greek Arabs
And trying to impose their interpretation of the Bible by the incomplete they will fail
And this fear to open separate themes
For dialogue
Just trying to raise side issues to obscure facts
The readers of this forum
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Did you know?---

Correct translating = Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.

Bad translating = Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.

Jesus went to Hades( grave ) for 3 days--it wasn't possible to be in paradise ( Eden)on that day.
If you know the difference between a deity and divinity
You need to open a special theme with these words
This theological theme out of this
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Yes, Jesus said- "You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things,so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?" (John 3:12)

so why do you think he's chosen you to give secret knowledge to?
And how do you know it's him, it might be Satan leading you up the garden path!

I believe I don't see myself as chosen and He has never said anything to that extent.

I believe all knowledge is secret until it becomes known. Was it a big secret that atoms exist? No but it did not become well known until recently. I believe I get answers because I ask questions.

I believe discernment of spirits is a gift of the Holy Spirit. However I know God well enough from the Bible to know it is Him when He speaks.

I am well aquainted with satan and his slippery tongue but the fact that he honey coats things is a dead giveaway.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Good night nurse. The bible mention only the earth that will be populated by humanity. Even heaven will be on the earth. The idea that a God who created the heavens will control them to allow for his desires is far more believable than that you come from another planet. Nature was by and large left to it's own devises after the fall but it was and will again be perfectly controlled to ensure paradise.

Have you read what you wrote? Please try some plain English?

I am not sure what you are saying is more believeable. Are you saying the God who created people on earth is incapable of creting people on other planets? Has God ever said I only think about earth and the rest of the universe is not my concern? I believe that kind of thinking is ethnocentric or parochial but at least egotistical.

I believe this is too general a statement to be true and that God does intervene in nature when He wishes.

I believe perhaps but a person can still fall off a cliff and die so will one then blame the cliff for not being perfect nature or worse blame God for allowing a cliff to exist.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The topic title is 'The Right Religion', so I'm saying the only right and logical religion is the one with Jesus the Son of God himself in it!
If you know of any other religion whose front man has got better credentials than that, please let us know..:)

If I recollect correctly the Qu'ran never states that Mohammed is perfect or that He can save anyone from sin.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Have you read what you wrote? Please try some plain English?
I am no literary scholar but I see no obvious flaw in what I stated. I also don't see anything other than the plainest language use.

I am not sure what you are saying is more believeable. Are you saying the God who created people on earth is incapable of creting people on other planets? Has God ever said I only think about earth and the rest of the universe is not my concern? I believe that kind of thinking is ethnocentric or parochial but at least egotistical.
If I remember correctly you said God exists but that the Earth will be allowed to be destroyed in a cosmological event. I said if you allow God's existence then cosmological events are no longer relevant because he can and has said he will order them so as to make Earth the paradise it was intended to be. You can't have God but deny his power to accomplish his intentions.

I have no idea whether being are on other planets. Apparently I have no need to and they have no relevance to me because they are not mentioned in God's instruction for us, if they do exist.

BTW can you explain your claim of being on another planet in more detail?




I believe this is too general a statement to be true and that God does intervene in nature when He wishes.
That was precisely my point. Nature is allowed to function on it's own in most cases since we rebelled. That is why there is so much natural destruction since the garden of Eden days. However his does intervene to accomplish his purposes. His purposes as the bible relates them have nothing to do with other planets or the Earth's destruction.





I believe perhaps but a person can still fall off a cliff and die so will one then blame the cliff for not being perfect nature or worse blame God for allowing a cliff to exist.
You do not appear to have understood what I stated. The former paradise was paradise because God ordered it, but it was lost. That paradise will again be reinstated permanently and God's perfect supervision of nature re-enacted. Right now nature is mostly left to obey laws which do not prevent falling off cliffs. The point was to show us we need God and cannot survive without him.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I am no literary scholar but I see no obvious flaw in what I stated. I also don't see anything other than the plainest language use.

If I remember correctly you said God exists but that the Earth will be allowed to be destroyed in a cosmological event. I said if you allow God's existence then cosmological events are no longer relevant because he can and has said he will order them so as to make Earth the paradise it was intended to be. You can't have God but deny his power to accomplish his intentions.

I have no idea whether being are on other planets. Apparently I have no need to and they have no relevance to me because they are not mentioned in God's instruction for us, if they do exist.

BTW can you explain your claim of being on another planet in more detail?



That was precisely my point. Nature is allowed to function on it's own in most cases since we rebelled. That is why there is so much natural destruction since the garden of Eden days. However his does intervene to accomplish his purposes. His purposes as the bible relates them have nothing to do with other planets or the Earth's destruction.





You do not appear to have understood what I stated. The former paradise was paradise because God ordered it, but it was lost. That paradise will again be reinstated permanently and God's perfect supervision of nature re-enacted. Right now nature is mostly left to obey laws which do not prevent falling off cliffs. The point was to show us we need God and cannot survive without him.

