The trinity is false - I have proof

[TrueBeliever37]

The only ones who fear using Gods name in vain are the wicked. Jesus showed in the Lords prayer=his Fathers name is the #1 issue for all involved. He as well taught that name to his followers(John 17:6) and promised to keep on making it known( John 17:26)--A Christian does what Jesus did to the best of their abilities. The righteous run to the name Jehovah as a strong tower( Prov 18:10)
Micah 4:5= All people walk in the name of their God. But we will walk in the name of Jehovah forever.

But "Jehovah" is not his name. There is no equivalent for a J in the Hebrew language. The Jews had decided
his name shouldn't be spoken. So they put vowel points in from other words to remind them not to say his name. Some wanna be scholars came along and translated his name using the vowel points from the other words and came up with the artificial name "Jehovah".

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Is YHWH my true God, or does he simply wish to be my true God?

YHWH is the name of the true God. The one called Jesus by most of Christianity was YHWH. YHWH is an eternal Spirit that cannot die, but the body he made for himself could die. YHWH was dwelling in that body. IT wasn't another person. YHWH didn't have blood to shed for man's sin, so he made himself a body to dwell in and sacrifice for sins. He was the Father of that body, so he called it his son.

Of course since that body was like ours it had weaknesses, and was subject to temptation just like we are. So the flesh prayed to the eternal Spirit for strength in order to be that perfect sacrifice. But it wasn't another person.

Just like it says in Isaiah 9:6 the son to be born would be called the mighty God and the everlasting Father. He was both the Father and the Son. The Father is the eternal Spirit and the Son is the fleshly body.

 

[cataway]

YHWH is the name of the true God. The one called Jesus by most of Christianity was YHWH. YHWH is an eternal Spirit that cannot die, but the body he made for himself could die. YHWH was dwelling in that body. IT wasn't another person. YHWH didn't have blood to shed for man's sin, so he made himself a body to dwell in and sacrifice for sins. He was the Father of that body, so he called it his son.

Of course since that body was like ours it had weaknesses, and was subject to temptation just like we are. So the flesh prayed to the eternal Spirit for strength in order to be that perfect sacrifice. But it wasn't another person.

Just like it says in Isaiah 9:6 the son to be born would be called the mighty God and the everlasting Father. He was both the Father and the Son. The Father is the eternal Spirit and the Son is the fleshly body.

you likely don't realize it that there is a vast difference in '' mighty God '' and the ''all mighty God ''

 

[InChrist]

God was speaking to the angels whom he had already created in the same image. In the scriptures angels look like men.

In your view of God as three persons, who was the one making the actual statement saying "Let us make man...? Were all 3 speaking at the same time?

Your perspective is interesting. In the scriptures, angels did at times take on the appearance of men, but I don’t think that necessarily means angels look like humans in the spiritual realm.

The text doesn’t indicate whether it was God the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit speaking in Genesis 1, saying….
“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness…”. I would guess God the Father, but that’s just my perspective, but I don’t believe He was speaking to angels.

 

[cataway]

i dont know of any scripture that indicates that angels had any part in the creative works . Jesus how ever was a major player in making thing happen . his God said do this or that, then by Gods command it was done. there would be no freelance work .

 

[TrueBeliever37]

you likely don't realize it that there is a vast difference in '' mighty God '' and the ''all mighty God ''

He has all power in heaven and earth. He is the head of all principality and power. Colossians 2:9-10 That means he is all mighty. He is both mighty and almighty.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

i dont know of any scripture that indicates that angels had any part in the creative works . Jesus how ever was a major player in making thing happen . his God said do this or that, then by Gods command it was done. there would be no freelance work .

I never said the angels had a part in creation. The next verses let you know that God himself did the creating. God was informing the angels that he was going to create man in their image, and that man would be given dominion over this earth.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Your perspective is interesting. In the scriptures, angels did at times take on the appearance of men, but I don’t think that necessarily means angels look like humans in the spiritual realm.

The text doesn’t indicate whether it was God the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit speaking in Genesis 1, saying….
“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness…”. I would guess God the Father, but that’s just my perspective, but I don’t believe He was speaking to angels.

If "God" said it, and if "God" is a Trinity, then how would that not be all 3 speaking at once?

And if you think it was One person in the Godhead speaking to another person in the Godhead, then that would either be God speaking to himself, or there is more than ONE God.

Who DO you think he was speaking to? The Son wasn't born yet? The son was made of a woman, made under the law. Galatians 4:4

The apostle John said "God is a Spirit" (Not 3 persons)

Paul said "yet for us there is only one God, the Father..." 1 Corinthians 8:6

In Isaiah 44:24 YHWH said he made all things, and stretched out the heavens alone, and spread abroad the earth by himself.

Matthew 1:20 lets us know the Holy Spirit IS the Father. Mary was found with child of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't another person. God is a Spirit and he is holy.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

i dont know of any scripture that indicates that angels had any part in the creative works . Jesus how ever was a major player in making thing happen . his God said do this or that, then by Gods command it was done. there would be no freelance work .

