Laniakea
Not of this world
Political correctness is a much more recent degradation of society than that.
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But you still want to go back rather than go forward.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Back to sanity? You bet!
I was reading a book (about interjections, oddly enough) yesterday which included the phrase "In these days of political correctness..." talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, "That's not actually anything to do with 'political correctness'. That's just treating other people with respect."
Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase "politically correct" wherever we could with "treating other people with respect", and it made me smile.
You should try it. It's peculiarly enlightening.
I know what you're thinking now. You're thinking "Oh my god, that's treating other people with respect gone mad!"
- Neil Gaiman
Laniakea
Not of this world
Here's an even better quote:
"The term political correctness first appeared in Marxist–Leninist vocabulary following the Russian Revolution of 1917. At that time, it was used to describe strict adherence to the policies and principles of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, that is, the party line."
Political correctness - Wikipedia
No wonder people get duped into Marxist-Leninist garbage! Liberals sugar-coat it and reimagine the definitions to inject it into society, because Marxist–Leninists are what they are at heart, and want others to embrace it.
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SkepticThinker
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Uh no. It used to be until we realized it's completely unethical and unnecessary to "lock up" every person who has a mental illness. In other words, we've learned a lot about mental illness over the last century and have progressed accordingly.
Can you explain how and why you think transgender people should be locked up in mental institutions?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Sorry, what's "sane" about what you're proposing?
And what kind of expertise do you have in this area?
Laniakea
Not of this world
And that's why you're excusing a Marxist/Leninist terminology being adopted by the American progressive Left? Okie dokie.
So they can receive the mental health treatment they deserve.
Subduction Zone
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It appears that you are assuming that they need mental treatment. You do not get to do that anymore than I would get to state that they do not need any. But, your claim, your burden of proof. You need to show that what they feel is not real. You need to use scientific sources for a valid opinion. Guess what, I used to feel the same way that you do. I looked at the studies and realized that my feelings were not based upon reality. So I do not think that you will have much luck in supporting your claim.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I've done no such thing. You're the one going on about political correctness. I'm just pointing out the actual reasons why we no longer institutionalize people just because they're mentally ill.
That's not how mental health treatment is done in the 21st Century.
The only time we lock people suffering from mental illness against their will (and usually for very specific and limited time periods) is when they are a danger to themselves or others.
If locking people up against their will in mental institutions is the only way to receive mental health treatment in the US, then something is terribly, terribly wrong.
Laniakea
Not of this world
I see the words "you" and "your" mentioned 9 times in your post, as if I claimed that I would be making the decision for what type of treatment someone receives.
Can you point to anywhere in my post that I claimed to be the one deciding who gets treatment?
Laniakea
Not of this world
If surgically altering someone for life when they're still a teenager (or even preteen) is the only way to receive mental health treatment in the US, then something is terribly, terribly wrong.
Much better if they're given the mental health treatments they need to accept reality.
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Subduction Zone
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Surgery for people under 18 is extremely rare. They hopefully have a good reason for doing so. Is it imperfect and some will want to switch back? Yes, everything is imperfect in this world. But the ones that want to switch back are a minority. And that is one of the reasons that they almost always wait for adulthood before they do surgery that is for all practical purposes not reversible.
You are appearing to be arguing a strawman right now. How about explaining why the majority are wrong in being happy that they went through the transition. Not the minority that wish that they did not?
And you still have not shown that you are on the side of reality. You could not even ask basic genetic questions that last time that I checked.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Pretty sure it isn't and I'm pretty sure that's just fearmongering nonsense.
I don't think being trans is the only way to receive mental health care in the US, but perhaps I'm being too optimistic.
Sounds to me like you're doing the very thing you just claimed you aren't doing; trying to make decisions about the types of treatment other people receive.
You're way to underinformed about mental health to be making such determinations and judgment calls when it comes to other people.
You've been going on about great it was that we used to lock up mentally ill people, so I'm not gonna lean too heavily on your opinions on this one.
Laniakea
Not of this world
You accuse me of a strawman, then ask a question based on your own strawman reasoning.
How democrat!
Laniakea
Not of this world
For transsexual issues, it is celebrated as the way of receiving mental healthcare.
Can you think of any other methods that are being more promoted?
Who did I try to make any treatment decision for?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What strawman did I use? I doubt if you even understand the concept. If you did not understand what your strawman argument was you are always free to ask how you made that error. The odds are that you are just parroting a term that you do not understand.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No it's not.
Gender affirming care doesn't just boil down to "surgically altering someone for life" and often doesn't even include any surgery.
Trans people.
Laniakea
Not of this world
There's no error of mine to ask you about. But thanks for the offer.
Would you like me to show you yours (without arguing with me after it's been shown to you)?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Arrogance and ignorance. Your error is clear to everyone else. You really should have asked. If you do not ask but only deny you are doing the same as admitting that you are wrong.
Meanwhile were is my supposed strawman, or were you just parroting again? I already asked you once.