I beleive I have no information on this from God. IMO it is just as likely that the New Jerusalem desending to a New Earth with a new heaven could be a different planet or a refurbished planet that we currently occupy. If I had a geocentric bias I would believe that it would have to be our current earth but I don't. The only evidence that leads me to believe it is the current earth is that evangelism takes place and that seems less likely on another planet and also the gathering of the enemy against the New Jerusalem also suggests the current planet but that is because I find it difficult to believe God would place us on another planet with enemies present.

I believe there are a couple of verses pertinent to this concept. Rev 6:13 and the stars of the heaven fell unto the earth, as a fig tree casteth her unripe figs when she is shaken of a great wind.
14 And the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Mt 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered up and burned with fire; so shall it be in the end of the world.

A little logical deduction that stars falling from heaven could mean meteorites and the scientific position that such a thing happening would cause a conflagration.

My spirit does not remember my home world although I have an empathy for it when it is mentioned. My recollection is travelling in a spaceship and crash landing on another planet that was occupied by blue skinned people. I made a local friend but the natives found me and put me in a cage on display as though I were a monkey. My friend managed to get me out of the cage but I don't remember how I got home or if I did.

I believe it is erroneous to think that natural events are all due to sin and I believe some events are just natural.

I don't believe that the paradise to come is the same as the one lost but I am sure it will be good. However God allows accidents to happen to people despite the psalm that the devil quoted to Jesus. Let us say that a person loses his physical eternal life by accident. I believe God is quite capable of either restoring that life or creating a new one. So in the end it doesn't make much difference.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Muslims try to cover the truth and evasion through multiple methods

For example the words off-topic
And I tell you
Suppose that Jesus is man
And that Jesus wrote the lyrics and did the deeds and is written in the Gospel
The teachings of Jesus, the acts of Jesus
Is half the faith in Christianity
The other half is the belief in the divinity of Jesus
Therefore, if we
The actions and teachings of Jesus
And compare them with the teachings and actions of Muhammad
Which is the best humane
Religion better be the best teachings
The best ideology is the ideology of higher
The teachings of Jesus are valid at all times
It's teachings calling for love and peace, while Muhammad's teachings are teachings of hatred and war and fight
So who wants to digress him open a new topic
Well
Let me say the following words
I am not a Christian
I am not a Muslim
Reading two books
One of the words fight wehhom
And the words peace and humility
Whichever is the best
And also let me
To eliminate the question of the divinity of Jesus from this dialogue
We focus on teaching
And also cancel the prophethood of Muhammad and concentrate on his teachings which is better
I leave the answer to free minds
And those who know Greek Arabs
And trying to impose their interpretation of the Bible by the incomplete they will fail
And this fear to open separate themes
For dialogue
Just trying to raise side issues to obscure facts
The readers of this forum​

I believe there is no dichotomy of peace and war between the two books. I believe the difference is in how one is saved from sin. In Christianity Jesus saves from sin in Islam the Muslim must save himself from sin (Which he is unable to do).
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
I beleive I have no information on this from God. IMO it is just as likely that the New Jerusalem desending to a New Earth with a new heaven could be a different planet or a refurbished planet that we currently occupy. If I had a geocentric bias I would believe that it would have to be our current earth but I don't.
The bible has a geocentric bias and so Christians should have one. The bible never comments on what is occurring on other planets. The bible makes reference to stars and the heavens but all the events relevant to us occur on the same planet. This one. If you think John suddenly meant another planet then you need dang good reason for that and also why such a fantastic difference is not even hinted at. The bible posits one and only one Earth. If you need more than one the bible is not your source. BTW it says specifically how this new Earth comes exist. It says this one with all it's works is burned, (not the dirt and core, the surface and all it's detritus) and that allows it to be restored to it's original garden of Eden state.





The only evidence that leads me to believe it is the current earth is that evangelism takes place and that seems less likely on another planet and also the gathering of the enemy against the New Jerusalem also suggests the current planet but that is because I find it difficult to believe God would place us on another planet with enemies present.
It is not evangelism that posits the same Earth mention in 65 books of the bible is also the same planet mentioned in the 66th. That is common sense. Since John never even hints at that it is proper exegesis not a convenient (which BTW why would anyone care enough to lie?) interpretation. It is the only reasonable one. You are drawing the hyperbolically fantastic interpretation. You have the burden.


I believe there are a couple of verses pertinent to this concept. Rev 6:13 and the stars of the heaven fell unto the earth, as a fig tree casteth her unripe figs when she is shaken of a great wind.
14 And the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Well the stars bit can't be literal because on no natural model, nor any possible interpretation of anything will all the stars literal hit the Earth. That does not even make any sense if literal. So what does this verse actually mean. Every single commentary I looked at assigns it a symbolic interpretation. Your the one drawing evangelistic interpretations that have no justification at all. Stars is biblical in many cased for rulers. Figs for people, etc... It indicates the posers that have ruled the earth will fall in the end times. It is apocalyptic literature and is suposed to by symbolic.





