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The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The Republicans wanted 5,000 illegals to cross the border each day?
Can you show me which Republicans said they wanted that?
By not even looking at the immigration bill Lankford spent months putting together that contained the vast majority of what they wanted. That's how they said they wanted open borders. By doing absolutely nothing about it. By just sitting on their hands waiting until Trump becomes President.


"WASHINGTON — U.S. Senate Republicans on Tuesday walked away from the bipartisan border security and immigration deal clinched after months of painstaking negotiations, siding with their House colleagues and presidential front-runner Donald Trump.

The decision to block the bill released just two days ago not only leaves laws in place that GOP lawmakers say have led to a “crisis” at the southern border, but drags on the stalemate over whether Congress will approve assistance for Ukraine and Israel, which was rolled into the package.

Republicans said months ago that the only way they’d support additional assistance for the two U.S. allies at war was if Democrats worked with them to “secure” the border.


But that requirement fell by the wayside this week after U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Louisiana Republican, and dozens of GOP lawmakers expressed opposition to the bill that was negotiated by a bipartisan trio of senators. Johnson instead pushed a standalone bill that only provided aid to Israel — and it was rejected on a Tuesday night vote. An attempt to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas also failed.

Oklahoma Republican Sen. James Lankford, one of the three senators who spent months negotiating the immigration language in the measure released Sunday, said he believes there will be “significant” ramifications if the GOP completely walks away from the deal he helped write.

Lankford also expressed dismay that some of the lawmakers opposing the package don’t actually understand how the proposed changes in immigration law would work.

“That’s the part that’s disappointing to me,” Lankford said. “If you’re going to disagree with it, disagree with it based on the facts of the bill, not something that’s actually factually not true.”


 

Laniakea

Not of this world
By not even looking at the immigration bill Lankford spent months putting together that contained the vast majority of what they wanted. That's how they said they wanted open borders. By doing absolutely nothing about it. By just sitting on their hands waiting until Trump becomes President.


"WASHINGTON — U.S. Senate Republicans on Tuesday walked away from the bipartisan border security and immigration deal clinched after months of painstaking negotiations, siding with their House colleagues and presidential front-runner Donald Trump.

The decision to block the bill released just two days ago not only leaves laws in place that GOP lawmakers say have led to a “crisis” at the southern border, but drags on the stalemate over whether Congress will approve assistance for Ukraine and Israel, which was rolled into the package.

Republicans said months ago that the only way they’d support additional assistance for the two U.S. allies at war was if Democrats worked with them to “secure” the border.


But that requirement fell by the wayside this week after U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Louisiana Republican, and dozens of GOP lawmakers expressed opposition to the bill that was negotiated by a bipartisan trio of senators. Johnson instead pushed a standalone bill that only provided aid to Israel — and it was rejected on a Tuesday night vote. An attempt to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas also failed.

Oklahoma Republican Sen. James Lankford, one of the three senators who spent months negotiating the immigration language in the measure released Sunday, said he believes there will be “significant” ramifications if the GOP completely walks away from the deal he helped write.

Lankford also expressed dismay that some of the lawmakers opposing the package don’t actually understand how the proposed changes in immigration law would work.

“That’s the part that’s disappointing to me,” Lankford said. “If you’re going to disagree with it, disagree with it based on the facts of the bill, not something that’s actually factually not true.”


More useful would have been the text of the bill.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It was an easy prediction, ie, the Trump
loyalists would prevail. Next, if they rule
Trump has absolute immunity (something
they granted to federal law enforcement),
then this could get very very messy.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
It was an easy prediction, ie, the Trump
loyalists would prevail. Next, if they rule
Trump has absolute immunity (something
they granted to federal law enforcement),
then this could get very very messy.
What would be messy about it? If he has absolute immunity, it seems that things would be rather clear cut from this point onward. The endless anti-Trump trials can finally be discontinued, and all those who keep saying he's guilty of this or that can finally be assured that they are wrong.
Then we can get on with having a free and fair election without all the distractions.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What would be messy about it? If he has absolute immunity, it seems that things would be rather clear cut from this point onward. The endless anti-Trump trials can finally be discontinued, and all those who keep saying he's guilty of this or that can finally be assured that they are wrong.
Then we can get on with having a free and fair election without all the distractions.
Absolute immunity would give him formal
free reign to do anything he wants without
fear of prosecution. This has the potential
to inspire extra-judicial civilian sanction.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
As they should. He's ineligible for office and the Supreme Court just ruled that it's up to Congress to deal with that.

Probably better that he be ruled ineligible by Congress on the day of the count than to deal with it the way that the 1870 Enforcement Act would require: once he's taken office, have him removed by the courts.
If he's been ruled to be eligible to be on the ballot, he's eligible for office.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Good. He shouldn't have to fear prosecution for doing his job.
Perhaps you don't know what absolute immunity is.
It differs from qualified immunity, which is about
doing one's job. Absolute immunity allows any act,
eg, persecuting political foes, prosecuting reporters
for offending him, threatening secretaries of state to
"find votes", ordering the VP to over-turn the election,
sexually assaulting women, having minions invade
the Capitol.
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
Good. He shouldn't have to fear prosecution for doing his job.

Presidents in the past haven't had this problem, so why should Trump be treated any differently? I mean, we are talking about someone who's had a sordid and shady history since long before he was president. No one should be above the law
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Perhaps you don't know what absolute immunity is.
It differs from qualified immunity, which is about
doing one's job. Absolute immunity allows any act,
eg, persecuting political foes, prosecuting reporters
for offending him, threatening secretaries of state to
"find votes", ordering the VP to over-turn the election,
sexually assaulting women, having minions invade
the Capitol.
Maybe it's accepted that he already has absolute immunity since nobody is prosecuting him for the things you mentioned.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Presidents in the past haven't had this problem, so why should Trump be treated any differently? I mean, we are talking about someone who's had a sordid and shady history since long before he was president. No one should be above the law
He's treated differently because he doesn't tow the MSM narrative, and democrats are not able to allow Republicans to operate under the same "democracy" that they themselves claim to want.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Maybe it's accepted that he already has absolute immunity since nobody is prosecuting him for the things you mentioned.
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
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