Laniakea
Not of this world
Never claimed to pay anything. Wouldn't be worth it anyway.
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The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots
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Subduction Zone
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Then you just refuted your earlier claim.
I know, it appears to be beyond your understanding.
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Laniakea
Not of this world
I'm still calm. I refuse to let anyone diminish my calm.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Well that's good. It was a typo. Change it to "claim".
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
All right: what do you think he was trying to get the mob to do?
Please step through any scenario you think could have happened where:
- the mob does everything that Trump tells them to do,
- no laws get broken, and
- Trump accomplishes his stated aims.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Everything seems so clear to you, yes?
From a distance the divide is vast, so good luck with it all.
"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."
"We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved."
"We will stop the steal."
"We will not let them silence your voices. We're not going to let it happen, I'm not going to let it happen.
"We want to go back and we want to get this right because we're going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed and we're not going to stand for that."
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Probably because that didn't happen. Instead, there was an insurrection.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Can you find where he said this?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
So he never did tell anyone to commit violence then. Nice cherry picking as well and ominous music.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
He wanted them to go protest patriotically and peaceably the fraudulent electoral votes from some states such as Pennsylvania etc. So they protest the results and they disperse peaceably. What is wrong with Trump advocating for that?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
No there was violence that Trump never advocated for.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
This has been done for you many times already. Just a few of them are given in post #505.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Once again, that is not what he advocated for. He only said "peacefully" once. He advocated violence multiple times. You either did not pay attention to or listen to his speech, and once again, people have done this for you many times. An honest interlocutor would have admitted that. I have seen you do better in the past. Why does Trump affect you this way?
That's not what he said he wanted, though.
He talked at length about how it would be wrong to concede and that they had to "stop the steal" and that they had to "get this right" (i.e. get the election outcome that Trump wanted) and that they're "not going to stand for that," "that" being "having someone in there [the White House] that should not be there."
I'm fine with you taking as generous an interpretation as you want that fits the facts, but it's not okay for you to ignore or misrepresent what Trump actually said.
Do you notice that you say "the fraudulent electoral votes from some states such as Pennsylvania, etc.?" Can you show any evidence at all, in spite of all the court cases that determined that was not the case, for accepting that?
Indeed, can you provide any real evidence of any fraud in the 2020 election that had even the slightest chance of overturning the election? Or is this just something you "believe" because you were told to?
The odd thing is the BLM protests were a global phenomenon that all showed outrage over police brutality and systemic racism. Some 93% of the protests were peaceful, and some of the violence was revealed to be white supremacists sabotaging marches. Yet conservatives want to compare this massive movement for civil rights as a largely bad thing.
Let's note the Jan 6 protest was completely based on Trump continually lying about election fraud, which also drove the numerous conspiracies to create fake electors, and efforts to convince state election officials to commit fraud for Trump so he could win. So the protest on Jan 6 was AGAINST a fair and secure election. It never should have happened. And as we know militia groups conspired to break into the Capitol to disrupt the vote count in an effort to create a constitutional crisis, and perhaps a chance for congress having to decide the election. Many MAGAs got whipped up in the violence and broke in to the Capitol themselves. And took pictures so law enforcement could identify them for their indictments. Not exactly smart folks here.
There's no comparison that any conservative would want to make unless they want to be ashamed and embarrassed.
What does "fight like hell" mean to the average Trump supporter? Does it mean to go have a discussion with democrats that relies heavily on facts (at a protest that is totally based on lies)? Can the average Trump supporter really really win a debate based on facts that concludes Trump won in 2020? Not according to the court cases that Trump lost.
And how does the average Trump supporter react on a day when congress is doing a final count of the votes, which will confirm Biden as the next president? Do they just stand there and suck on it? They travelled hundreds of miles to just stand there and look like suckers? Sounds like giving up, doesn't it?
Right, and they will "stop the steal" by standing in front of the Capitol looking like fools? How many got there and wondered "What are we doing here?" After the attack on the police started I can see how many desperate and foolish people would need to get rid of their frustration and feelings of weakness by finding weapons and attacking police.
And how does the average Trump supporter travel hundreds of miles just stand there in front of the Capitol like suckers, and do nothing? Trump said don't "let it happen", and that requires more action than just standing in front of the Capitol as congress counts the votes for Biden.
Yeah, and the average Trump supporter will have to wonder how to make sure Biden (who shouldn't be in there) won't be certified by the vote count that is happening in the Capitol that day, as they just stand there doing nothing. Can't do that duty for Trump by just standing there.
I gotta wonder if @Clizby Wampuscat was at the Capitol on Jan 6, 2021 would he just stand there impotent as his fellow MAGA patriots broke in to "stop the steal" as Trump demanded, or take action?
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