The Teen Obesity Problem in America."

[Timothy Bryce]

To be fair, I have known at least 4 guys in the last 20 years who are self-described "chubby chasers." All of them have been good-looking, charismatic guys who had plenty of options to be with thinner women. Now, the women they are with have obviously been on the heavier side, but also generally have better looking faces and body types that are curvaceous. Women who people may describe as "attractive if they lost some weight." So, even with guys who describe such a preference, the women they're with tend to be of a certain, generally attractive type, but worth extra weight. They're never with unattractive, unshapely women.

Come to think of it, I've know a couple of those too. It's a muddy topic.

There might be guys who express this preference out of compromise, but I've never seen it apparently or openly displayed.

Neither. And I think it's obvious why not lol.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

You know, I like to think (and consensus seems to agree) that I'm a pretty damn good lay, so I'd say he's doing pretty well.



And what of me? Looks like I kinda crumble your insults, or are we gonna circle back around to that "overweight people are ugly" thing, because you know, consensus seems to be in my favor here too.

You know what women really love though? Guys who spend their time belittling other girls for their looks on religious forums. Whisper those sweet statistics to me, superficiality is so sexy.

Okay, lovesong, I've been as polite, courteous and considerate as I can to you in this thread so I fail to understand where this animosity is coming from.

I don't think I claimed that all "overweight people are ugly".

What is this "consensus" you're talking about - and I think you alluded to two of them?

1. If any man goes out to pick up and starts rattling on about Nietzsche to women they'd be laughed out of the place in seconds;

2. What consensus are you talking about that confirms that you're an attractive young woman?

And, sorry to put you out babe, but I don't use "Religious Forums" to pick up chicks. My life is a little more fulfilling than that.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Yes and us Australians are just behind you.

Very true.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There's a hilarious quote from an American Dad! episode that is as follows -

Stan: "Of course it's what on the outside that matters, otherwise I would've married that fat girl I had all those deep conversations with."

LOL so true.

What made that funny is that it is true, but for specific types, a certain type which Stan Smith satirizes and parodies, which goes along with his gun obsession and deeply seated homophobia that is lessened but never actually goes away.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

What made that funny is that it is true, but for specific types, a certain type which Stan Smith satirizes and parodies, which goes along with his gun obsession and deeply seated homophobia that is lessened but never actually goes away.

This is true. But being that it is an exercise in satire; this attitude would never have been parodied if it weren't a significantly prominent aspect of society.

Which now brings us back to reality.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

That...makes zero sense. Are you saying you're just lying and presenting a false persona on here? Wtf. So which are you: fake, a troll or telling us how you really feel? Either way, it doesn't reflect well on you as a person.

Well, okay Frank, since you, in a single post, both asked me a question and then extinguished any requirement for me to answer it, I'll address the only reasonable thing about your post that I can actually respond to: why would none of these things (fake, a troll or telling us how you really feel) necessarily reflect poorly on me as a person?

In fact, I would flip it on you and say that your apparent deeply personal and emotional investment in an internet forum doesn't reflect well on you as a person.

Snap.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, okay Frank, since you, in a single post, both asked me a question and then extinguished any requirement for me to answer it, I'll address the only reasonable thing about your post that I can actually respond to: why would none of these things (fake, a troll or telling us how you really feel) necessarily reflect poorly on me as a person?

In fact, I would flip it on you and say that your apparent deeply personal and emotional investment in an internet forum doesn't reflect well on you as a person.

Snap.

Like I give a flying **** about what you think about me.

 

[Nietzsche]

Okay, lovesong, I've been as polite, courteous and considerate as I can to you

in this thread so I fail to understand where this animosity is coming from.

I don't think I claimed that all "overweight people are ugly".

You don't? Did you just forget?

People shouldn't feel "proud" of being fat; they should feel ashamed

Unfortunately, the logical consequence of this is that the attractive, intelligent and desirable have to compromise themselves because of the ugly, the stupid and the mediocre. Not to mention people who are just flat out freaks.

but to misguide women that you can look any way you want to look and feel good about it

If beauty is unfailingly in the eye of the beholder, why has such a huge deal been made out of plus size models recently?

"They should feel ashamed". "The attractive, intelligent and desirable have to compromise themselves because of the ugly"...

