Not sure what you failed to understand ? and why you would post from wiki .. ?? as if this was some kind of scholarship.. but a wild goose chase even if it was .. as you have not addressed anything said.. say what you are contesting .. and then cite from your link what it is that supports .. and why ?
What part of Ignatius and Clement know nothing of the living Disciple John wandering around do you not understand . ? you have failed to address this steaming problem..
Irenaeus is not reliable --- read what is said .. if you are going to cut and paste .. But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles,
If we can believe this is Irenaeus at all but even so - we are told Ireneous saw Polycarp .. and heard some stories when he was very young. but obviously those stories are suspect because who are the apostles (note the plural) which are distinguished from some other apostles who appointed him Bishop in Smyrna ?
Who are all these apostles .. as they were all dead .. which disciples other than John .. we have at least 3 others though it sounds like more ..
??? Please name me 3 disciples other than John .. as for giggles I just read about the deaths of each .. to make sure I remembered correctly.
and now tell me .. why does Clement .. who was way more prominent than Polycarp and goes back further in time ..knows nothing about any of these 4 original disciples wandering around ?
Things that make you go hmmmmm Daniel .. .. you have yet to tell me who the is the father of confusion in the bible ? .. and why ye are so desperate to find a path away from the Word of Jesus ? Who is the chief God on earth Daniel .. and who is the God of Jesus ?