The trinity is false - I have proof

[paarsurrey]

The trinity is false - I have proof

Yes, one may continue giving one's proofs till it is understood without doubt, please, right?

Regards

 

[soulsurvivor]

I believe the trinity is false. God is not a trinity. Proof?

1 Corinthians 14.33
For God is not the author of confusion

The trinity create confusion.

And

Exodus 20.5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

According to the trinity God has three I. But according to Exodus 20.5 God has only one I

The Old Testament is wrong. In fact, the Old Testament is wrong about lots of things, it is best to ignore it and rely on the New Testament instead.

However, the trinity does create confusion because of this three in one doctrine. There are actually three separate Gods who work together.

BTW, I did not see any proof in your post

 

[Ebionite]

The Old Testament is wrong. In fact, the Old Testament is wrong about lots of things, it is best to ignore it and rely on the New Testament instead.

You mean like how Jesus ignored it?

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18

And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Matthew 21:13

 

[soulsurvivor]

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Which law is that? That you should not wear clothes mixed with wool and linen or that you should not eat shellfish or pork?

 

[Ebionite]

Which law is that?

The law that provides context for religious prejudice.

But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
John 15:25

 

[soulsurvivor]

The law that provides context for religious prejudice.

But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
John 15:25

I don't hate anybody, but I would like to know which law in the OT you are talking about (chapter and verse). But you keep quoting the NT,

 

[Ebionite]

I don't hate anybody, but I would like to know which law in the OT you are talking about (chapter and verse). But you keep quoting the NT,

Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: [neither] let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.
Psalms 35:19

 

[soulsurvivor]

Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: [neither] let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.
Psalms 35:19

Some psalms are quite good. I agree. But still does not tell me which laws in the OT you think we should follow.

 

[dfnj]

I believe the trinity is false. God is not a trinity. Proof?

1 Corinthians 14.33
For God is not the author of confusion

The trinity create confusion.

And

Exodus 20.5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

According to the trinity God has three I. But according to Exodus 20.5 God has only one I

Think of the Trinity this way. There are two aspects to God:

1. God as in immanence which is a cataphatic or affirmative way to the divine as in "God is Love", "God is Beauty", "God is Good."

2. God as in transcendence which is unknowable, infinite, and beyond any human comprehension.

3. #1 and #2 form a Unity of Opposites allowing yourself, that is, the holy spirit within you, to experience God.

 

[dfnj]

You want to know something funny? My largest epiphany I had that was cemented, not counting today’s huge bombshell mistake, was the idea that The Omniverse, Entropy and Extropy are in a trinity of Godhood, similar to trinitarianism but for my pantheist belief system. For awhile I was struggling really hard because I held, temporarily, that extropy should only have the spotlight, but then I realized where everything comes from, The Omniverse, and that everything goes through some form of entropy, and I realized that I had a trinity forming in my head. To equate it in Christian terminology, the Holy Spirit is The Omniverse, Entropy is the Father, and Extropy is the Son. And everything clicked in my head and made sense to me again. So no, I don’t find the trinity to be confusing at all. In fact, that was one of my latest revelations and after I held that everything made sense again and I wasn't stuck in dasein anymore.

I can tell by your way of thinking you would like this video and the part about apophatic theology:

 

[Ebionite]

Some psalms are quite good. I agree. But still does not tell me which laws in the OT you think we should follow.

The are several different Hebrew words that can be translated as law. Fulfilment of law relates to torah, which means instructions or teaching. Teaching is fulfilled when then student attains knowledge. Following, in this sense, involves interpreting the language that flows from the original idea, which in this case is expressed by the original verse of my argument:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18
More context for this can be found in the other verses of Psalm 35 and the verses which relate to the entanglement of the net:

Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk.
And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any [man]: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?
Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Matthew 22:15-21

 

[soulsurvivor]

The are several different Hebrew words that can be translated as law. Fulfilment of law relates to torah, which means instructions or teaching. Teaching is fulfilled when then student attains knowledge. Following, in this sense, involves interpreting the language that flows from the original idea, which in this case is expressed by the original verse of my argument:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18
More context for this can be found in the other verses of Psalm 35 and the verses which relate to the entanglement of the net:

Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk.
And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any [man]: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?
Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Matthew 22:15-21

You keep quoting the NT to prove that the OT is worth following. (And some bits from the Psalms)

 

[Colt]

I believe the trinity is false. God is not a trinity. Proof?

1 Corinthians 14.33
For God is not the author of confusion

The trinity create confusion.

And

Exodus 20.5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

According to the trinity God has three I. But according to Exodus 20.5 God has only one I

Jesus never claimed to be the 3rd person of Triune deity. He made reference to Father, Son and Spirit so the Trinity concept assumes he was that son.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The Trinitarian concept in Catholicism has it that there are not three gods but one God with Jesus and the Holy Spirit being of the "essence" of God.

That sounds to me a lot like Sabellianism, which is considered a heresy in the Catholic Church and is incompatible with Trinitarianism.

Sabellianism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I believe the trinity is false. God is not a trinity. Proof?

1 Corinthians 14.33
For God is not the author of confusion

The trinity create confusion.

And

Exodus 20.5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

According to the trinity God has three I. But according to Exodus 20.5 God has only one I

I gotta say: this approach has a lot of appeal: "God is not the author of confusion, therefore if I find something in Christianity confusing, it must be false."

Let's apply this across the board. I knlw there's lots of stuff that I find confusing in the Bible; I'm glad we can throw them all out.

 

[Ebionite]

You keep quoting the NT to prove that the OT is worth following. (And some bits from the Psalms)

The message of the gospel depends on validation, and validation exists in the prophets of the Tanak.

A testament relates to the deceased, but:

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Mark 12:27 (Also Jeremiah 10:10)

 

[Ebionite]

Jesus never claimed to be the 3rd person of Triune deity. He made reference to Father, Son and Spirit so the Trinity concept assumes he was that son.

The prophetic texts refer to him as a servant, not a son.

 

[Colt]

The prophetic texts refer to him as a servant, not a son.

Jesus referred to himself as Son of Man and Son of God. Thats one of the reasons that the Jews considered him to be blasphemous.

 

[metis]

Jesus referred to himself as Son of Man and Son of God. Thats one of the reasons that the Jews considered him to be blasphemous.

Actually, not true. All Jews are considered "sons of God", and "son of man" is messianic, which is an opinion but not considered blasphemy. Jesus wasn't the only one to make such a claim.

 

[Link]

Trinity was needed to make ambiguous the position of the holy spirit. That was needed to make unclear the clear prophecies regarding Mohammad (s). If people understood how Elyas (a) came back and the position of the holy spirit he held till Mohammad (s), then the prophecies of Jesus (a) about both become clear.

Without Trinity, everyone would see Mohammad (s) clearly in the Gospels.