The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

[Enoch07]

You need to read:

Jesus speaking
Mathew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God has no problems destroying non-believers souls. In fact you can count on it if you deny Jesus.

Jesus speaking again
Mathew 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in Heaven."
Mathew 10:34 "Do not think that I come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

If you deny Jesus, He will deny you in Heaven before God. So to say that even atheist will be saved is an outright lie. You live in a fantasy realm where everyone lives happily ever after-life when it is simply not true.

As stated in Mathew 10:34 Jesus sword is a metaphor for his word. Jesus' word is truth. Truth that cuts both ways, evil men and misguided Christians alike, who believe in non-sense like you are talking about.

 

[AK4]

You need to read:

Jesus speaking
Mathew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God has no problems destroying non-believers souls. In fact you can count on it if you deny Jesus.

Jesus speaking again
Mathew 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in Heaven."
Mathew 10:34 "Do not think that I come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

If you deny Jesus, He will deny you in Heaven before God. So to say that even atheist will be saved is an outright lie. You live in a fantasy realm where everyone lives happily ever after-life when it is simply not true.

As stated in Mathew 10:34 Jesus sword is a metaphor for his word. Jesus' word is truth. Truth that cuts both ways, evil men and misguided Christians alike, who believe in non-sense like you are talking about.

First off in Mathew 10:28 word is not hell its Gehenna and its was the place where the jews burned their garbage and stuff. So since you are able to believe Jesus sword is a metaphor for His Words, which you are correct on that one, why cant you beleive Gehenna is a metaphor for---hmmm should i tell you directly or should i let you try to figure what scriptures Gehenna can be a metaphor for and what it means. I will go with the latter. By the way if your looking for the other "hell" verses try again because those words are translated wrong too. Hades does not equal hell.

Heres to happy searching the scriptures

edit-----ps "comparing spiritual with spiritual"

 

[cottage]

You need to read:

Jesus speaking
Mathew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God has no problems destroying non-believers souls. In fact you can count on it if you deny Jesus.

Jesus speaking again
Mathew 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in Heaven."
Mathew 10:34 "Do not think that I come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

If you deny Jesus, He will deny you in Heaven before God. So to say that even atheist will be saved is an outright lie. You live in a fantasy realm where everyone lives happily ever after-life when it is simply not true.

Phew! You don't paint a very pretty picture.

Okay it is only be a belief, rather than a truth, but there is nothing really wrong in what you say.

 

[mickiel]

You need to read:

Jesus speaking
Mathew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God has no problems destroying non-believers souls. In fact you can count on it if you deny Jesus.

Phew! You don't paint a very pretty picture.

Okay it is only be a belief, rather than a truth, but there is nothing really wrong in what you say.

This is the result of the sick concept of eternal hell suffering, it paints God as being sick, it makes believers in God sick in their beliefs, and it makes the devil happy. People think there is nothing wrong with a God who would destroy people just because they did not believe in him. Why should God kill someone just because they don't believe in him? Would you kill someone who does not believe in you?

Listen, if a person does not accept that you lived, that you exist, would you have them killed? WHY do you think God is like that? WHY should God kill or torture forever people who do not believe in him?

WHY?

You need to seriously think about what your believing.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

This is the result of the sick concept of eternal hell suffering, it paints God as being sick, it makes believers in God sick in their beliefs, and it makes the devil happy. People think there is nothing wrong with a God who would destroy people just because they did not believe in him. Why should God kill someone just because they don't believe in him? Would you kill someone who does not believe in you?

Listen, if a person does not accept that you lived, that you exist, would you have them killed? WHY do you think God is like that? WHY should God kill or torture forever people who do not believe in him?

WHY?

You need to seriously think about what your believing.

Peace.

I mean, here we have " A God", and we seem to think that he created us, and then will turn around and kill us if we don't believe in him. At its root, this is unreasonable. A God of Life, that will cause death, for unbelief. The power of a God can cause belief, if that is what he wants, but we think he wants us to choose for ourselves. And that he is so into letting us decide this thing, that he will kill us if we decide wrong.

