The Trinity in the OT (my belief)

[rational experiences]

Human reality.

My human father. One ...my human mother one......my human baby self.one.

One and one and one is three holy bodies of one self.

All human. Not explained as any other form in a conscious awAre Trinity of self human status. Personal holiness.

 

[Tumah]

In the Old Testament, God created the heavens and earth is six days and he rested on the seventh day; Sabbath day. If you look closely, there is no mention of the eighth day of Creation, in the Old Testament. This suggests means God was still on his Sabbath rest during most of the Old Testament, and had not yet started to work a new work week.

...or that the week is only 7 days long...

During the Sabbath, one is not supposed to do work. One is to prepare all that is needed so they can coast on the Sabbath. God created animal and humans on the sixth day. However, work may still be done on this Sabbath, but his needs to be done by those who do not observe the Sabbath and who are not under its regulations; slaves and servants.

Slaves are prohibited from doing the same work their masters are forbidden. Ex. 20:9, Deut. 5:13

The rest of your post just keeps getting worse so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Tumah]

But that stance can also be applied to in the other direction. Who was non-Scriptural?

Isaiah 9:For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace
there will be no end,
on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
to establish it and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
from this time forth and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.

To the eye of a reader... it would seem to be a person.

To the eye of the reader, your post has nothing to do with the post you're responding to.

 

[Kenny]

To the eye of the reader, your post has nothing to do with the post you're responding to.

Not to those who hold that Immanuel is the personification of God.

 

[RabbiO]

So... if God is the son, the father, the word, and the messanger/angel of God, isn't that a quartet?

That way you only need another six for a minyan.

 

[37818]

Romans 8:16 says "THE spirit bears witness". THE spirit means ONE spirit. the one spirit of God. I see nothing that says the Father has a spirit and the Son has a spirit and the Spirit has a spirit. God is one spirit.

Romans 8:9 ". . . the Spirit of God . . ." ". . . the Spirit of Christ, . . ." Romans 8:16, ". . . the Spirit Himself . . ." Yes those three Persons are the one and the same Spirit, John 4:24.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Romans 8:9 ". . . the Spirit of God . . ." ". . . the Spirit of Christ, . . ." Romans 8:16, ". . . the Spirit Himself . . ." Yes those three Persons are the one and the same Spirit, John 4:24.

Romans 8:16 says the spirit ITSELF bears witness. The spirit is not a HE but an IT. The one spirit that is God. There is no separate spirit as a third person in a trinity.

 

[37818]

Romans 8:16 says the spirit ITSELF bears witness. The spirit is not a HE but an IT. The one spirit that is God. There is no separate spirit as a third person in a trinity.

The Spirit in the Greek text is indeed Neuter. But is referred to as a Person, John 16:8, Masculine.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

The Spirit in the Greek text is indeed Neuter. But is referred to as a Person, John 16:8, Masculine.

Some languages do not have words for objects that are not alive. In Spanish a car is a "he" and a house is a "she". Just because a spirit is called "he" does not make it a living male object. God IS a spirit, not a physical body. God is holy The spirit that is God is the only spirit that is holy. Therefore the Holy Spirit. But not a separate part of some trinity.

 

[37818]

Some languages do not have words for objects that are not alive. In Spanish a car is a "he" and a house is a "she". Just because a spirit is called "he" does not make it a living male object. God IS a spirit, not a physical body. God is holy The spirit that is God is the only spirit that is holy. Therefore the Holy Spirit. But not a separate part of some trinity.

You can believe how you want. But the Holy Spirit is a Person. He gives instructions, Acts 8:29 and has a will, 1 Corinthians 12:11.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You can believe how you want. But the Holy Spirit is a Person. He gives instructions, Acts 8:29 and has a will, 1 Corinthians 12:11.

It looks like it says spirit of the lord not spirit in its own right

Acts 8:39
When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, but went on his way rejoicing

Context...just sayin'

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

You can believe how you want. But the Holy Spirit is a Person. He gives instructions, Acts 8:29 and has a will, 1 Corinthians 12:11.

Is there a reason why the Father cannot give instruction and have a will? God IS the holy spirit, not has a holy spirit. God's spirit can give you instruction or give comfort or help with other problems. God does not need help from a separate "person" to do whatever needs to be done.

 

[37818]

It looks like it says spirit of the lord not spirit in its own right

Acts 8:39
When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, but went on his way rejoicing

Context...just sayin'

I cannot cause you to understand what you do not want to believe. All three Persons are the one LORD God.

 

[37818]

Is there a reason why the Father cannot give instruction and have a will? God IS the holy spirit, not has a holy spirit. God's spirit can give you instruction or give comfort or help with other problems. God does not need help from a separate "person" to do whatever needs to be done.

Am I the to understand you do not believe John 1:10 to be referring to Christ? John 1:2-3, Colossians 1:16-17.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I cannot cause you to understand what you do not want to believe. All three Persons are the one LORD God.

You're making this personal. I wasn't part of the conversation, so you don't know what I want to or don't want to believe. Someone giving you an objective view is very useful. When you're stuck in your biases and what you're comfortable with, it's hard to see the other way around. So difficult, either it becomes personal or you flat out reject it.

Open up a bit. You don't have to agree to be vulnerable to opinions different than your own.

 

[37818]

You're making this personal. I wasn't part of the conversation, so you don't know what I want to or don't want to believe. Someone giving you an objective view is very useful. When you're stuck in your biases and what you're comfortable with, it's hard to see the other way around. So difficult, either it becomes personal or you flat out reject it.

Open up a bit. You don't have to agree to be vulnerable to opinions different than your own.

It looks like it says spirit of the lord not spirit in its own right

Acts 8:39
When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, but went on his way rejoicing

Context...just sayin'

Are you interpreting "Spirit of the Lord" meaning Christ, Romans 8:9 or the LORD God, Isaiah 43:11?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Are you interpreting "Spirit of the Lord" meaning Christ, Romans 8:9 or the LORD God, Isaiah 43:11?

No. Lord is a title. Christians call the spirit lord/god/holy one/father/and so forth. Lord isn't a person-i.e. Lord Henry and Lord of the Rings.

It's like saying 37818's spirit. That doesn't mean you're separate from your spirit-you Are spirit-we just call you 37818. There's no separate person: spirit/god/holy spirit.

Lord is a title. Holy is an adjective. Christ is a human. The creator is a spirit.

You call the spirit god, because you worship him. You call him holy, because of his nature. You call him christ, because of his incarnation. You call him lord because he's worthy of that title.

How you address the creator (by your language) is based on the context and usage of the word. Your usage (and biblical translation) doesn't make it three different people. Christianity is said to be monotheist religion. So, you can't have one god/spirit, one god/christ, and one god/creator. Just one creator not three.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Am I the to understand you do not believe John 1:10 to be referring to Christ? John 1:2-3, Colossians 1:16-17.

John 1:10 refers to the creator not his incarnation (through christ not by christ)
The last two verses read as repeats.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Am I the to understand you do not believe John 1:10 to be referring to Christ? John 1:2-3, Colossians 1:16-17.

I absolutely believe all things were made by Jesus. At that time he was called "the Word". The word was with God and the Word was God and the Word became fles and was called Jesus.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I cannot cause you to understand what you do not want to believe. All three Persons are the one LORD God.

But why does it have to be three persons? John 4:24 says God IS a spirit. Not God HAS a spirit. If God IS a spirit there is no need for a thrird person spirit. Just a Father and a Son sharing one spirit that is God.