The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

[mickiel]

The sick concept of eternal hell suffering is proof that Christianity itself is sick. And also proves that whole organizations can be deceived, and not even be aware of the deception. I think that Christians and Atheist are two good examples of deceptions awesome power. The groups are just off man, way out in left feild. And both groups think they have hit home runs.

This kind of mental sickness is what created this false concept of eternal hell suffering, and I will get back into that.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

The sick concept of eternal hell suffering is proof that Christianity itself is sick. And also proves that whole organizations can be deceived, and not even be aware of the deception. I think that Christians and Atheist are two good examples of deceptions awesome power. The groups are just off man, way out in left feild. And both groups think they have hit home runs.

This kind of mental sickness is what created this false concept of eternal hell suffering, and I will get back into that.

Peace.

Is it some kind of law that all Christians believe in eternal hell? I don't think so. And please may I ask what you think an atheist is?

 

[mickiel]

Is it some kind of law that all Christians believe in eternal hell? I don't think so. And please may I ask what you think an atheist is?

No you may not, I hold no intrest in how you think, I have seen it before.

Besides, I have already defined Atheist, go back and find it for yourself.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

No you may not, I hold no intrest in how you think, I have seen it before.

Besides, I have already defined Atheist, go back and find it for yourself.

Peace.

You have therefore proved that you are here not to discuss, but simply to proselytize. Are you aware this is a forum for debate?

 

[mickiel]

You have therefore proved that you are here not to discuss, but simply to proselytize. Are you aware this is a forum for debate?

I debate everyday here, I just don't like talking to you.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

You have therefore proved that you are here not to discuss, but simply to proselytize. Are you aware this is a forum for debate?

Perhaps you shouldn't have used the word proselytize, sometimes one needs to keep things simple to be understood.

And what an incredibly cheerful post, Brother2. Welcome to RF, I haven't seen you here before.

 

[Brother2]

Perhaps you shouldn't have used the word proselytize, sometimes one needs to keep things simple to be understood.

And what an incredibly cheerful post, Brother2. Welcome to RF, I haven't seen you here before.

Thank you for that! It is a Pleasure. I love to Share while Respecting and Loving everyone who uses some of their own Valuable Time to Contribute....:camp:
Shalom. May God bless all here. brother2:candle::grill:me stirring the pot...

 

[shadze]

Hi guys and gals. I refer you to my Previous thread...Bible does not Teach Eternal Suffering but Eternal Punishment rather than Eternal Punishing...Comprehendi??:slap:

Regarding the 'Worm that does not die and the Fire not quenched' ha ha Good News Folks...Until everything is Burned Up...then the Worm is dead and the Fire is Quenched...Praise God!!:tigger:

The best example is Sodom and Gomorrah...it was Destroyed by Eternal Fire OK? Yet it went out when the 'Work' was Completed...When Everything Was Burned UP!!:clap

Good News Friends...the Gospel is Good News and so is 'God's Strange Act'...the destruction of the Wicked...Lucifer the fallen archangel and his followers who Refuse to Accept the Free Gift of Eternal Life offered by our Creator Saviour King Jesus!!resent2:resent1:

Believe and be Saved and get Eternal Life and Happiness...:yes:

Shalom. May God bless all here. brother2.

The saddest thing about your thread is the majority of mankind will be thown into the lake of fire. Stupid odds to create mankind and have most of them destroyed.
This God has no wisdom. My God saves all. Wastes nothing. And has a rehibilitation plan. You God is useless and powerless .

 

[mickiel]

The saddest thing about your thread is the majority of mankind will be thown into the lake of fire. Stupid odds to create mankind and have most of them destroyed.
This God has no wisdom. My God saves all. Wastes nothing. And has a rehibilitation plan. You God is useless and powerless .

But he has a good heart, I can sense that.

At least he has that.

Peace.

 

[Brother2]

Shadzell...

Thanks for that Michiel!

Wow guys and gals such reluctance to accept the Good News that the Creator of Heaven and Earth wants to Save every Human Being who has ever lived BUT there always has to be a BUT...:shout

Lord Jesus Creator can only Save those who WANT to be Saved...He Created us all with Free Will and Free Choice...so he Respects and Loves us just as I share that same Love and Respect with this Great Forum:camp: and He Respects our Free Choice!!

He loved us enough to leave His Kingly Throne and come down here to this Dark World and become part of his Creation...to become a human(while remaining also Divine) within the womb of a sinner Mary...a very special lady who was able to teach Baby Jesus His own Word and tell Him who He was and is...and armed with this Arsenal of Knowledge he went out to Save the World...our Superman folks...but he often :sad4ver His Children who ridiculed Him and eventually Crucified Himself on Calvary...but what did He say 'Father forgive them because they know not what they do'.