Man thats a sick view of God. And we are so sick that we can't even see the sickness of our beliefs.

Peace.

 

[Enoch07]

This is the result of the sick concept of eternal hell suffering, it paints God as being sick, it makes believers in God sick in their beliefs, and it makes the devil happy. People think there is nothing wrong with a God who would destroy people just because they did not believe in him. Why should God kill someone just because they don't believe in him? Would you kill someone who does not believe in you?

Listen, if a person does not accept that you lived, that you exist, would you have them killed? WHY do you think God is like that? WHY should God kill or torture forever people who do not believe in him?

WHY?

You need to seriously think about what your believing.

Peace.

WHY you ask? Research the word...Katabole. Once you understand why we are even born into flesh bodies you will understand why God is so serious.

Also God does not torture people in hell. To go to hell means to be consumed by God, which is the same as saying destroyed, annihilated, killed. Which is backed up by Mathew 10:28. Regardless of whether what you call it..hell, hades, lake of fire, etc. Jesus is clearly telling us that God will destroy you if you side with Satan.

 

[mickiel]

WHY you ask? Research the word...Katabole. Once you understand why we are even born into flesh bodies you will understand why God is so serious.

Also God does not torture people in hell. To go to hell means to be consumed by God, which is the same as saying destroyed, annihilated, killed. Which is backed up by Mathew 10:28. Regardless of whether what you call it..hell, hades, lake of fire, etc. Jesus is clearly telling us that God will destroy you if you side with Satan.

Oh no, no. Jesus came not to destroy mens lives if they do not believe, he came to call the unbelievers to repentance. Your doctrine is seeking to destroy. Jesus himself in John 10:10;" The thief comes only to steal and " Destroy", I came that they may have Life, and have it in Adundance." Jesus is clearly telling us that God willnot destroy us, but save us, which is the Good News. His purpose for comming is Salvation, not destruction. You see destruction because thats what YOU want God to do with those who are not as " Righteous as you are."

So you search the scriptures for destruction.

Peace.

 

[Enoch07]

Oh no, no. Jesus came not to destroy mens lives if they do not believe, he came to call the unbelievers to repentance. Your doctrine is seeking to destroy. Jesus himself in John 10:10;" The thief comes only to steal and " Destroy", I came that they may have Life, and have it in Adundance." Jesus is clearly telling us that God willnot destroy us, but save us, which is the Good News. His purpose for comming is Salvation, not destruction. You see destruction because thats what YOU want God to do with those who are not as " Righteous as you are."

So you search the scriptures for destruction.

Peace.

Yes, but you have to accept Christ in order to receive His blessings. Therefore not everyone will be saved. Only those that accept Jesus are saved. Atheist among others who do not repent and accept Christ will be doomed. So to say everyone will be saved is a lie.

Mathew 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in Heaven."

This is Jesus speaking directly to non-beleivers. If you deny Jesus, then Jesus denies you. Thus you cannot accept the blessing of eternal life after that He offers to us.

 

[mickiel]

Yes, but you have to accept Christ in order to receive His blessings. Therefore not everyone will be saved. Only those that accept Jesus are saved. Atheist among others who do not repent and accept Christ will be doomed. So to say everyone will be saved is a lie.
us.

There will be no" Doom", YOU just want to condemn Atheist. YOU just believe they are Doomed, because YOU want God to kill them. In Romans 5:18;" So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to "all "men, even so through one act of righteousness there " Resulted" Justification of Life to " All Men." To say everyone will be saved is scripture, scripture that you cannot see, because you are not searching the scripture for the Life of Atheist, your searching for their condemnation.

All men will be saved wether they accept Christ or not, salvation is a gift, not a result from human choice. Rom. 3:3;" What then if some humans do not believe in God? Their unbelief willNOT nullify the Faithfulness of God will it? No, it will never be." Humans not accepting God is not a criteria for their being condemned, there is now no more condemnation because of Christ.