If that's your idea of polite, I'm not sure I want to see what you think rude is.

You've hurt her, for no good reason, because who cares about how they feel? They're beneath you. They're mediocre. Undesirable. Really, the way you've been going on they might as well be less than human. It doesn't matter how she feels, because she's not a person to you. You don't have to deal with it. It's disgusting.

If you genuinely are somehow this oblivious, apologize to her. She's won't ask, because she doesn't think she deserves it, but she does.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is true. But being that it is an exercise in satire; this attitude would never have been parodied if it weren't a significantly prominent aspect of society.

Which now brings us back to reality.

And the reality is that some guys are like that, and it shouldn't be assumed all are.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Like I give a flying **** about what you think about me.

Yes, very much so.

You took the time to write this very angry message directed at me.

To me, that indicates two things:

1. You take this forum a little too seriously and exhaust a lot of emotional energy into your engagement with it (perhaps due to personal circumstances, I'm not claiming to know - nor do I claim those circumstances to be any of my business);

2. I've upset you (probably multiple times, but whose counting? Probably no one except you)

Some compassionate advice during this time of love, forgiveness and togetherness: perhaps you should retreat from the internet for a while, take some time to smell the roses, get in touch with your surroundings. As this is a religious/spirituality forum, I would also add that you might benefit from making more connections with the people around you or perhaps adopt a therapy dog; essentially, one thing that allows one to experience the rich, fullness of life (and a relationship with a higher power of some kind) is connecting with it rather than engaging in endeavors that are bound to disconnect you from it (i.e. obsessing over internet personas).

Best of luck!

 

[Timothy Bryce]

And the reality is that some guys are like that, and it shouldn't be assumed all are.

It wasn't.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

You don't? Did you just forget?

"They should feel ashamed". "The attractive, intelligent and desirable have to compromise themselves because of the ugly"...

If that's your idea of polite, I'm not sure I want to see what you think rude is.

You've hurt her, for no good reason, because who cares about how they feel? They're beneath you. They're mediocre. Undesirable. Really, the way you've been going on they might as well be less than human. It doesn't matter how she feels, because she's not a person to you. You don't have to deal with it. It's disgusting.

If you genuinely are somehow this oblivious, apologize to her. She's won't ask, because she doesn't think she deserves it, but she does.

Dude - you've jumbled my posts and taken them completely out of context.

You've taken my words to create a dialogue that never existed in the first place;

i.e. "The attractive, intelligent and desirable have to compromise themselves because of the ugly"... - This was clearly a facetious comment.

The "they should feel ashamed" comment was me expressing my opinion that (given that feelings/emotions prompt people to take action) shame would, with any luck, prompt one to improve their overall health; particularly in the case of obesity,

You've clearly got some serious hang ups about this issue; so perhaps it would be in your best interests to simply disengage.

Getting your Nietzsche-nickers in a knot is not going to do you a lot of good; stress is bad for your health.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

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And, to lovesong: I genuinely apologize if I had actually upset you; my engagement with this forum had almost always been that of a provocative contrarian and I admittedly have gone overboard many times over the last year and I now understand that if I keep it up, I won't even have the opportunity to do so even if I wanted to. You're a human being and that means you are valuable, lovable, worthwhile and beautiful.

I honestly mean that. Take it or leave it.

Kindest regards!

 

[Timothy Bryce]

^Not reading that. Go **** yourself, parasite.

Your funeral; I guess there's just no helping some people.

Well, you've proven the points I made simply by reacting in the way that you have.

Also: a parasite is someone who leeches off of the work or goodwill of others without offering anything in return; such as a welfare mooch. I'm far from that - in fact, I probably pay for you to live.

Maybe you should have rethought your insult; it might've come across a little stronger.

 

[Revoltingest]

What made that funny is that it is true, but for specific types, a certain type which Stan Smith satirizes and parodies, which goes along with his gun obsession and deeply seated homophobia that is lessened but never actually goes away.

And don't forget his being a dedicated big government aparatchik.

 

[Papoon]

Sugar, sugar everywhere.
The sugar industry was very successful in downplaying the unhealthy effects of sugar while branding fat as evil...
... low fat products designed to give the weight conscious costumer a good feeling while doing absolutely nothing to solve the problem.

