The solution is to arm every person in America

[BSM1]

OK, maybe I'm using the wrong technical term

Most do...

 

[metis]

Apples to oranges.

Only because that's the way you want to see it. Many studies have confirmed that, on the average, those areas with a greater proliferation of guns tend to have higher homicide and violent crime rates, and one can easily google that info. from general stats.

Or just use common sense-- the more guns in circulation, the more things that can go wrong, including family/friend disputes, suicides, and accidental shootings, which kill more people each year by far than criminals killed by people defending themselves.

 

[Aquitaine]

Should be mandatory that you become responsible for your and your family's safety.

Exactly, which is why the first thing one should do to guarantee such safety is to dispose of all firearms in ones possession as soon as possible.
Granted I live in the UK, things are a little different here.

 

[jeager106]

............ so you might support a number of changes?
Regulation which would include...
Total ban on Assault type rifles (no possible civilian use)

As I said I target shoot, hunt varmints. Do FAR MORE shooting at targets than
anything else.

^^^ NO. Can't have mine thank you. I hunt game with mine and target shoot.
Criminal Record checks.
^^ Already in place and has been for years. (1968)
Mandatory training courses and examinations.
^^ Good idea I think. Florida has such for C.C.W.
Licensing.
Licensing what. Permission to own? NO.
Background checks should uncover any criminal record.
Mandatory 3rd party insurance cover for carrying in public places.

Such already exists in some places. No Criminal would do such much less a terrorist
Firearms Control Officer visit to ensure safety and security is adequate.
In the home? NO. We have a Constitution.

Police powers to seize and crush any illicit guns found.
In my city guns used in crimes went to the steel mill and melted into equipment
by court order.
Then in about a century your Great Grandchildren might benefit?

^^^ Silly remark.

 

[metis]

In Alaska we can pack concealed, or open-carry, - and we do, including me, - and we do NOT have a problem from such.

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Oh yes you have, or at least have had, so don't try to BS me on that.

Back in 1967, I was offered a job teaching at Fairbanks High School, and I turned that job down for two main reasons: one is that my wife, who was born and raised in Italy, didn't like the cold, and the other was the high rate of violent crime, including homicides, per 100,000 population (Fairbanks didn't have that high a population back then, however, but situations like that are pro-rated based on what they do have).

By coincidence, a man who may have taken that same job, I ended up working with starting some tiime in the early 1970's, and he talked about the wild bar scene, with gunshots ringing out on a regular basis, but that wasn't the only problem. He hated it and left.

Also, just a reminder that the proliferation of guns is not the only factor in regards to violent crime rates.

 

[jeager106]

Stats.
All Illicit Drugs Combined (2000)2 17,000

Guns: ( homicide ) 16,121

Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis 36,427 Alcoholic Liver Disease [subset of Chronic Liver Disease] 18,146 - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death#sthash.xmh5TglW.dpuf

suicide: 41,149

I could go on and on and on in an attempt to appeal to logic but this issue
of gun control is so emotionally charged as to negate common sense.
It appears to me that there is nothing common about sense.

 

[metis]

^^^ Silly remark.

Ya, I can just picture Jesus tending his flock with an AR-15 slung over his shoulder.

 

[jeager106]

Oh yes you have, or at least have had, so don't try to BS me on that.

Back in 1967, I was offered a job teaching at Fairbanks High School, and I turned that job down for two main reasons: one is that my wife, who was born and raised in Italy, didn't like the cold, and the other was the high rate of violent crime, including homicides, per 100,000 population (Fairbanks didn't have that high a population back then, however, but situations like that are pro-rated based on what they do have).

By coincidence, a man who may have taken that same job, I ended up working with starting some tiime in the early 1970's, and he talked about the wild bar scene, with gunshots ringing out on a regular basis, but that wasn't the only problem. He hated it and left.

Also, just a reminder that the proliferation of guns is not the only factor in regards to violent crime rates.

Well I'll be............................
A sensible post!
Drug wars anyone?
How many Americans DIE of drug overdoses due to the proliferation of illegal
drugs.
I recently had occasion to speak with a number of people in drug and alcohol
rehab.
There were many times more drug addicts than those that abuse alcohol which IS legal.
I asked may where they got these illegal drugs.
"Everywhere and anywhere."
Most ALL the inpatients were decent people with marriages, jobs, and no criminal
records. They were caught up in the drug culture that is an epidemic here in
the U.S.
BAN ILLEGAL DRUGS!
Oh! THEY ARE BANNED!

 

[oldbadger]

^^^ Silly remark.

Don't hold your breath.
Some States are moving to mandatory insurance, too many children are getting maimed and killed in accidents, you can hunt your varmints with (say) 5 or 7 shot fixed mags which require hand loading, there are far too many injury incidents........... not so silly.

 

[metis]

Stats.
All Illicit Drugs Combined (2000)2 17,000

Guns: ( homicide ) 16,121

Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis 36,427 Alcoholic Liver Disease [subset of Chronic Liver Disease] 18,146 - See more at: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death#sthash.xmh5TglW.dpuf

suicide: 41,149

I could go on and on and on in an attempt to appeal to logic but this issue
of gun control is so emotionally charged as to negate common sense.
It appears to me that there is nothing common about sense.

Comparing that to other things that can kill people is really nonsensical because it negates the pathetic importance of the fact that there are roughly 30,000+ violent gun deaths per year here in the States. And to you, that's all fine and dandy? Tell me, exactly how is it that this supposedly is OK, and precisely how does this fit into your religious faith?