Only certain followers of God are condemning people, because they hold a very narrow minded selfish view of Salvation.

Peace.

 

[Enoch07]

There will be no" Doom", YOU just want to condemn Atheist. YOU just believe they are Doomed, because YOU want God to kill them. In Romans 5:18;" So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to "all "men, even so through one act of righteousness there " Resulted" Justification of Life to " All Men." To say everyone will be saved is scripture, scripture that you cannot see, because you are not searching the scripture for the Life of Atheist, your searching for their condemnation.

All men will be saved wether they accept Christ or not, salvation is a gift, not a result from human choice. Rom. 3:3;" What then if some humans do not believe in God? Their unbelief willNOT nullify the Faithfulness of God will it? No, it will never be." Humans not accepting God is not a criteria for their being condemned, there is now no more condemnation because of Christ.

Only certain followers of God are condemning people, because they hold a very narrow minded selfish view of Salvation.

Peace.

Then why did Jesus say what he did in Mathew 10:33? Are you saying Jesus is a liar? I do not want anyone to be doomed. But if you follow the rules laid forth, and if atheist stay on the same path, they are dooming themselves.

You are ignoring what is said in the verse before Romans 5:18 and missing the point. If you read it even says that in order to receive salvation you have to go through Jesus. If you deny Jesus He will deny you. End of Story. Jesus will not put in a good word for someone that denies Him. If Jesus denies you then you are in trouble friend.

Romans 5:17 "For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. You cannot get to salvation through Jesus if you spit in His face and deny Him.

 

[Reverend Rick]

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[mickiel]

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You cannot get to salvation through Jesus if you spit in His face and deny Him.

This is just not true. Paul denied Jesus hundreds of times, and killed many christians, but Jesus forgave him and changed him. The Apostle Peter denied Jesus " 3" times, and Jesus forgave him. These are just two examples in the bible that show you can deny Christ and he will still forgive you.

You can " Kill Jesus", and he will still forgive you. When the Romans were Killing Christ at Golgotha, what was his aittitude? What did Jesus teach at his dying moment? Did he teach or say what you are saying? Did he say because you Romans deny me, Spit in my face, beat and kill me, that your doomed and condemned, that he will deny them before his Father? NO, Jesus said " Father Forgive them", because they don't know what they are doing. Thats the real Jesus. Thats the Lord Savior.

Jesus first reaction is to forgive, not to judge and condemn.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

This is just not true. Paul denied Jesus hundreds of times, and killed many christians, but Jesus forgave him and changed him. The Apostle Peter denied Jesus " 3" times, and Jesus forgave him. These are just two examples in the bible that show you can deny Christ and he will still forgive you.

You can " Kill Jesus", and he will still forgive you. When the Romans were Killing Christ at Golgotha, what was his aittitude? What did Jesus teach at his dying moment? Did he teach or say what you are saying? Did he say because you Romans deny me, Spit in my face, beat and kill me, that your doomed and condemned, that he will deny them before his Father? NO, Jesus said " Father Forgive them", because they don't know what they are doing. Thats the real Jesus. Thats the Lord Savior.

Jesus first reaction is to forgive, not to judge and condemn.

Peace.

But here we have christians, actual believers in God, going around condeming others just because they do not believe or confess Christ. And these believers have dominated the doctrines of this earth, forgetting that Jesus came to seek and save those who are LOST! Lost, meaning they willnot accept Christ, they have decided to deny him. Jesus CAME for such a group, but the righteous groups have decided to change Jesus mission to NOT comming for these Atheist, these murderers, these rapist, these child molesters. And have convinced the world of this.

Jesus came that we may have LIFE, not this eternal death that christians teach. Christians are the brother of the prodical son, who was jealous of his brothers repentance, and asked the father to ignore his return from sin.

The Father said no, I will accept my long lost son, and FORGIVE him.

This is what God will do.

And I am overjoyed to announce it.

Peace.