Such Love friends! How can we resist such Eternal Love and Respect in a Planet gone Mad and nearing its End...the End is Nigh folks...Prepare to Meet thy God...not as a Baby but as a King next time in His Second Advent! This time to dispense Justice to all.:shout:shout:shout 3 Angels Message of Revelation 14

Shalom. May God bless all here. brother2:grill:

 

[mickiel]

Shadzell...

Thanks for that Michiel!

Lord Jesus Creator can only Save those who WANT to be Saved...He Created us all with Free Will and Free Choice...so he Respects and Loves us just as I share that same Love :grill:

I sense your Love, but disagree with the statement that God can only save those who want to be saved. If I were going to kill myself, and you had the ability to stop me, in effect save me, would you leave that to my choice of wanting to be saved, or ignore that and save me reguardless?

What would a God do in this situation?

Peace.

 

[Brother D. Thomas]

MICKIEL'S IGNORANT QUOTE: " I just can't imagine how out of control this hell fire belief has gotten. And how much these bloodthirsty christians who teach it have ruined Gods reputation."

This pseudo-christian, that goes under the moniker of "Mickiel", is just another "Burger King Christian", where they want their scriptures to read "their way!" This type of Christian are a dime-a-dozen! If anything, Mickiel is ruining the Christian God's TRUE reputation!

The TRUE teaching that there is an eternal Hell, in which hordes of mankind will suffer eternal punishment, can be a difficult doctrine to accept, as Mickiel shows us. We hear so much about God's infinite love and how He desires that all men be saved (1 Tim. 2:4). However, those who develop their theologies based upon the "gentle" side of God do so with an incomplete and erroneous picture!

Jesus states that they shall be gathered together and hurled into a furnace of fire where there will be uncontrollable wailing and gnashing of teeth! (Matthew 13:41-42, 50)

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (Matthew 25:46)

"The mighty man will become tinder and his work a spark; both will burn together, with no one to quench the fire." (Isaiah 1:31)

The verses listed above are only a few that equate an eternal suffering of those that don't accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Who is Mickiel to usurp the words of Jesus the Christ, as God, when it comes to eternal suffering in Hell? HELLO, ANYBODY HOME?

Brother D. Thomas

 

[richardlowellt]

We hear so much about God's infinite love and how He desires that all men be saved (1 Tim. 2:4)

Which I guess is pretty much a bold faced lie.

. However, those who develop their theologies based upon the "gentle" side of God do so with an incomplete and erroneous picture!

Yes they do, and to complete that "other" side of God, we find a tyrant demon god not worthy of anyones worship.

Jesus states that they shall be gathered together and hurled into a furnace of fire where there will be uncontrollable wailing and gnashing of teeth! (Matthew 13:41-42, 50)

And until this meek and mild savior, there was never the mention of this furnace of fire.

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (Matthew 25:46)

"The mighty man will become tinder and his work a spark; both will burn together, with no one to quench the fire." (Isaiah 1:31)

The verses listed above are only a few that equate an eternal suffering of those that don't accept Jesus Christ as their Savior

How is this any different from any other dictator that has ever inflicted his will on his people? And of the billions that share another belief, what is to become of them? What of the isolated people who never hear of this Jesus thing? Are you and those who follow your belief that arrogant to assume that you alone have the one true religion, and all others will be case into this pit of fire? No wonder millions upon millions have died horrible deaths over who's god is the "Right" one. That kind of mindset is and has always been a poison to our species.

Who is Mickiel to usurp the words of Jesus the Christ, as God, when it comes to eternal suffering in Hell? HELLO, ANYBODY HOME?

And who are you to dictate your beliefs about jesus the christ as being absolute? HELLO ANYONE HOME?????

 

[Spiritone]

When are you going to let up about a supposed fire that is going to burn, what? Your physical body? It will be dead, period. There is no fire that you are going to burn in for all eternity. If you think it's your spirit that is going to burn can you imagine a spirit burning in a physical fire or even a spiritual fire.
The only hell is on earth as we should have realized already.

 

[Brother D. Thomas]

RICHARD QUOTE: "And who are you to dictate your beliefs about jesus the christ as being absolute? HELLO ANYONE HOME?????"

Barring the use of an adage of mine, for the lack of anything new from you, the TRUE Christian can gain solace in knowing that WE are the chosen ones because our God says so within Christian scriptures! 2+2=4

In Acts 4:12 “ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Get it? Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

I suggest that you obtain an asbestos suit before your untimely demise, because where you are going, eternal flames and sulfur lakes await you!

