The solution is to arm every person in America

[tytlyf]

Now THAT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ was insulting, unfair, untrue, bigoted, and betrays your
intelligence...................or lack thereof.

What other Amendment to our Constitution do you want to abolish?

Nope. Those are the facts. No one is calling for the abolishment of the 2A, whoever told you that is lying to you and scaring you on purpose. But it's good for sales!! $$$

 

[Demonslayer]

So much for small government, apparently.

This. The "small government party" is at it again.

 

[LuisDantas]

Are there truly so few people who notice that the Second Ammendment is entirely unsuitable as justification for non-milicians to own firearms? All the more seeing how the firearms that could be conceived of at the time were so unlike those of the current day?

 

[jeager106]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

 

[metis]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

If you are going to compare us to Germany in this area, do you think it's OK to compare Trump to Hitler?

BTW, the issue of gun control goes back way before the Weimar-- even in old Dodge City they were smart enough to know that allowing guns to be carried freely by anyone was a recipe for disaster.

 

[jeager106]

Are there truly so few people who notice that the Second Ammendment is entirely unsuitable as justification for non-milicians to own firearms? All the more seeing how the firearms that could be conceived of at the time were so unlike those of the current day?

The firearms of those times used by Americans breaking from Britain matched
the weapons of the army of Britain.
Today civilians weapons match those of the military.
Small arms of course.
Not attack helicopters, tanks, and such.
An armed rebellion of Americans against the Federal Gov'ment would be
SUICIDE.
No one is preaching an armed rebellion now are they?

 

[jeager106]

If you are going to compare us to Germany in this area, do you think it's OK to compare Trump to Hitler?

Oh, pleeease don't even go there.

BTW, the issue of gun control goes back way before the Weimar-- even in old Dodge City they were smart enough to know that allowing guns to be carried freely by anyone was a recipe for disaster.

Of course it does. But no one confiscated them.
The goal of the ultra libs is to confiscate, eliminate.

 

[metis]

Of course it does. But no one confiscated them.
The goal of the ultra libs is to confiscate, eliminate.

I personally don't know any libs who want to do that, including none here, but maybe there are some to be found somewhere in the USA.

 

[jeager106]

Does registration lead to confiscation as it did in Hitler's Germany?
No. I don't believe so, not in the U.S.
Even a gun owner like me would have a hard time believing that anti gun
people want to take my legally owned firearms away.
Mine are LOCKED up in a huge metal gun safe that was EXPENSIVE.
I'd not want to loose them to a burglar where they would end up in
the hands of criminals that would likely hurt someone(s).
Pass a law that all but one defensive weapon be in a gun safe?
I'm good with that.
Then I'd buy stock in the gun safe companies.

 

[Altfish]

Of course it does. But no one confiscated them.
The goal of the ultra libs is to confiscate, eliminate.

I don't believe the 'ultra libs' do want to ban all guns, but an element of licencing and control would reduce incidents.

The message pumped out by the NRA is exaggerated propaganda to put fear into the ammosexual brigade, it is as always lies.

 

[esmith]

I don't believe the 'ultra libs' do want to ban all guns, but an element of licencing and control would reduce incidents.

The message pumped out by the NRA is exaggerated propaganda to put fear into the ammosexual brigade, it is as always lies.

First I know what licensing is, but what do you mean by "control".

Second how would licensing decrease "incidents"

Third I will wait to you explain what "control" means before I ask how "control" would decrease incidents.

 

[David1967]

Many have presented this idea, do you think it will work? A $100 billion dollar bill is being needed to make sure people who can't afford guns get a subsidy to make sure they can go buy a gun. The only requirements is to pass a background check.

If you have no criminal history, you qualify. We can't take any chances and we've seen all too often that there isn't a good guy with a gun to stop the bad guy. This will fix that. Additionally, crime rates will drop tremendously due to more good guys outnumbering the bad.

Should this bill pass?

No I don't think so. My reason for saying no is that I don't think I (the taxpayer) should have to buy a gun for anyone. I do however think that any law abiding citizen with no criminal history should be able to purchase and carry a firearm for self defense.

 

[Altfish]

First I know what licensing is, but what do you mean by "control".

Second how would licensing decrease "incidents"

Third I will wait to you explain what "control" means before I ask how "control" would decrease incidents.

Control means reducing/eliminating the availability of military style automatic weapons. Maybe allowing them in hunting situations but certainly not the sort of weapon that can be flaunted in 'open carry' bravado.

Licencing would stop people who are on the likes of the no-fly list from getting weapons. People with a history of violence maybe.
Also people would have to pass a basic test before they can have a gun. Just like you do with a car.
Licencing would decrease incidents because some of the fringe nutcases would have a harder time getting weapons.

 

[BSM1]

If you are going to compare us to Germany in this area, do you think it's OK to compare Trump to Hitler?

BTW, the issue of gun control goes back way before the Weimar-- even in old Dodge City they were smart enough to know that allowing guns to be carried freely by anyone was a recipe for disaster.

Except in a few movie scenes when were people not allowed to freely carry in old Dodge City?

Control means reducing/eliminating the availability of military style automatic weapons. Maybe allowing them in hunting situations but certainly not the sort of weapon that can be flaunted in 'open carry' bravado.

Licencing would stop people who are on the likes of the no-fly list from getting weapons. People with a history of violence maybe.
Also people would have to pass a basic test before they can have a gun. Just like you do with a car.
Licencing would decrease incidents because some of the fringe nutcases would have a harder time getting weapons.

You do realize that automatic weapons have been illegal in the US for about 80 years, military style or not?