 

[Enoch07]

This is just not true. Paul denied Jesus hundreds of times, and killed many christians, but Jesus forgave him and changed him. The Apostle Peter denied Jesus " 3" times, and Jesus forgave him. These are just two examples in the bible that show you can deny Christ and he will still forgive you.

You can " Kill Jesus", and he will still forgive you. When the Romans were Killing Christ at Golgotha, what was his aittitude? What did Jesus teach at his dying moment? Did he teach or say what you are saying? Did he say because you Romans deny me, Spit in my face, beat and kill me, that your doomed and condemned, that he will deny them before his Father? NO, Jesus said " Father Forgive them", because they don't know what they are doing. Thats the real Jesus. Thats the Lord Savior.

Jesus first reaction is to forgive, not to judge and condemn.

Peace.

Yes but Paul changed. He did not deny Jesus all the way to the grave, thus since he accepted Jesus here in life Jesus did not deny him in the afterlife.

Because the Romans were not dead yet. How can He deny them if they had not lived their full life yet? There was a possibility that some would change their minds after Christ death, indeed some did. But the ones that still denied Him till their last breath here on earth, they are in trouble when they stand before God to be judged.

Sheesh toughen up a bit already. Some people are going to be damned, and it will be their own fault. Deal with it.

 

[mickiel]

Sheesh toughen up a bit already. Some people are going to be damned, and it will be their own fault. Deal with it.

Your religion teachs this village of the dammed, and you think God created it. Whats worse, is that you think thats being " Tough", then you tell me to toughen up. Thats really the sick concept of eternal suffering mentality, and the sick concept of eternal death mentality that religion has heaped on the belief of simular minded people. You want a curse, your belief needs a curse, your desire NEEDS certain people to be dammed, you WANT the Doom. Your belief NEEDS the doom. It feeds on it.

When God comes to earth, he has promised that there will be no more mourning, no more crying, no more pain, all these things will pass away, Rev.21:4. You are teaching that these things are what God is going to do, the bible is teaching that God will stop these things and put an end to them. Your teaching that God will put an end to the humans he created and Loves.

And I say thats a sick teaching.

Peace.

 

[Enoch07]

Your religion teachs this village of the dammed, and you think God created it. Whats worse, is that you think thats being " Tough", then you tell me to toughen up. Thats really the sick concept of eternal suffering mentality, and the sick concept of eternal death mentality that religion has heaped on the belief of simular minded people. You want a curse, your belief needs a curse, your desire NEEDS certain people to be dammed, you WANT the Doom. Your belief NEEDS the doom. It feeds on it.

When God comes to earth, he has promised that there will be no more mourning, no more crying, no more pain, all these things will pass away, Rev.21:4. You are teaching that these things are what God is going to do, the bible is teaching that God will stop these things and put an end to them. Your teaching that God will put an end to the humans he created and Loves.

And I say thats a sick teaching.

Peace.

He also teaches:

Revelations 20:15 "And anyone not found in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

Do you see now? God has told us Himself that there will be people not found in the Book of Life therefore casting them into the lake of fire. You just don't get it. I do not want anyone to be doomed. But I accept the fact that some people will deny God, thus dooming themselves. Because God repeatedly warns us the dangers of denying Him. And even tells us that there will be ones that will deny Him. You are denying him at this very moment by saying that even if you don't believe in Jesus you will still be saved, and pass judgment. Do you see how this is contradictory to Gods word?

Listen.....I love my brother, but if he is convicted of murder I would send him to the electric chair, just like I would any other cold blooded murderer. Its called tough love. God exercises it with vigor. Just because God loves you does not mean He will let you get away with all wrongdoings either, not without repentance at the very least.

 

[mickiel]

He also teaches:

Revelations 20:15 "And anyone not found in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."quote

And what does God use fire to do? You think destroy or hurt, because thats the only mentality that you see in scripture. This world does not need God to punish it, we all need to be saved, including those that you exclude. The people you are willing to condemn, they NEED salvation more than you do. Your the brother of the prodical son, who thinks that just because he has been obedient, that his wayward brother needs to be condemned. But the Father welcomed him back and threw a feast, because what was lost, is now found. But he had to come to himself. And God had to help him come to himself. Your so bloodthristy for condemnation, you think God willnot help blind and ignorant denying humanity. You don't see the Salvation of sinners, only those like yourself. Because your willing for them to perish, but God is not willing, nor has he willed, ANY to perish, but for ALL to come to repentance.

