The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

[Shadow Wolf]

What would be messy about it? If he has absolute immunity, it seems that things would be rather clear cut from this point onward. The endless anti-Trump trials can finally be discontinued, and all those who keep saying he's guilty of this or that can finally be assured that they are wrong.
Then we can get on with having a free and fair election without all the distractions.

Absolute immunity is for tyrants.

 

[fantome profane]

If he has absolute immunity, it seems that things would be rather clear cut from this point onward.

Oh yes, things would be very clear. I think things are pretty clear now, but if Trump was President and had absolute immunity I think things would be rather clear to every one.

I think Alexei Navalny was very clear about what it was like living in a country where the President had absolute immunity.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't know. But the problem is that the winning number of electoral votes is set on the total number of electoral votes available. Not on the total number after disqualified votes are rejected. If I recall correctly. That might meant that it would go to Congress for the members to choose a President.

It would be such a mess.

Here's what the 12th Amendment says:

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

... so I guess the list that the House would vote on would include Biden and not include Trump. I'm not sure if anyone else would get EC votes (Green Party, maybe?); if they didn't, I guess the House would have to choose from a list with only one option.

 

[We Never Know]

So what do you want me to cite?

Really?????

You stated what foreign aid was in the bill.

The other poster said its what republicans wanted in the bill.

So I asked the other poster for a citation of that's wanted the republicans wanted in the bill

 

[fantome profane]

The other poster said its what republicans wanted in the bill.

What I said was the Republicans wanted the two issues linked.

Here is a citation for you.

Republicans want to pair border security with aid for Ukraine. Here's why that makes a deal so tough

Congress return to work this week after the holiday break, and Senate Republicans have made clear they won’t support additional war aid for Ukraine unless they can pair it with border security measures.

apnews.com

 

[Pogo]

What makes you think that they are?

Well we don't deport them until they have served their sentence, so technially...

 

[We Never Know]

What I said was the Republicans wanted the two issues linked.

Here is a citation for you.

Republicans want to pair border security with aid for Ukraine. Here's why that makes a deal so tough

Congress return to work this week after the holiday break, and Senate Republicans have made clear they won’t support additional war aid for Ukraine unless they can pair it with border security measures.

apnews.com

Thanks. That's all I wanted. It helps get everyone here on the same page.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok, and I found flaws with the current bill.

I think that you have misunderstandings.

 

[SkepticThinker]

More useful would have been the text of the bill.

You know what would be useful? An actual response to the content of the post you're responding to.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What would be messy about it? If he has absolute immunity, it seems that things would be rather clear cut from this point onward. The endless anti-Trump trials can finally be discontinued, and all those who keep saying he's guilty of this or that can finally be assured that they are wrong.
Then we can get on with having a free and fair election without all the distractions.

Yes, what could possibly go wrong with granting full immunity to the leader of a country to do whatever s/he pleases?

Nothing fascistic about that ..... oh wait.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Maybe it's accepted that he already has absolute immunity since nobody is prosecuting him for the things you mentioned.

He's currently being prosecuted for many of those things.

 

[SkepticThinker]

He's treated differently because he doesn't tow the MSM narrative, and democrats are not able to allow Republicans to operate under the same "democracy" that they themselves claim to want.

No, he's being treated differently because he wantonly and flagrantly breaks the law and/or commits fraud at every chance he gets.
In other words, he's being held accountable for his actions.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sure, but that is not a compromise I or other republicans want to make.

Then they aren't doing their jobs and they aren't do a damn thing for their constituents.

Maybe they need to watch that how a bill becomes a law animation we all watched in grade school.

Each republican is different. I have given my reasons why I don't think it is a good bill. Why do you not support Biden reestablishing Trump's executive orders that Trump had in place that Biden reversed. The border was in a better situation when he was president.

I think the claim that "the border was in a better situation when Trump was president" is debatable.

Didn't Biden put an end to Trump's policy of separating children from their families? That was an absolutely horrid order that destroyed many lives.

Then why did not the dems vote for this bill?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2

They could have compromised in 2023 and had a border bill but none of them voted for it. Why do you insiste republicans compromise but not democrats?

Because we're talking about this bill. The Republicans are the ones screaming about open borders. They've made it their cause.
You'd think they'd want to do something about it like, now.

 

[Kathryn]

"It was the Republicans who demanded that these issues be linked in this bill. Surely you can see the hypocrisy of demanding the issues be linked, and then rejecting the bill because the issues are linked."

Citation needed.

Well, to be fair, Biden, a Democrat, was pushing hard for this bill to pass in October 2023. The CNN article was updated a few weeks later.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/us-israel-ukraine-aid-package/index.html

 

[Kathryn]

You know what? We need to know who is in our country. Many other countries know. We need to know as well.

 

[Kathryn]

What makes you think that they are?

No, they're just coming back over and over again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, they're just coming back over and over again.

You are conflating refugees and migrant workers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, to be fair, Biden, a Democrat, was pushing hard for this bill to pass in October 2023. The CNN article was updated a few weeks later.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/us-israel-ukraine-aid-package/index.html

Yes, it was a compromise with actions that both sides wanted. But Trump does not care about the border problem. He only wants to get elected and he is trying to use that as a way to do so. As you know his supporters are not that bright. They will probably forget that he was the one that kept it a problem.

 

[Laniakea]

I don't care about the political stuff more than I care about the fact that he has been indicted on 91 felony charges. Like I said, we are talking about rule of law. He should not be above being held accountable for the consequences of his actions

The "felony charges" are politically motivated, and therefore is "political stuff".

 

[Laniakea]

That might be a legal way to do it. That would make things difficult because I do not think that it would make an automatic win for Biden. If the Trump votes were not allowed they would probably have to go back to the states where they came from and they would have to come up with an alternative.

"Justices gave the power instead to Congress, saying lawmakers have the power to enforce section three under section five of the 14th Amendment, which gives lawmakers power to enact “appropriate” legislation to enforce other parts of the amendment."

"The justices did put some limits on what steps Congress can take, ruling any legislation to enforce section three must show restraint in “preventing or remedying” the issue of insurrectionists holding office and be “tailor[ed]” to the conduct at issue—which liberal justices noted in a concurrence means Congress likely wouldn’t be able to use existing federal legislation to enforce the amendment.
If Trump wins, lawmakers in Congress could try to pass legislation to enforce section three of the 14th Amendment and disqualify him from actually holding office—though passing that legislation would remain an extreme long shot in a narrowly divided House and Senate."

Can Congress Disqualify Trump? What To Know After Supreme Court Keeps Him On Ballot.

Justices kicked the issue of whether Trump can be disqualified under the 14th Amendment over to Congress—and experts warn their ruling could still sow chaos.

www.forbes.com

It would be very messy. But it would take only a few honest Republicans to get it to be passed. Are there four honest Republicans in the House?

I doubt the dems would care if it got messy. Going after the top Republican contender for president to put him in prison for 730 years just before the next election has been messy, but they don't care, no matter how it makes them look like the leadership of Russia, North Korea, Cuba, or Venezuela.