Read Isaiah 44:24 where YHWH said he made all things, and he said alone and by myself. The reason YHWSH (the one you call Jesus) was a major player is because that was actually YHWH dwelling in a fleshly body.

 

[cataway]

consider
Colossians 1:15-17

15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16  because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17  Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,
p Joh 1:1-3; Joh 1:14

John 1:1-3

1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2  This one was in the beginning with God. 3  All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.What has come into existence
John 1:14

14  So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Proverbs 8:30​

Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

 

[TrueBeliever37]

consider
Colossians 1:15-17

15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16  because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17  Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,
p Joh 1:1-3; Joh 1:14

John 1:1-3

1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2  This one was in the beginning with God. 3  All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.What has come into existence
John 1:14

14  So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Proverbs 8:30​

Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

Colossians 1:15-17 Like I said, He is YHWH. The Messiah was the image (body) of the invisible God. YHWH was here in that body. And all things were made by YHWH.
For in him (Messiah) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:8-9

John 1:1-3 Logos is a Greek word meaning - thought / idea / concept / plan /etc.

Hence it could have been translated: In the beginning was the plan, and the plan was with God, and the plan was God.
Known unto God are all his works from the beginning. The whole plan revolved around God. When the time came around for that part of his plan to be fulfilled, he took on flesh, and shed his blood for our sins.

Proverbs 8:30 Read the whole chapter. It is clearly talking about wisdom.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

I believe the trinity is false. God is not a trinity. Proof?

1 Corinthians 14.33
For God is not the author of confusion

The trinity create confusion.

And

Exodus 20.5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

According to the trinity God has three I. But according to Exodus 20.5 God has only one I

I think this is the problem when you expect the Christian bible to have consistent perspectives on god the father and the messiah and it doesn’t…
it doesn’t even have consistent perspectives on Satan either.
There are several verses from what I can remember which implies that Jesus pre-existed before being born as human… so then you have to ask yourself who did those writers think Jesus was before he was born human? The Jehovah witnesses try and resolve this dilemma by concluding that Jesus was the arch Angel Michael prior to his human birth. Personally I think there is more evidence to suggest that some of the biblical writers did believe he was god made flesh

 

[metis]

The apostles were the original source, not the council at Nicaea. The apostles didn't teach a Trinity.

The concept of "Trinity" was and is a theological construct trying to explain the relationship between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This construct uses the concept of "essence" that well educated Mediterranean people back in Jesus' time would understand as it came mostly from Aristotle and Plato.

es·sence
[ˈes(ə)ns]
noun

1. the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character:

 

[metis]

YHWH is the name of the true God.

32 Names of God and Their Meaning – Bible Facts Press

www.biblefactspress.com

 

[cataway]

I think this is the problem when you expect the Christian bible to have consistent perspectives on god the father and the messiah and it doesn’t…
it doesn’t even have consistent perspectives on Satan either.
There are several verses from what I can remember which implies that Jesus pre-existed before being born as human… so then you have to ask yourself who did those writers think Jesus was before he was born human? The Jehovah witnesses try and resolve this dilemma by concluding that Jesus was the arch Angel Michael prior to his human birth. Personally I think there is more evidence to suggest that some of the biblical writers did believe he was god made flesh

The name Michael is a masculine name of Hebrew origin that means "Who is like God"
who is more like God than Jesus ?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

The name Michael is a masculine name of Hebrew origin that means "Who is like God"
who is more like God than Jesus ?

Just to clarify are you saying you do believe Jesus was god?

 

[InChrist]

If "God" said it, and if "God" is a Trinity, then how would that not be all 3 speaking at once?

And if you think it was One person in the Godhead speaking to another person in the Godhead, then that would either be God speaking to himself, or there is more than ONE God.

I don’t have the view that there’s more than One God and I don’t think the three Persons of the Godhead indicates any such idea. Take the concept of a family, for example: one family. This family may have a dad, mom, and a child- three persons/one family. I see the Godhead in this way…three eternally existent Spirit Beings/Persons. When I use the word Person in reference to God I don’t mean “human”, I mean a Spiritual Being with personality.

Who DO you think he was speaking to? The Son wasn't born yet? The son was made of a woman, made under the law. Galatians 4:4

The apostle John said "God is a Spirit" (Not 3 persons)

Paul said "yet for us there is only one God, the Father..." 1 Corinthians 8:6

In Isaiah 44:24 YHWH said he made all things, and stretched out the heavens alone, and spread abroad the earth by himself.

Matthew 1:20 lets us know the Holy Spirit IS the Father. Mary was found with child of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't another person. God is a Spirit and he is holy.

According to the scriptures, the Son/the Word “became flesh” (John 1), was with God and was God prior to coming to earth and being born physically through Mary. So this tells me that the Son is a spiritual Being who existed eternally before becoming a human.