Brother D. Thomas

 

[Brother D. Thomas]

SPIRIT'S UNGODLY AND IGNORANT QUOTE: "If you think it's your spirit that is going to burn can you imagine a spirit burning in a physical fire or even a spiritual fire."

BROTHER D'S GODLY INSPIRED RESPONSE: “But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.” (1 Corinthians 15:20)

If Jesus can be raised from the dead in His earthly natural state, then upon the resurrection, we will also be raised in the same manner, praise!

“For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.” (Philippians 3:20-21)

In any event, we will have some sort of body that is either going to heaven, or can BURN IN HELL as stated above!

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched”. ( Mark 9:43 )

In the passage above, it clearly states that we will enter either Heaven or Hell with some sort of “body” , of which, can be either rejoiced in Heaven, OR BURNED IN HELL!

Please, don’t waste my time with such sophomoric propositions. Thank you.

Brother D.

 

[YmirGF]

In the passage above, it clearly states that we will enter either Heaven or Hell with some sort of “body” , of which, can be either rejoiced in Heaven, OR BURNED IN HELL!

Please, don’t waste my time with such sophomoric propositions. Thank you.

Brother D.

Well, aren't you a proverbial ray of sunshine.

Isn't it time for you to give some wayward strumpet a good tongue-lashing...
... for Jesus, of course.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Brother Thomas is "old school". I love the fire and brimstone sermons. They take me back in time.

What I find odd is when people become upset about where someone they don't believe in is going to send them.

 

[ragordon168]

MICKIEL'S IGNORANT QUOTE: " I just can't imagine how out of control this hell fire belief has gotten. And how much these bloodthirsty christians who teach it have ruined Gods reputation."

This pseudo-christian, that goes under the moniker of "Mickiel", is just another "Burger King Christian", where they want their scriptures to read "their way!" This type of Christian are a dime-a-dozen! If anything, Mickiel is ruining the Christian God's TRUE reputation!

The TRUE teaching that there is an eternal Hell, in which hordes of mankind will suffer eternal punishment, can be a difficult doctrine to accept, as Mickiel shows us. We hear so much about God's infinite love and how He desires that all men be saved (1 Tim. 2:4). However, those who develop their theologies based upon the "gentle" side of God do so with an incomplete and erroneous picture!

Jesus states that they shall be gathered together and hurled into a furnace of fire where there will be uncontrollable wailing and gnashing of teeth! (Matthew 13:41-42, 50)

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (Matthew 25:46)

"The mighty man will become tinder and his work a spark; both will burn together, with no one to quench the fire." (Isaiah 1:31)

The verses listed above are only a few that equate an eternal suffering of those that don't accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Who is Mickiel to usurp the words of Jesus the Christ, as God, when it comes to eternal suffering in Hell? HELLO, ANYBODY HOME?

Brother D. Thomas

you keep saying that all christianity is false and the TRUE message isnt being taught. hello there is no true version. no matter what version you use there will have always been changes made by those in power.

the whole fire and brimstone thing was created as a scare tactic to control the masses. its like the terrorist thing now - "every shadow holds a terrorist waiting to kill you and your family" now people are scared and allow big brother to take more control over their lives.

 

[richardlowellt]

RICHARD QUOTE: "And who are you to dictate your beliefs about jesus the christ as being absolute? HELLO ANYONE HOME?????"

Barring the use of an adage of mine, for the lack of anything new from you, the TRUE Christian can gain solace in knowing that WE are the chosen ones because our God says so within Christian scriptures! 2+2=4

And what of those who believe that Allah has chosen them as the chosen ones, or any other religion who'd followers feel the same, their all wrong and will suffer in your gods hell? What arrogance, such close mindedness, that your group alone is the right one. Of course being self-center and arrogant are not new to your religion, the idea that the entire cosmos was created just for you, and that you are way to important to just die, so special dispensation has been awarded to the "elite" and you will live forever, how utterly foolish.

In Acts 4:12 “ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Get it? Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.

This what you believe, it is NOT A FACT, get it???

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

Yes, I'm quite sure he did!!!

I suggest that you obtain an asbestos suit before your untimely demise, because where you are going, eternal flames and sulfur lakes await you!

LOL, I am certainly NOT going to lose any sleep over that thought, no more than I am worries about the big bad wolf coming to blow my door down. But the real danger here is what you and others do to the unformed minds of the children, to me it is nothing short of child abuse, you might as well tell them a horrid creature lives under their bed and any time they do wrong it will come up and bite them, actually the only difference here is that the horrible creature lives in the sky and is called god. Violent, irrational, allied to bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free thought, contemptuous of women, and the worst in my opinion, coercive to children, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.