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The Teen Obesity Problem in America."
- Thread starter Skwim
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Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
I still have the eating habits from when I was a child, so no worries there.
2 light meals a day at most, usually just breakfast.
Timothy Bryce
Active Member
You know nothing about who I am and how I genuinely feel about people.
Timothy Bryce
Active Member
Whoops - my bad. I thought it was completely relevant to the OP and that the greater community could benefit from hearing about it. I'll try to be less reckless in the future.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Really? Evidently they've enabled the ability because I can remember not being able to do it. I'll look around.
Found it!!
Thanks for the heads up.
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Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
NOTE! THIS THREAD WAS FORMERLY TITLED "FATTY, FATTY TWO BY FOUR . . ."
The other day I happened to get stuck in traffic when one of the local high schools was getting out for the day. Sitting there waiting for the kids to cross the intersection I couldn't help but be struck by how many of them were conspicuously overweight.
When I was in high school obesity was very uncommon. Very few of the students were considered fat, or even overweight. Most of us were pretty fit, and even if we weren't at least we didn't look unfit.
But today being overweight and even obese seems closer to the norm.
This is borne out by the stats on teen age obesity I came across.
Being overweight is neither healthy nor attractive. So what's going on with teenagers these days?
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Fast food, sugary sodas, video games + TV = lard asses.
I have a pet theory based in part on my education and experience
with people.
Oral fixation. Excessive alcohol use, down the throat.
Excessive eating, down the throat.
Obesity and alcohol abuse are both emotional/psychological disorders.
Yup.
I was in a Chinese eatery not long ago. One of those all you can eat
places.
They make out with me 'cause when I feel full I quit eating.
I saw a morbidly obese couple literally shoveling food down there
gaping maws.
Honest the woman dug her fork into the food THEN using her other
hand PILED it higher on the fork then wolfed it down!
Sickening.
NoGuru
Don't be serious. Seriously
It's the human condition and a society promoting the opposite with readily available means to self destruct.
Some fascinating research done by Dr. Watzlawick and a few others resulted in some extremely fascinating findings. Essentially, and with children especially, humans will do the opposite of what's good for them, or what's being told of them to do. The resolution to these problems is almost always the thing you didn't expect, or the opposite course of action you would think to follow. So, (and this is just a fly by hypothesis) I would venture to guess that so much attention on bodily standards (not standards themselves), along with present day attitudinal movements to not "give a f***," and the widespread availability of just about anything unhealthy have allowed a state of decay to where humans of all ages are engaging in self destructive activities and then justifying said activities with the moral support of movements like "Be comfortable with your body as it is" style rhetoric, even though such attitudes rarely result in perceived happiness... they're just a front for a deeper sadness.
Dr. Watzlawick's book if interested.
Source for link between obesity and depression
Some fascinating research done by Dr. Watzlawick and a few others resulted in some extremely fascinating findings. Essentially, and with children especially, humans will do the opposite of what's good for them, or what's being told of them to do. The resolution to these problems is almost always the thing you didn't expect, or the opposite course of action you would think to follow. So, (and this is just a fly by hypothesis) I would venture to guess that so much attention on bodily standards (not standards themselves), along with present day attitudinal movements to not "give a f***," and the widespread availability of just about anything unhealthy have allowed a state of decay to where humans of all ages are engaging in self destructive activities and then justifying said activities with the moral support of movements like "Be comfortable with your body as it is" style rhetoric, even though such attitudes rarely result in perceived happiness... they're just a front for a deeper sadness.
Dr. Watzlawick's book if interested.
Source for link between obesity and depression
MD
qualiaphile
There are many reasons for the obesity problem.
1) Women in the workplace: As more women entered the workplace, there was less time to cook healthy nutritious meals by both parents. Due to the structure of society, it took a long time for men to learn to cook and what traditionally was the norm of a mother staying home and cooking was wiped out in one generation. This lead to
2) Corporations capitalizing on this with pumping out food that was high in sugar and fats, to help boost sales. These foods were sold en masse to schools and got kids hooked on them. It was an addiction of sorts, something the government should have clamped down on but didn't due to kickbacks. Once you gain weight, losing it puts your adipocytes into overdrive. This leads to tremendous hunger pangs as adipocytes don't die, they basically shrink and release hormones that tell you to EAT! It was also an easy way to shove unhealthy food onto poor people.
3) Obesity is not a choice! I was an obese child, for many years. I was bullied and that **** stays. It was due to many reasons, poverty, working parents, etc. I also have a predisposition to fat gain on one side of the family. I am now lean, but only because I exercise like crazy and literally learned to eat super healthy and cut out bad food.
