FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
Support us? You're overstating mans importance in nature...who supports us? Or are you pointing to man being overconsumers? A fact of all animals actually...but I'm confused what you mean by "higher forms"
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The "something can't come from nothing" argument
- Thread starter Big_TJ
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Support us? You're overstating mans importance in nature...who supports us? Or are you pointing to man being overconsumers? A fact of all animals actually...but I'm confused what you mean by "higher forms"
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Here's something else some may find interesting:
In 1584, the Italian philosopher and astronomer Giordano Bruno proposed an unbounded universe in On the Infinite Universe and Worlds: "Innumerable suns exist; innumerable earths revolve around these suns in a manner similar to the way the seven planets revolve around our sun. Living beings inhabit these worlds."
Cosmologists have long sought to discover whether infinity exists in our physical universe: Are there an infinite number of stars? Does the universe have infinite volume? Does space "go on forever"? This is an open question of cosmology. Note that the question of being infinite is logically separate from the question of having boundaries. The two-dimensional surface of the Earth, for example, is finite, yet has no edge. By travelling in a straight line one will eventually return to the exact spot one started from. The universe, at least in principle, might have a similar topology. If so, one might eventually return to one's starting point after travelling in a straight line through the universe for long enough.
If, on the other hand, the universe were not curved like a sphere but had a flat topology, it could be both unbounded and infinite. The curvature of the universe can be measured through multipole moments in the spectrum of the cosmic background radiation. As to date, analysis of the radiation patterns recorded by the WMAP spacecraft hints that the universe has a flat topology. This would be consistent with an infinite physical universe.
However, the universe could also be finite, even if its curvature is flat. An easy way to understand this is to consider two-dimensional examples, such as video games where items that leave one edge of the screen reappear on the other. The topology of such games is toroidal and the geometry is flat. Many possible bounded, flat possibilities also exist for three-dimensional space.
The concept of infinity also extends to the multiverse hypothesis, which, when explained by astrophysicists such as Michio Kaku, posits that there are an infinite number and variety of universes. -- Infinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1584, the Italian philosopher and astronomer Giordano Bruno proposed an unbounded universe in On the Infinite Universe and Worlds: "Innumerable suns exist; innumerable earths revolve around these suns in a manner similar to the way the seven planets revolve around our sun. Living beings inhabit these worlds."
Cosmologists have long sought to discover whether infinity exists in our physical universe: Are there an infinite number of stars? Does the universe have infinite volume? Does space "go on forever"? This is an open question of cosmology. Note that the question of being infinite is logically separate from the question of having boundaries. The two-dimensional surface of the Earth, for example, is finite, yet has no edge. By travelling in a straight line one will eventually return to the exact spot one started from. The universe, at least in principle, might have a similar topology. If so, one might eventually return to one's starting point after travelling in a straight line through the universe for long enough.
If, on the other hand, the universe were not curved like a sphere but had a flat topology, it could be both unbounded and infinite. The curvature of the universe can be measured through multipole moments in the spectrum of the cosmic background radiation. As to date, analysis of the radiation patterns recorded by the WMAP spacecraft hints that the universe has a flat topology. This would be consistent with an infinite physical universe.
However, the universe could also be finite, even if its curvature is flat. An easy way to understand this is to consider two-dimensional examples, such as video games where items that leave one edge of the screen reappear on the other. The topology of such games is toroidal and the geometry is flat. Many possible bounded, flat possibilities also exist for three-dimensional space.
The concept of infinity also extends to the multiverse hypothesis, which, when explained by astrophysicists such as Michio Kaku, posits that there are an infinite number and variety of universes. -- Infinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thief
Rogue Theologian
If you wanted a form to induce unique spirit....what better choice than Man?
But the chemistry has rules.
This form requires chemistry of all kinds and we can't do this by hand.
(we till the earth...we cannot consume it)
And we would have consumed the resources long ago...in that form wrought on Day Six.....
But there was an alteration.....Chapter Two....Genesis.
Man's importance to nature?....or God?
"and what is Man that God is mindful of him?"
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
Without quoting scripture...what better form than man? Based on what?
I know it's difficult for you to be unbiased in your view as you have your own doctrines that you follow, as we all do, but ignoring the fact that all you have are assertions and no actual evidence, can you provide details for why you think genesis actual matches medical technology today. Details would be nice, how exactly was man modified; why were chimps not? Why doesn't the bible err mention any apes? When did neantherdals and denisovans(sp) become extinct in the context of genesis?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Shall we theorize? ...or just go for the theology?
Can't take God out of the picture.
A Creator that can't tweak His creation?
A dna molecule here....one there.....
No science in the garden event?.....look again!
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
Either case is theorizing.
Again what happened to the Neanderthals?
How do you explain those of European ancestry having Neanderthal DNA? That's not theory that's a fact. Did Adams children's have inter course with them?
What happened to the other humans who were put into the garden? How did they get spirit and become more?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Man as a species....Day Six.
Adam as a chosen specimen...chapter Two.
Not the same event.
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
So Adam would later return and mate with man as a species? So is that what created the Neanderthals? Was Adam a homo Sapian or was he different before that?
Was the man created one of the early hominids? Or were they Homo sapiens?
How long did it take for Adam to go from homo erectus to homo Sapian before he was chosen?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I'm going to let you take your pick of which group you prefer.
The point I lean to.....
Man as a species would have over run the planet and it's resources before the spirit of Man would thoroughly develop.
An alteration was needed.
Chapter Two.
You can decide for yourself 'when it happened'.
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
So you don't know.
So man as a species is selected?
Which species Homo sapiens? Homo neanderthalenis?
Was it a species before that? Which species did God select and modify and if so why did Neanderthals become extinct with the introduction of Homo sapiens from Africa? Was the garden of Eden in Africa?
Why only man? All species will overrun and use up resources if they have no natural predator and it's because of mans lack of a natural predator that we are doing exactly that now.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Two opinions presented as fact.
So in a nut shell...
God has to exist so you do not have to be afraid?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Wrong on both counts.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Your denial is comical.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
So my questions won't be answered? 
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
So my questions won't be answered?
And what was the question again?
Okay. Here's an answer: Nothing comes from nothing, and something comes from something.
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
And what was the question again?
Okay. Here's an answer: Nothing comes from nothing, and something comes from something.
I asked thief about what kinda species was Adam before he was selected.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Close enough.
After the alteration in the garden event....Adam would be...'something different'.