The Theory of Evolution is supported by the evidence.

[Tristesse]

OK, but I think we have the cart before the horse. Before we discuss evolution any further I think we need a plausible scenario for abiogenesis as to how it could happen.

Abiogenesis is irrelevant when discussing evolution. Because whether or not abiogenesis happened has no barring on whether or not evolution happens.

 

[Danmac]

Abiogenesis is irrelevant when discussing evolution. Because whether or not abiogenesis happened has no barring on whether or not evolution happens.

How can you have evolution without abiogenesis?

 

[Tristesse]

How can you have evolution without abiogenesis?

You can. Evolution can occur without abiogenesis. Ask most religious people who accept evolution, most of them believe that "god" got it started, so, abiogenesis really doesn't have any bearing on the issue.

 

[Autodidact]

OK, but I think we have the cart before the horse. Before we discuss evolution any further I think we need a plausible scenario for abiogenesis as to how it could happen.

You are a real piece of work.

No, we don't. It doesn't matter how life got started, ToE is still correct.

Tell you what, let's assume that God magically poofed the first living thing into existence, O.K.?

Now can we talk about evolution?

What I want to know is, if your goal is to avoid discussing evolution, why are you in this thread?

 

[Autodidact]

How can you have evolution without abiogenesis?

As soon as you have imperfect replication and limited resources, you have evolution, regardless of how life got started.

Now, back to your scenario. Your hypothesis is that God magically poofed two of each "kind" (a thing you can neither define nor identify) into existence 6000 years ago, is that right?

 

[Autodidact]

OK, but I think we have the cart before the horse. Before we discuss evolution any further I think we need a plausible scenario for abiogenesis as to how it could happen.

Then I suggest you start a thread to discuss that fascinating subject. This one is about

EVOLUTION.
Do you have anything at all to say about on the subject of evidence and evolution, which is what this thread is about?

 

[Autodidact]

So, do I take it from the fact that in 58 pages you have not addressed the subject of the overwhelming evidence in favor of ToE that you therefore accept it fully? If you have some issue about the evidence, can you state it please?

 

[Danmac]

You are a real piece of work.

No, we don't. It doesn't matter how life got started, ToE is still correct.

Tell you what, let's assume that God magically poofed the first living thing into existence, O.K.?

Now can we talk about evolution?

What I want to know is, if your goal is to avoid discussing evolution, why are you in this thread?

OK lets start with this. Lets look at the first cell that existed. That cell had to grow and eventually reproduce. Growth requires food. Food must be converted into proteins, amino acids, nucleic acids, enzymes, etc. What method did this first cell use to capture energy and convert it into food?

 

[Autodidact]

OK lets start with this. Lets look at the first cell that existed. That cell had to grow and eventually reproduce. Growth requires food. Food must be converted into proteins, amino acids, nucleic acids, enzymes, etc. What method did this first cell use to capture energy and convert it into food?

What does this have to do with evolution? Evolution is about how we get new species.

Look, Danmac, if you don't want to talk about evolution, just man up, tell the truth--you can't face the evidence--and get out of the thread.

 

[Autodidact]

Just to bring you back to the subject, Danmac, the only way you differ with ToE is that you think it's confined to separate, discrete categories that you call "kinds." So let's look at the evidence that differentiates your Hypothesis of Kinds (HoK) from ToE. Sound logical?

 

[Danmac]

What does this have to do with evolution? Evolution is about how we get new species.

Look, Danmac, if you don't want to talk about evolution, just man up, tell the truth--you can't face the evidence--and get out of the thread.

I think the pregnancy is an important part of human life. Seems you like to steer clear of the things you can't answer. If we need another thread for you to answer my last two questions, then giddyup.

 

[Danmac]

Just to bring you back to the subject, Danmac, the only way you differ with ToE is that you think it's confined to separate, discrete categories that you call "kinds." So let's look at the evidence that differentiates your Hypothesis of Kinds (HoK) from ToE. Sound logical?

How about we get an answer to my last to questions before we proceed any further.

 

[Autodidact]

I think the pregnancy is an important part of human life. [/qutoe] It's an important subject. A fascinating subject researchers are working on as we type. It just has nothing to do with this thread.

Seems you like to steer clear of the things you can't answer. If we need another thread for you to answer my last two questions, then giddyup.

EVOLUTION.
This is a thread about evolution. Anything else is off topic. I thought you agreed to stick to that subject? Oh, that's right, your word means nothing to you. I forgot.

If you want to talk about abiogenesis, you should start a thread.

So you don't want to talk about evolution? Two questions:

1. Why are you in the thread?
2. Why do you spout off about it so often?

 

[Autodidact]

How about we get an answer to my last to questions before we proceed any further.

Why? They have nothing to do with the subject at hand. If you just want to avoid the subject, why not just be honest and say so. Oh, that's right, that would require you to be honest.

 

[Autodidact]

God I hope there's a lurker here to observe just how hard a YEC will wriggle to avoid facing the truth.

 

[Danmac]

I think the pregnancy is an important part of human life. [/qutoe] It's an important subject. A fascinating subject researchers are working on as we type. It just has nothing to do with this thread.

EVOLUTION.
This is a thread about evolution. Anything else is off topic. I thought you agreed to stick to that subject? Oh, that's right, your word means nothing to you. I forgot.

If you want to talk about abiogenesis, you should start a thread.

So you don't want to talk about evolution? Two questions:

1. Why are you in the thread?
2. Why do you spout off about it so often?

I'm done here. We need to talk about abiogenesis, and the method by which the first cell converted energy into food. After these questions are settled then we can resume the debate in the evolution thread.

 

[Autodidact]

Wow, 59 pages of avoiding the subject followed by giving up and running away. You are a real piece of work. Good job at representing Christianity.

O.K. fine, no problem. Of course, I assume you will now refrain from making assertions on the subject?

 

[Autodidact]

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Oh well, he's gone. Guess the only thing to do now is...: hamster :

 

[Autodidact]

Why didn't he just say he didn't want to discuss the subject 59 pages ago? I don't understand some people. But then, my salvation isn't dependent on denying reality.