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Listen.....I love my brother, but if he is convicted of murder I would send him to the electric chair, just like I would any other cold blooded murderer. Its called tough love. God exercises it with vigor. Just because God loves you does not mean He will let you get away with all wrongdoings either, not without repentance at the very least.

Who is it that leads people to repent? Is it their self will, self motivation, self choice? Rom.2:4;" Do you think lightly of the RICHES of Gods Kindness and Forbearence and Patience, " Not Knowing" that the Kindness of God LEADS you to Repentance?" See you don't know this, this kindness of God. It is GOD that LEADS humans to repent, not anything within themselves. Your teaching and believing in a " Self Improvement Repentance by human choice." The bible does not teach that. John 6:44;" No one can COME to me unless the Father who sent me DRAW them." This is how those who deny God can only " Come to themselves." God has to wake them, they cannot wake themselves. Your trying to condemn people who are blind and cannot see. Jesus came to earth in order to save LOST people, blind people, God haters and God denying people.

Your just trying to exclude these sinners from Salvation. You think Jesus just came for the righteous and not sinners. Its the most ugliest belief on this planet. 1Tim. 2:3-4;"This is GOOD and ACCEPTABLE in the sight of God our Savior, who DESIRES that ALL humans be saved and come into his right knowledge." God considers it GOOD and ACCEPTABLE that all humans are to be saved, YOU don't consider this acceptable. YOU don't desire what God desires, YOU don't believe that God will GET what he desires. Job 23:13;" But God is unique and who can turn him? What his soul DESIRES, that he DOES." His expressed desire is that all humans be saved, and thats what he is going to do.

Your just an unbeliever in this.

Peace.

 

[Enoch07]

Who is it that leads people to repent? Is it their self will, self motivation, self choice?

That is different for everybody I think. I refused to live by Gods rules, messed up my life, got tired of fighting every second of every day, no peace of mind, constant chaos in my life, finally got sick of all that and decided to allow God to take control of my life. Its been smooth coasting ever since. God was there waiting for me the whole time, all I had to do was turn around to see Him. So yes repentance is choice. I know this because I have walked both sides of life, with and without God. I must say with God is a million times better. Jesus came for sinners, like me. But He will not help you unless you decide to let Him into your life. Its called free will. The choice is yours and yours alone.

 

[mickiel]

That is different for everybody I think. I refused to live by Gods rules, messed up my life, got tired of fighting every second of every day, no peace of mind, constant chaos in my life, finally got sick of all that and decided to allow God to take control of my life. Its been smooth coasting ever since. God was there waiting for me the whole time, all I had to do was turn around to see Him. So yes repentance is choice. I know this because I have walked both sides of life, with and without God. I must say with God is a million times better. Jesus came for sinners, like me. But He will not help you unless you decide to let Him into your life. Its called free will. The choice is yours and yours alone.

Well peace to you on your journey, I am happy things changed for you. I disagree with your view of the bible, but I am happy for your change in life. Nice speaking with you.

Peace then.

 

[theonetemplar]

I am a Christian, and I would like to shed a bit of light on this. God isn't a cruel, hateful, God; He is a loving God. He doesn't cast people into Hell kicking and screaming and begging for mercy; He casts them in with them shaking their fists and saying "We-Will-Not-Do-Things-Your-Way!" Our Most Holy God is loving and merciful, however we defy Him, we sin, we commit evil acts, and we do not repent. This is why there is a Hell, a place for those who defy our All-Knowing Heavenly Father, who will not accept His Divine and Holy rules. It is a place of evil, and as you might well imagine, evil cannot be allowed in Heaven. This is what I believe as a Christian and a member of the Order of True Christianity.

God Bless
-Templar