It's a struggle to lose weight and I understand as I was obese at one time and have been overweight as recently as a couple of years ago. I don't believe in shaming. It's better to guide, to teach will power and strength in oneself. It's one of the main reasons I love the Right, because it places huge importance on the power of one's own will.
Strength, will power, exercise and diet will go far more towards defeating obesity than simply shaming or talking about it. We also have to create an intense physical training program for children and regulate food distribution by corporations.
1) Women in the workplace: As more women entered the workplace, there was less time to cook healthy nutritious meals by both parents. Due to the structure of society, it took a long time for men to learn to cook and what traditionally was the norm of a mother staying home and cooking was wiped out in one generation. This lead to
2) Corporations capitalizing on this with pumping out food that was high in sugar and fats, to help boost sales. These foods were sold en masse to schools and got kids hooked on them. It was an addiction of sorts, something the government should have clamped down on but didn't due to kickbacks. Once you gain weight, losing it puts your adipocytes into overdrive. This leads to tremendous hunger pangs as adipocytes don't die, they basically shrink and release hormones that tell you to EAT! It was also an easy way to shove unhealthy food onto poor people.
3) Obesity is not a choice! I was an obese child, for many years. I was bullied and that **** stays. It was due to many reasons, poverty, working parents, etc. I also have a predisposition to fat gain on one side of the family. I am now lean, but only because I exercise like crazy and literally learned to eat super healthy and cut out bad food.
It's a struggle to lose weight and I understand as I was obese at one time and have been overweight as recently as a couple of years ago. I don't believe in shaming. It's better to guide, to teach will power and strength in oneself. It's one of the main reasons I love the Right, because it places huge importance on the power of one's own will.
Strength, will power, exercise and diet will go far more towards defeating obesity than simply shaming or talking about it. We also have to create an intense physical training program for children and regulate food distribution by corporations.
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On behalf of me and every other overweight youth who was raised in bad eating habits, I apologize that we don't fit your beauty standards.
Most of us do, don't worry. Many of us have a self-hate that runs to the core from a lifetime of bullying and people like you who feel it's ok to belittle a person for the body they're in. I'm sorry that we can't all fit into your little box of people you find worthy of human decency, I really do.
Do you really think nobody tries? A lot of overweight youth try with all they have to loose weight, for some of us that just doesn't happen. My mother had to have her gallbladder out when I was very young. After that she more than doubled in weight because of the lack of the organ, despite eating primarily a vegetable diet. Why is it fair to assume everyone who is overweight is at some kind of fault?
I have been trying since middle school to loose weight. After being made to feel ashamed of myself by peers and even family (yes, family), I hit a deep low of self-hate. Old habits are hard to break, when you're raised to eat and live a certain way, that is a very hard thing to change. But I still managed to. I didn't loose weight. I stared running up and down my stairs every day until I could barely feel my legs anymore. I didn't loose weight. I dropped to one meal a day. Didn't loose weight. Eventually I got so desperate, again to try to escape the hell of being belittled by people like you, I said f*** it and just stopped eating. I went a month without eating anything but lettuce, chicken broth, and vitamin supplements. Guess what happened, I only lost a few pounds! If a person can get the point where they literally STARVE THEMSELF because of the hate coming from around them, who has the real problem, them, or the people who brought them to it? When they still don't loose weight is the blame still on them? What else do you want, for me to cut it off myself? Not every anorexic is skinny.
Thanks to a few people who've recently come into my life I've been blessed with the confidence to leave the house in something other than loose black clothing every day. I've been given the confidence to wear makeup and nice clothes and smile when I see myself because they've started convincing me that I am worth something, I do deserve to show off and be pretty. Their damage control against people like you has meant more to me than any act ever has. But despite all that, the hate still pours in enough that I still barely eat, some days I skip food altogether. I still try to throw it up sometimes but end up on the bathroom floor in tears when I don't have the gag reflex to get it up, because I know it means that nice meal I just had at a restaurant is contributing to the reason I'm not good enough. I've been planning on getting back on that "starve yourself with vitamin pills" diet again, after the holidays. I'll let you know how it goes. Maybe it takes seeing suffering to understand it? Maybe not. I guess we'll have to see, won't we.
Most of us do, don't worry. Many of us have a self-hate that runs to the core from a lifetime of bullying and people like you who feel it's ok to belittle a person for the body they're in. I'm sorry that we can't all fit into your little box of people you find worthy of human decency, I really do.
Do you really think nobody tries? A lot of overweight youth try with all they have to loose weight, for some of us that just doesn't happen. My mother had to have her gallbladder out when I was very young. After that she more than doubled in weight because of the lack of the organ, despite eating primarily a vegetable diet. Why is it fair to assume everyone who is overweight is at some kind of fault?