Nah. never mind-- I'm no longer interested in someone who feels that this is all fine and proper, and that it somehow miraculously is compatible with even the most basic teachings found in most of the world's religions.

 

[oldbadger]

How many Americans DIE of drug overdoses due to the proliferation of illegal
drugs...................................
Oh! THEY ARE BANNED!

....that's called diversionary tactics, and probably means that you're on the ropes!

Training, examination, insurance and licensing would be a great idea.

10,000 Kids Are Injured Or Killed By Guns Each Year In The U.S. ...
thinkprogress.org/.../2014/.../kids-gun-violence-killed-injuries/
27 Jan 2014 ... Twice as many kids are killed by guns than by cancer. ... by Tara Culp-Ressler
Jan 27, 2014 9:00 am ... Doctors are pointing to the new data as further evidence
of the serious public health toll that gun violence takes on America's youth. ... An
additional 2,149 were accidents, and 270 were suicide attempts.
Look at how many kids get hurt through gun ignorance. (below).
Now, a Firearms Officer visit m,ight be able to advise to stop some of these.
Not so silly.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Many have presented this idea, do you think it will work? A $100 billion dollar bill is being needed to make sure people who can't afford guns get a subsidy to make sure they can go buy a gun. The only requirements is to pass a background check.

If you have no criminal history, you qualify. We can't take any chances and we've seen all too often that there isn't a good guy with a gun to stop the bad guy. This will fix that. Additionally, crime rates will drop tremendously due to more good guys outnumbering the bad.

Should this bill pass?

I can only see more gun deaths as a result.
This doesn't fully concern me, I cannot legally posses a firearm.
However, I'd prefer not to be shot by some idiot wanting to play hero in a crowd panic situation.
I also wouldn't like it too much if my always intoxicated neighbors had such weapons, they can't even be trusted with silverware.

 

[Ingledsva]

Good grief, if the US is ever defeated a load of gun nuts won't be much use against nuclear weapons, drones, etc.

Actually I believe the 2A is so we have weapons against a government gone wrong. The writers had just fought such a war, and they obviously had no idea what weapons would become in the future.

And as is very obvious by the daily news, - guerrilla/freedom fighters can't actually be conquered today.

The US government would be stupid to use nuclear weapons on its own usable land. As well as the fact that they would be killing their own supporters as well, if they used one.

We all have drones now, and replicator machines, etc.

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[Ingledsva]

Oh yes you have, or at least have had, so don't try to BS me on that.

Back in 1967, I was offered a job teaching at Fairbanks High School, and I turned that job down for two main reasons: one is that my wife, who was born and raised in Italy, didn't like the cold, and the other was the high rate of violent crime, including homicides, per 100,000 population (Fairbanks didn't have that high a population back then, however, but situations like that are pro-rated based on what they do have).

By coincidence, a man who may have taken that same job, I ended up working with starting some tiime in the early 1970's, and he talked about the wild bar scene, with gunshots ringing out on a regular basis, but that wasn't the only problem. He hated it and left.

Also, just a reminder that the proliferation of guns is not the only factor in regards to violent crime rates.

Alaska's contradiction? Lots of guns, few homicides http://www.adn.com/voices/article/alaskas-contradiction-lots-guns-few-homicides/2013/02/07/

Also Anchorage has the majority of the gun violence that we do have. Why is that? Because it is the biggest city - and the one CRIMINALS from the lower 48 come to - to start up profitable crimes like drug running.

Our rates were even lower in the past - as we had a throw out the criminals policy. In other words, people who committed crimes, served their time, and were then given a one-way ticket out of the state, back to were they came from, with a don't return or else! Lawyers wrecked that common sense solution. They said it was unconstitutional.

Don't forget to read the bottom of the page - with the Swiss info. They require young men to have guns and have an extremely low gun death rate.

EDIT - "... in Switzerland. The death rate there is 0.7 per 100,000, and gun ownership is mandatory for men of military age, some of whom are volatile young men. Some studies in this country have pinpointed men between the age of 21 and 30 as responsible for 40 to 50 percent of all homicides. The Swiss, however, arm them. And they don't only arm them, they give them assault rifles."

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[Ingledsva]

The numbers below are per 100,000 population.

No gun areas like California 3.4, Maryland 5.1, New Jersey 2.8, The District of Columbia 16.5, etc., are much higher then Alaska's 2.7 and dropping, where anyone over 18 with no criminal record, can pack concealed or open-carry. No license needed.

As an aside - 80% of firearm deaths in Alaska, are suicides from our long dark winters.

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[dgirl1986]

America needs to look outwards instead of looking inwards. What has worked for other countries?

 

[tytlyf]

You have the right to bear arms because of the 2A. No one is touching that. But you don't have the right to get one easily. Pass the checks, you're good.

 

[Mindmaster]

Fact is: Most murders are caused by inner city gang members which Obama doesn't attack because they are Democratic constituency who vote Dem 100% of the time and if they don't vote their family members do. They have basically run amok for his entire time in office killing as much as they want.

Secondly, suicide prevention would be the next logical step. Our mental health care situation is terrible, and that leads to a lot of suicide situations via weapons.

Guns are not the problem that gangs and suicides are. The MSM narrative is wrong, not based on the statistics, and misinformed. You could double or triple the weapons in citizens hands, and that would not drastically increase the deaths. The real problems are not being addressed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Atomic hand grenades. Pull the pin and watch 'em glow!

Now that's multiplayer!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ya, I can just picture Jesus tending his flock with an AR-15 slung over his shoulder.

That comes later at "arma" -gedden.