The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

[metis]

The "felony charges" are politically motivated, and therefore is "political stuff".

So, again, you're the judge and jury.

I think I see where the problem is.

 

[Laniakea]

He's a traitor and insurrectionist. That is a fact.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

 

[Laniakea]

Absolute immunity is for tyrants.

It would put a stop to endless litigation meant to prevent progress.

 

[Laniakea]

Oh yes, things would be very clear. I think things are pretty clear now, but if Trump was President and had absolute immunity I think things would be rather clear to every one.

I think Alexei Navalny was very clear about what it was like living in a country where the President had absolute immunity.

Navalny also made it clear what happens to people who can be put in prison for the rest of their life just because those in power don't like him.

 

[Laniakea]

You know what would be useful? An actual response to the content of the post you're responding to.

That's what you got.

 

[fantome profane]

Navalny also made it clear what happens to people who can be put in prison for the rest of their life just because those in power don't like him.

So you agree, no President should have absolute immunity. Trumps should not have it, and Biden should not have it, and whoever (Harris?) is President next should not be allowed to have absolute immunity.

I think we have agreement.

 

[Laniakea]

Yes, what could possibly go wrong with granting full immunity to the leader of a country to do whatever s/he pleases?

Nothing fascistic about that ..... oh wait.

For one, you could have a president that refuses to secure the southern border, and actively works to prevent others from securing the border--with the result being more than 10,000,000 illegals in this country cluttering the streets, committing crimes, and draining our resources--all while declaring "The border is secure!"

 

[Laniakea]

So, again, you're the judge and jury.

I think I see where the problem is.

Let me guess. It's with you not understanding that this is a debate forum rather than a courtroom?

 

[Laniakea]

So you agree, no President should have absolute immunity. Trumps should not have it, and Biden should not have it, and whoever (Harris?) is President next should not be allowed to have absolute immunity.

I think we have agreement.

Biden abused it. Trump didn't.

 

[fantome profane]

Biden abused it. Trump didn't.

But Biden never said that he should have absolute immunity. Trump is the one who argued that the President should have absolute immunity. You understand that Trump is arguing that Biden should have absolute immunity.

Again, I think you and I are in agreement that Joe Biden should not have absolute immunity. Correct?

 

[Laniakea]

But Biden never said that he should have absolute immunity. Trump is the one who argued that the President should have absolute immunity. You understand that Trump is arguing that Biden should have absolute immunity.

Again, I think you and I are in agreement that Joe Biden should not have absolute immunity. Correct?

Biden already has it and is using it, which demonstrates that the power is already there.

 

[fantome profane]

Biden already has it and is using it, which demonstrates that the power is already there.

And I repeat myself again (threepeat).

Joe Biden should not have absolute immunity. Correct?

You think he already has it, I disagree on that. But we both agree that he should not have it.

 

[Laniakea]

And I repeat myself again (threepeat).

Joe Biden should not have absolute immunity. Correct?

You think he already has it, I disagree on that. But we both agree that he should not have it.

To do their job, a president needs to have immunity.

 

[fantome profane]

To do their job, a president needs to have immunity.

Then if Joe Biden orders Trump killed, that is ok.

 

[Laniakea]

Then if Joe Biden orders Trump killed, that is ok.

Is having a political opponent killed considered to be a duty of the office of President?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Then they aren't doing their jobs and they aren't do a damn thing for their constituents.

Not true. What if their constituents don't want this particular compromise.

I think the claim that "the border was in a better situation when Trump was president" is debatable.

Not really.

Didn't Biden put an end to Trump's policy of separating children from their families? That was an absolutely horrid order that destroyed many lives.

I think so.

Because we're talking about this bill. The Republicans are the ones screaming about open borders. They've made it their cause.
You'd think they'd want to do something about it like, now.

Yes, but this bill does not do anything to significantly reduce the illegal crossings.

 

[Soandso]

The "felony charges" are politically motivated, and therefore is "political stuff".

Whatever you say. Whether or not the felony charges have political motivations behind them, they are still felony charges and still have to go proper channels to be proven true. If Trump is found guilty of commiting very real crimes, he should not be above the law in any case. This should include every president; not just him

The opportunity for people with absolute power to use that absolute power in self serving ways unchecked is how you undermine a system with checks and balances - I like checks and balances, personally

 

[Laniakea]

Whatever you say. Whether or not the felony charges have political motivations behind them, they are still felony charges and still have to go proper channels to be proven true. If Trump is found guilty of commiting very real crimes, he should not be above the law in any case. This should include every president; not just him

The opportunity for people with absolute power to use that absolute power in self serving ways unchecked is how you undermine a system with checks and balances - I like checks and balances, personally

Then would you be fine with Joe Biden being charged with nearly 100 criminal offenses after he leaves office, even if done to make sure he wouldn't be able to run for president again in 2028?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I doubt the dems would care if it got messy. Going after the top Republican contender for president to put him in prison for 730 years just before the next election has been messy, but they don't care, no matter how it makes them look like the leadership of Russia, North Korea, Cuba, or Venezuela.

Trump should probably put a halt on committing crimes then.

 

[fantome profane]

Then if Joe Biden orders Trump killed, that is ok.

So there is a line. Fantastic. Then again, it is not absolute immunity.

So again we are in agreement. Joe Biden should not have absolute immunity. Qualified immunity, perhaps, I am not even sure about that. But absolute immunity, absolutely not!