MSizer
MSizer
And don't forget about the poop.
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The ToE and common ancestry of all life forms did not come from looking at the evidence
- Thread starter Man of Faith
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And don't forget about the poop.
ragordon168
Active Member
i assumed noah and his 5(?) sons were working 24/7 to shovel that over the sides. given the amount produced by some animals they would run out of space in like 5 mins lol
creation myths say a lot of things, there's no reason to assume that any of it is true. And today we have a much better explanation for our origins. Not to mention that creation stories were just common in those days.
ragordon168
Active Member
death is life though, for something to live something must die. to eat either plants or animals must die. so saying genesis is better because it says life comes first is useless as an argument.
why the nostril? why not mouth to mouth, seems to make more sense to me
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
I'm not asking you to prove or disprove anything, where on earth did you get that? Please try to focus. You agree that new species arise by evolutionary process. You agree that new species come from them, and others from them, till we get new genii. (You agreed to that early in the thread.) But, you say, at some arbitrary point, which you cannot identify, this process hits a wall, and stops, no more change is possible. Why? What stops it? On what do you base that?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
About how many "kinds" did Noah take on the ark?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Let's do some science. You have a hypothesis, which is that Noah took two lizards on a boat 4000 years ago and the 5000 known species (and probably as many unknown species) of lizard evolved from them over the last 4000 years. Now we can use the hypothesis to make a prediction. It predicts that we will continually see new lizard species coming into existence at a rate of at last one per year. Let's look and see whether the hypothesis is correct. Is this what scientists see? For example, in the last 20 years, have 20 new species of lizard come into existence?
Alceste
Vagabond
So how many lizards did Noah take? Two, or ten thousand? I'd also appreciate the book and relevant verse so I can double check.
If he took two, why don't we see a brand new species of lizard every year? If he took ten thousand, how big was this boat of his, and how did he manage to get a pair from every corner of the world - some of which the writers of the Bible didn't even know existed?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
What else do you want me to give up out of the Bible besides the creation story? How about Enoch not dieing but being taken up by God? How about Jesus' virgin birth? How about Jesus being raised from the dead by God and being seen by 5,000 after that and ascending in front of the disciples into heaven? How about when a donkey talked? How about when angels came to Lot and then God destroyed Soddom and Gommorah with fire and brimstone from heaven? How about the parting of the red sea?
Let me know so I will know how much of the Bible to leave in place.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
The process that lizards produce lizards as you described it does not stop, I never said it does.
I'd be happy if you embraced reality and gave up all of the bible. But only if you did so with good reason. I mean some of the stories are ok, but there's no reason to take any of it literally. And if you really believe that donkey's can talk umm.... I'm afraid you're never going to understand the process of evolution. Which is actually pretty sad, because it's an awesome process, once you understand it.
Alceste
Vagabond
Man, this "all or nothing" stuff must be exhausting.
If I were you, I'd chuck the whole thing and base your beliefs on something simpler and more up-to-date, like Jonathan Livingstone Seagull or something.
Alceste
Vagabond
But do geckos produce Komodo dragons?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
I don't care what you do with your Bible. I'm only interested in the truth. If any specific part of your Bible conflicts with the truth, then, if you want to be an honest person, I expect you to reject it. If you don't care about the truth, continue to believe whatever lies you like. How do you do that exactly?
MSizer
MSizer
"ooh, ooh, pick me miss, pick me! I know the answer! It's called cognitive dissonance!"
ragordon168
Active Member
1. virgin birth - not that hard if you think about it. joesph just got a bit 'excited' and finished before the main event so to speak. no loss of virginity but one pregnant mary.
2. soddom and gommorah - more than likely a story baout how those who don't follow god -and by proxy the spiritual leaders - are doomed to destruction.
3. red sea - according to wiki the red sea is 355km wide and holds 233,000 km^3 of water. how on earth could that ever be split, and since the egyptians were chasing them at the time there is no way they would have made it across safely. a more credible argument is the splitting of the reed sea by a tsunami caused by the erution of santorini n 1500BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Sea)
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Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I don't know but they are both still lizards. Have we gone from lizard to anything else yet, and if so what is it?
MSizer
MSizer
How about reptiles to birds? Wolves to whales? Are either of those examples good enough?
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
MoF:
You still dodging the DNA question. Why?
And you never answered #583. Why?
You still dodging the DNA question. Why?
And you never answered #583. Why?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Which reptile became a bird and how many changes did it take? Can we name all the different animals from bird to reptile and show their skeletons? Like Darwin said there should be millions of transitional fossiles out there to show all this evolution.
I heard that it would take about 500 different changes to go from land dwelling to a sea dwelling animal and they would have to pretty much change simultaneously. How would an animal from from lungs to gills in one day? It doesn't even make common sense.