I have been trying since middle school to loose weight. After being made to feel ashamed of myself by peers and even family (yes, family), I hit a deep low of self-hate. Old habits are hard to break, when you're raised to eat and live a certain way, that is a very hard thing to change. But I still managed to. I didn't loose weight. I stared running up and down my stairs every day until I could barely feel my legs anymore. I didn't loose weight. I dropped to one meal a day. Didn't loose weight. Eventually I got so desperate, again to try to escape the hell of being belittled by people like you, I said f*** it and just stopped eating. I went a month without eating anything but lettuce, chicken broth, and vitamin supplements. Guess what happened, I only lost a few pounds! If a person can get the point where they literally STARVE THEMSELF because of the hate coming from around them, who has the real problem, them, or the people who brought them to it? When they still don't loose weight is the blame still on them? What else do you want, for me to cut it off myself? Not every anorexic is skinny.
Thanks to a few people who've recently come into my life I've been blessed with the confidence to leave the house in something other than loose black clothing every day. I've been given the confidence to wear makeup and nice clothes and smile when I see myself because they've started convincing me that I am worth something, I do deserve to show off and be pretty. Their damage control against people like you has meant more to me than any act ever has. But despite all that, the hate still pours in enough that I still barely eat, some days I skip food altogether. I still try to throw it up sometimes but end up on the bathroom floor in tears when I don't have the gag reflex to get it up, because I know it means that nice meal I just had at a restaurant is contributing to the reason I'm not good enough. I've been planning on getting back on that "starve yourself with vitamin pills" diet again, after the holidays. I'll let you know how it goes. Maybe it takes seeing suffering to understand it? Maybe not. I guess we'll have to see, won't we.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Nah, but one of the members here took my title as a personal insult, and I don't want to cause bad feelings over something that isn't germane to the thread.Your not cleaning up your act are ya @Skwim?
I really meant it when i said things would be boring without you.
You provide some contrast that allows people to define there own ideas and beliefs.
Don't go and change on us.
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Hmm, I don't know. Americans seem to sell food that would be considered hazardous in most other Western societies for a start. I mean geez, we have to sell American children's cereal as actual honest to god Lollies (candy) for it to be legal over here. Not even joking. It fails to reach even our low standards of food safety.
Not saying this is an American only thing obviously, but like geez. It is so goddamned easy to eat crap in America! I gained 5 kilos (11 pounds?) in like the two weeks when I went over there. I mean we have fast food places too, but it's a freaking Olympic sport in America. Shesh!
MD
qualiaphile
That was one of my points
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes its true, no use beating around the bush.
Timothy Bryce
Active Member
Am I to understand that you juxtaposed those two quotes of mine to highlight a contradiction?
Or is there something creepier going on that I should know about?
Kind regards,
TGD
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes, and I hope many don't over eat on the holidays.
Timothy Bryce
Active Member
Okay, a lot of presumptuousness about my beauty standards going on in your post and I've obviously hit a nerve and I genuinely apologize for doing so.
I can't recall any instance where I actively went out of my way to confront someone about their appearance solely to lob hatred at them; realistically, it doesn't concern me at all so I have no intention of doing so. I understand that feeling bad about oneself due to one's weight is distressing and, in extreme cases, leads to death, but, if you want to look at the empirical stats - obesity tips the scale so far towards an alarming rate that obesity is an epidemic. It's indisputable:
- For example: if there were some kind of "cigarette smoker acceptance movement," would you not agree that this is something that is completely misguided and dangerous to society? I certainly would.
My comments in this thread have been (almost exclusively) directed at addressing the apparent "fat acceptance movement" that seems to have propped up recently.
I don't wish for people to suffer simply for existing, but I'm tired of people making excuses for their poor health (whether that entails obesity, anorexia, bulimia, laxative abuse, etc) when the most reasonable solution is to accept reality and find a way to coincide with it in a way that enables them to be happy. Physical beauty is, of course in the eye of the beholder (as beautifully exemplified by Nietzsche's candid comment), but to misguide women that you can look any way you want to look and feel good about it, you're doing an enormous segment of the female population a dramatic disservice because you're essentially endorsing not only poor health but a lifestyle that is likely going to lead to more misery for women who would otherwise be happier as a direct consequence of simply looking better.
It would be nice if we all lived in a hold-hands utopia where everyone loves everyone for who they are, but we don't so let's get real.
Relevant video: I LOVE this woman (don't need to mention her name either - she's simply "the hot one"):