2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Just as I suggested above. The Earth will be burned. Everything on it will be burned to ash, God will remake everything as it was to have been before the fall. That is why Jesus said "behold I make all things new", he did not say "behold I destroy this thing so we can go to another thing".

BTW it can't be literally true that the Earth and the heaven are literally burned up (meaning destroyed) because that is the entire universe plus the realm where God lives. He can't literally burn everything up or there would be no place for him or us.

Your interpretation cause entire doctrines and clear scriptures to contradict each in place after place and all without a single clear verse to justify it. Sounds like something the JWs would do to the bible to make it fit their presumptions.



Mt 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered up and burned with fire; so shall it be in the end of the world.
The Tares are always associated with ungodly people as in the parable of the Tares. This world's rebels, deniers, and the unrepentant will be burned up. Weeds are not the issue. BTW tares are a specific type of weed that looks like wheat.


A little logical deduction that stars falling from heaven could mean meteorites and the scientific position that such a thing happening would cause a conflagration.
Not a single traditional commentator drew that conclusion. Al the way from MH to Gill's to JFB and all in between. Can you find a single traditional orthodox doctrine or teaching that agrees with your interpretation?


My spirit does not remember my home world although I have an empathy for it when it is mentioned. My recollection is travelling in a spaceship and crash landing on another planet that was occupied by blue skinned people. I made a local friend but the natives found me and put me in a cage on display as though I were a monkey. My friend managed to get me out of the cage but I don't remember how I got home or if I did.
Before we get into this are you a JW? If your immortal spirit has no memories of it and your material memory was created on this planet what part of you remembers another planet?


I believe it is erroneous to think that natural events are all due to sin and I believe some events are just natural.
You misunderstood. My comment was about what occurs after the apocalypse not now.


I don't believe that the paradise to come is the same as the one lost but I am sure it will be good. However God allows accidents to happen to people despite the psalm that the devil quoted to Jesus. Let us say that a person loses his physical eternal life by accident. I believe God is quite capable of either restoring that life or creating a new one. So in the end it doesn't make much difference.
None of my central points requires us to know exactly what paradise will like. You can just ignore my saying it was a return to the way things were. It is not part of his discussion. The bible says we can drink poison and handle snakes and not die. It does not say we won't die, and it does not suggest we attempt either. It is God's option. God may prevent us from dying or allow us to die at his discretion.
 
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1robin

Christian/Baptist
I believe there is no dichotomy of peace and war between the two books. I believe the difference is in how one is saved from sin. In Christianity Jesus saves from sin in Islam the Muslim must save himself from sin (Which he is unable to do).
Sure he can. The only sure way the Quran gives for a person to make it to paradise is to die a martyr. That is why so many professional and intelligent Muslims are so desperate to die in an effort to hurt others.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Sure he can. The only sure way the Quran gives for a person to make it to paradise is to die a martyr. That is why so many professional and intelligent Muslims are so desperate to die in an effort to hurt others.
Islam encourages man to abuse others
This sin
While Christianity and Judaism discourages the abuse of others and this instruction is valid and good
The great sin is abuse
Islam encourages the practice of gmsih
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And the marriage of slaves
And many sins
While Christianity to ethics algmidh
I speak about the teachings of the Holy Bible
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Islam encourages man to abuse others
This sin
While Christianity and Judaism discourages the abuse of others and this instruction is valid and good
The great sin is abuse
Islam encourages the practice of gmsih
Fun girl
And the marriage of slaves
And many sins
While Christianity to ethics algmidh
I speak about the teachings of the Holy Bible
What is your native language? This translation is hard to understand but it appears I can generally agree with you.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Sure he can. The only sure way the Quran gives for a person to make it to paradise is to die a martyr. That is why so many professional and intelligent Muslims are so desperate to die in an effort to hurt others.
I believe there are very few Muslim martyrs and that those who die in the process of committing murder are definitely not martyrs. So the fact remains that Islam has not saved such people from sin and the judgement to follow their deaths.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Islam encourages man to abuse others
This sin
While Christianity and Judaism discourages the abuse of others and this instruction is valid and good
The great sin is abuse
Islam encourages the practice of gmsih
Fun girl
And the marriage of slaves
And many sins
While Christianity to ethics algmidh
I speak about the teachings of the Holy Bible
I believe you are referring to Islamic customs as opposed to what the Qu'ran teaches. I don't remember the Qu'ran teaching to abuse people.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I believe you are referring to Islamic customs as opposed to what the Qu'ran teaches. I don't remember the Qu'ran teaching to abuse people.
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I believe you are referring to Islamic customs as opposed to what the Qu'ran teaches. I don't remember the Qu'ran teaching to abuse people.
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I believe you are referring to Islamic customs as opposed to what the Qu'ran teaches. I don't remember the Qu'ran teaching to abuse people.
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I believe you are referring to Islamic customs as opposed to what the Qu'ran teaches. I don't remember the Qu'ran teaching to abuse people.
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