Indeed, sugar is THE problem.
In fact, studies have been done which involve comparing the effects of diets of 90% carbs, 90% protein and 90% fat over two weeks. Maximum weight loss can be achieved with the diet of fat.

This issue proved another crucial point - scientists can easily be bought by corporations to 'prove' anything. And worse - the 'peer review', often touted as the guarantee of the validity of science, made no difference to utterly bogus and high profile pseudo science.

Big tobacco, the cholesterol/stations scam, and the sugar industry presented very dangerous, fraudulent science for decades.

Who cared ? Did peer review expose it ? Perhaps in the case of tobacco - but the whole world of nutritional science supported and endorsed a load of shameless lies about sugar, fat and cholesterol.
On another tack - dinner plates in the early 20th century were less than half the size they are today.
And here is an important myth to bust - 'baby fat' is fine, and chubby toddlers are cute and healthy.
Wrong.
The maximum size of fat cells is set before teenage. The total number of fat cells remains constant after puberty. So someone who never became overweight in childhood has smaller fat cells than someone who was a chubby baby or child, and is therefore not predisposed to become obese.
And being fat is a huge burden on society, given the health outcomes. Diabetes is set to cripple medical services worldwide.
So being a fatty is dangerous and selfish

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And don't forget his being a dedicated big government aparatchik.

Yeah. He's a caricature of Neo-Conservative with his hot-mamma housewife, just as Halley is a caricature of a Liberal, and Steve being a caricature of a nerd, and Roger being everything else. Of course there is enough truth to it to make it funny, but I've noticed that while many guys do go for looks, about just as many it seems equate too much beauty with too many problems and being high maintenance.
Which also goes for the OP, as indeed a number of people are attracted to fat people. It's even a fetish. It's also *gasp* no indication of actual physical health. NBA players are usually "obese," as are body builders, or just bigger people. Someone who has some extra weight but exercises regularly is far healthier than someone who isn't overweight who does nothing but sit around all day. We shouldn't blame people who are overweight, because it's a symptom of a larger problem.

 

[Aštra’el]

People shouldn't feel "proud" of being fat; they should feel ashamed enough that they feel compelled to improve themselves.

I completely agree. The condition of people's bodies can reveal a lot about their choices, their experiences, their lifestyles, their Will, etc... more than a lot of these people would like to admit. Instead of doing something about it, many of these people become fond of their excuses, they deny the reality of the situation and they live in denial, or they just give up on improving their level of fitness.

I do not feel sympathy for them or encourage their delusion. However, this needn't stand in the way of me establishing connections or even friendships with them... but romantic and erotic relationships are entirely out of the question.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have a fatass aunty (thankfully not blood related) who is extremely passionate about hurtful comments about women specifically being criticized for their weight and how it can lead to bulimia/anorexia. She's always banging on about it and never hesitates to bring up the one time my drunken grandmother made a comment about how her daughter (and subsequently her granddaughter) should lose a little weight.

My aunt is also a stupid *****.

I think our culture's focus on preventing anorexia/bulimia (which are basically just euphemisms for pathological vanity) is completely steered in the wrong direction.

We do have a serious problem with body weight in the west: and it's obesity.

People shouldn't feel "proud" of being fat; they should feel ashamed enough that they feel compelled to improve themselves.

Done.

You might like this....

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

I completely agree. The condition of people's bodies can reveal a lot about their choices, their experiences, their lifestyles, their Will, etc... more than a lot of these people would like to admit. Instead of doing something about it, many of these people become fond of their excuses, they deny the reality of the situation and they live in denial, or they just give up on improving their level of fitness.

I do not feel sympathy for them or encourage their delusion. However, this needn't stand in the way of me establishing connections or even friendships with them... but romantic and erotic relationships are entirely out of the question.

Vanakkam,

It's true. Look at how overweight is my grandfather... You know why ? It's been TWO years that He doesn't lift a finger to do some fitness, even to walk ! He stays in his chair ALL the time, and lately it's even worse: He is not even making the slighest effort to getup of his bed ! And let's not talk about his terrible diet...
His obesity is truly a revelator of his unhealthy and irresponsible lifestyle. I just saw him today, they even had tubes installed in his nose to put oxygen directly in his nose. What a fat, lazy person !
Terminal cancer is such a poor excuse for this ! Truly, we should always judge a person upon looks alone, especially overweight people.