 

[Quintessence]

We can't take any chances and we've seen all too often that there isn't a good guy with a gun to stop the bad guy. This will fix that. Additionally, crime rates will drop tremendously due to more good guys outnumbering the bad.

Quite possibly one of the most naive and misguided statements I've had the pleasure of reading on the forums.

Should this bill pass?

This isn't even remotely a good use of taxpayer money.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Me? I'm waiting for household nuclear weapons.
What could possibly go wrong?

Atomic hand grenades. Pull the pin and watch 'em glow!

 

[Altfish]

You do realize that automatic weapons have been illegal in the US for about 80 years, military style or not?

OK, maybe I'm using the wrong technical term

 

[jeager106]

OK, maybe I'm using the wrong technical term

If you don't know then just google some info and not seem like another unknowing
gunophobe.

Perhaps learn the difference between semi-automatic and fully automatic and
select fire, and single shot, and pump, bolt, action and..................
Be informed. Then comments might gain a modicum of validity.
MOST of my firearms are intended for use with black powder only and take
at least 5 minutes to prepare the weapon for loading and another few minutes
to properly recharge with a fresh load.
Yet these are the assault weapons of that period of time.

Where I live there are NO restrictions on original or replica weapons of that
era.
I target shoot with them, hunt game with them and there are a blast to shoot.
(forgive the intentional pun.)
I've taken whitetail deer with them.
Tell me? As an aside would this country enjoy the wild game populations we have?
How much do non-hunters pay to ensure we have wetlands for water fowl to live and]
breed. NOTHING.
It was conservationist outdoors people that ensured we set aside the refuges we
have for wild critters.
I spend upwards of $100 bucks plus just to harvest a duck or two per season.
It isn't about taking game it's about being there and enjoying things.
A duck dinner is a bonus.
My guns won't harm anyone not harming me or mine....or YOU.
I was a police officer in an Ohio small city that ranked in the top 10 for violent
crime in Ohio.
Of ALL the homicides I investigated very few involved a firearm.
Knives led, then hard objects such as bricks & such, even ONE with a GOLF SHAFT.
Beatings accounted for a surprising number.
I recall a very tragic incident where punks robbed a 93 year old retired
college professor of under 20 bucks and KICKED him to death.
I charged the punks with aggravated murder only to have the grand jury
indict for voluntary manslaughter.
Why? The old guy died days later of pneumonia thus the cause of death was
ruled "natural causes".
I objected vehemently and was nearly reprimanded for that.
I got a nasty chewing out by the county prosecutor!
I did put them away for 20 to 40 years.
They got out in 7 moved to W.Va. and killed another person.
DAMN!
Let's ban feet, and knives, and golf shafts, and...........................
Ban Criminals maybe?
Suicides are a different story concerning firearms.
I saw people start their car in a closed garage and die of carbon monoxide,
slit wrists, even get in a bath tube full of water and DRAINO.
THAT was frugly.
Sadly one car/carbon monoxide suicide KILLED the children in the house also
as the fumes worked into the home.
Wonder perhaps why I began to drink heavily?
Do ya huh?
FIVE YEARS in psychotherapy for nightmares and p.t.s.d.
But I'm better now better now better now better now better now better now.
Kidding. I'm fine and have quit boozing to blot out the memories and flashbacks.
But do NOT sneak up behind be and yell boo!
I might turn quickly swinging.

I'm not so "pro-gun" to not see that it's hard to do a drive-by clubbing or attack
a group of innocents with a brick.
I get that.

 

[esmith]

Control means reducing/eliminating the availability of military style automatic weapons. Maybe allowing them in hunting situations but certainly not the sort of weapon that can be flaunted in 'open carry' bravado.

We already have laws governing "automatic" firearms. There are many steps to take to be able to purchase a pre-1986 automatic weapon (only automatics manufactured prior to 1986 are legal for private citizens)
1. Find a Class III firearm dealer that has one for sale. Average cost is around $4000.00
2. Have your local Sheriff complete ATF Form 4. Sheriff will probably do their own background check
3. Submit Form 4 to the ATF along with all of the required paperwork
4. Pay a $200 for a tax stamp
5. Wait a considerable amount of time for the ATF to approve your purchase
6. Purchase the weapon.

Licencing would stop people who are on the likes of the no-fly list from getting weapons. People with a history of violence maybe.
Also people would have to pass a basic test before they can have a gun. Just like you do with a car.
Licencing would decrease incidents because some of the fringe nutcases would have a harder time getting weapons.

How would all of this stop a criminal from obtaining a firearm from an illegal source.
FYI are you advocating for non-judicial actions to prevent someone from purchasing a firearm?

 

[jeager106]

Control means reducing/eliminating the availability of military style automatic weapons. Maybe allowing them in hunting situations but certainly not the sort of weapon that can be flaunted in 'open carry' bravado.

Licencing would stop people who are on the likes of the no-fly list from getting weapons. People with a history of violence maybe.
Also people would have to pass a basic test before they can have a gun. Just like you do with a car.
Licencing would decrease incidents because some of the fringe nutcases would have a harder time getting weapons.

L I C E N S E... not L I C E N C E

We already HAVE background checks!!!!
Please be informed.
In Ohio it's called instacheck.
That does not prevent a person with no criminal background from buying a gun
for nefarious purposes.
Nor does it prevent a person with no criminal background from buying a weapon for
someone that can't buy one by law.
That in and of itself is a Federal Felony but goes on all the time. Not a lot but it does
happen.
Who knows what lives in the hearts of people?
Miami?
I'd be quite happy with NO weapons if any kind in this world.
That includes all military, bombs, rockets, bullets, nukes, etc.
Oh, were it a perfect world.