OK. You can give me a step by step explanation how you understand your view. I will read it. Quote this here and present your view. Thanks.
This is how I understand it. I did one verse each but they all work in context and as a unit
1. God is the creator Genesis 1:1-25 (given)
2. He had oral dictations Deuteronomy 28:1 (Full OT)
3. The oral dictations/laws-the “Word” of god-of god and the dictations themselves are one (John 10:36)
4. People didn’t listen Romans 4:15 (among others)
5. So, the creator made a new law. Ephesians 1:7 1 and summarized the old law Mathew 5:17
6. How did he do this? He took his oral law/Word (above) and made it incarnate (John 1:1) so it/he can walked among the people in order for them to have an intimate relationship with the Word/Law which is inseparable from the creator. So, when you follow christ, you follow the creator. People have been getting this wrong and worshiping christ so christ says: John 5:39-40. He also tells his apostles Mark 10:18 (among others)
7. Instead of worshiping the vehicle in which salvation is given, you worship the person who is the source of that vehicle. You worship the source not tool.
If I told you I drove my car to the store, you wouldn’t think the car drove itself but the source/me was the one who used the car to drive it to the store. That doesn’t mean there is no relationship between the car and myself. I own the car. It is My Car. You can even say it’s a reflection of me because it reflects my character (assuming I’m a car fan). But the car is not me.
If I told you that the creator sent christ to earth so believers can be saved, you wouldn’t think that christ himself out of his own intentions sent himself to earth for others to be saved. Christ doesn’t save by himself. That doesn’t mean there is no relationship between the creator and christ. Christ is god’s son. You can even say that christ is a reflection of his father because christ reflects god’s character. But christ is not the creator but it is still relevant nonetheless.
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Most Christians, I for one, understand John 1:10 to refer to His incarnation, ". . . He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. . . ." The world is understood by many Christians to refer to mankind, John 3:16. He was in mankind as a man.
The world was made the creator through christ. So, you can say technically the car drove to the store but most people who are monotheist would give credit to the source, the driver, not the car. Likewise, non-trinitarians would most likely give the credit to the creator as the source/driver. That doesn’t mean that christ isn’t important. Just he isn’t to be worshiped (above).
LOL. Ephesians 3:9, ". . . God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: . . ." Colossians 1:15-17, ". . . Who is the image of the invisible God, . . . For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. . . ."
Hebrews 1:3, ". . . Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; . . ."
By-is a preposition. It relates the creator to his son. The son is used by the creator to be an instrument of salvation. (Instrument is a better word than vehicle now that I think of it)
Because christ is the creator’s son, he gave the son the power that creator had (John 14:!6 and Mathew 28:18). That doesn’t mean he is the creator. He was given the authority to speak for the creator. A representative Colossians 1:15
What you are not understanding is that Christ is both not God and God. Being that He is the incarnate Word, John 1:14. The Word was both with the God, that is, not being the God and was God, John 1:1, and is the agent of all creation, John 1:2-3. John 1:3, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." Referring to the Word.
Both means two not one. Trinity not unity (by the way).
Colossians 1:15 Now you can say christ is god by this verse, but how I read it by the rest of what I wrote is another example of the relationship between christ and his father. Though, side note, in Hindu traditions-for example-the incarnation is actually god itself so in some people’s point of view, I guess one can say there is no incarnation cause all is god. But where you guys part is trying to say that christ is god while at the same time saying christ is not god (like you mentioned god not god). It confuses people.
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Also, with the titles etc
The prophecy, Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Called; referred to; addressed is exactly what I mean by title. When you are given a title, that’s how people refer to you, by that title. These are adjectives to describe god but they are not god itself. Proper pronoun, for lack of better words, but definitely god wouldn’t be a title. There are religions in which sound and words “are” god, but I never heard that in abrahamic traditions unless christianity is unique in those regards.
Take your time.
