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The Trinity makes no sense to me. Please Explain....

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
i agree, its a bit wishy washy. another question, whats the benefit of the doctrine? look at all the things Jesus taught, every lesson had a benefit for mankind. look years later when the trinity doctrine starts, there are many explanations of how it works, this means that and all the rest, but nothing explaining how it helps us, how it makes us a better servant of the Lord.

Are you saying the doctrine has had a positive impact?

I don't think it has. Christians, who claim to be monotheists are worshiping 3 separate deities...who are sometimes one...sometimes man, sometimes not. Wouldn't it be better for those who believe in God to seek the truth and not a convenient answer which requires less investigation and exertion?
 

jaybird

Member
Are you saying the doctrine has had a positive impact?

I don't think it has. Christians, who claim to be monotheists are worshiping 3 separate deities...who are sometimes one...sometimes man, sometimes not. Wouldn't it be better for those who believe in God to seek the truth and not a convenient answer which requires less investigation and exertion?

if it has a benefit i dont see it. and i dont see how belief in it would change anything Jesus taught. if anything it puts limits to our understanding on things Jesus taught.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
jaybird said:
if it has a benefit i dont see it. and i dont see how belief in it would change anything Jesus taught. if anything it puts limits to our understanding on things Jesus taught.
Fair enough.
So you don't believe in the trinity?
Trinity has had never any positive effect. No,never, no
Regards
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Hi
I have never really understood the Trinity, and I was just wondering if anyone here did, and if so if they could explain why some people think that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one but not the same, and if you could explain so without saying it's a mystery of God's nature etc. - I already know it's a bit of a mystery and I am trying to understand it a bit more. Thanks
Jesus was the Temple made without hands with the Father indwelling the Holy of Holies. In fact it's only occurred to me just now that according to scripture Jesus was the Holy of Holies:

Hebrews 10:19-20 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Gotta go so this is all I'll share for now.
 

jaybird

Member
Fair enough.

So you don't believe in the trinity?

i believe Jesus had some divine quality, connection with the All High. thats as much as i know and believe and as much as i would proclaim as truth.
i dont agree with how the trinity is taught. i think it limits your understanding on what Jesus did and taught. with that being said i dont proclaim the trinity a false teaching, i just dont accept how it is taught. hope that makes sense
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
well here is my reply:
John 1:1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was a god ( I believe "a god" is what the Greek language expresses)
- First of all this tells us the word existed with God in the beginning. To be with someone you have to be separate persons. We can get into the definite article if you wish, and putting "a god" in the passage makes more sense then god. but again I believe that John was expressing "a God'. If Jesus was the father or god it would read like this En arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton theon kai ton theon en ho logos ( in the beginning was the word, and the word was with the god and the god was the word.
so from this passage it is evident Jesus existed apart from the only true god.

John 17:5 So now father glorify me at your side with the glory "I had before the world was"
So the son is speaking here and he is telling the father to glorify him(the son) with the glory I(the son) had before the world was.
they are separate beings. So what glory did the son have before the world was?

Philippians 2:6 for although he(Paul is talking about the son Jesus) was existing in gods form (defining what gods form means is a discussion in itself) did not consider equality with god a thing to be grasped. But this action Jesus takes, takes place before he became a man, he made a decision to empty himself before he came into the world.

we can expand more on these, just let me know. BTW here are some scriptures that at least to me prove they are separate persons.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
Revelation 3:12
Revelation 1:1

And I forgot this important one.
Colossians 1:15,16 he (jesus) is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation, because by means of him (Jesus the son is being talked about) all things were created etc...

I believe if the Greek actually says that it is in error. There is not a shred of evidence that there is anything in the beginning except God. Since the Word is in the beginning then it is God as the text should say. Th Word is an attribute of God and it should not be personified. God is not the Word because God is also Power and Glory.which are also attributes of God and should not be personified.

I believe this is not evidence of personification but of the fact that God has other attributes as well.

I believe this is illogical. A rock can be with a ball and neither are persons.

I believe since you premises are false your conclusion is also.

I believe repeating falsehoods can't make them true.

The Glory of God is an attribute of God so it is Logical that Jesus has that Glory and always had that Glory but in a body it must be attributed anew.

I believe this only serves to prove that Jesus is God.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Such important concepts in religion must not cause that much confusion if they were true.

The nature of who God is should be clear and easy for everyone to understand.

I believe if it is difficult for you to understand then you should listen to someone who does like me. Somethings are complex because God is highly intelligent. I gave up trying to understand the human genome.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Yes although I don't believe in the trinity I believe in being consistent.
I believe certain aspects of gods nature simply cannot be understood.

I believe the Trinity is a quite easy to understand concept for someone who understands things about the spirit and God but difficult for a materialist.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
i believe Jesus had some divine quality, connection with the All High. thats as much as i know and believe and as much as i would proclaim as truth.
i dont agree with how the trinity is taught. i think it limits your understanding on what Jesus did and taught. with that being said i dont proclaim the trinity a false teaching, i just dont accept how it is taught. hope that makes sense
Jesus did not believe in Trinity.
Regards
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Hi
I have never really understood the Trinity, and I was just wondering if anyone here did, and if so if they could explain why some people think that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one but not the same, and if you could explain so without saying it's a mystery of God's nature etc. - I already know it's a bit of a mystery and I am trying to understand it a bit more. Thanks
Jesus was the Temple made without hands with the Father indwelling the Holy of Holies:

John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

In fact it's only occurred to me just now that according to scripture Jesus was the Holy of Holies:

Hebrews 10:19-20 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

All the temples made with hands God abandoned, but I do think these temples served as examples to us of the real temple made without hands. Recall that the veil in the temple made with hands was torn at the moment that Jesus died on the cross and commended His Spirit to the Father.

Again it has only occurred to me just now that His Spirit may have been entering the Holy of Holies at that moment and not exiting it as I had always imagined it:

Scripture says of Jesus:

Colossians 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

It's worth reading King Solomon's prayer (1 Kings 8:27-53) regarding the temple he had built for God and consider that if his prayer was true and accepted (1 Kings 9:2-3) for one of the temple's made with hands, how much more would it be true of the temple made without hands?

The important things to note in his prayer are:

1 Kings 8:29-30 That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place. 30 And hearken thou to the supplication of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, when they shall pray toward this place: and hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place: and when thou hearest, forgive.

Now consider these things that Jesus said about Himself:

Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

John 16:26-27 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

And if it isn't abundantly clear what Jesus meant by "ask any thing in my name" the story of Saul/Paul's conversion makes it clear:

Acts 9:15-17 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. 17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

An inspection of this chapter shows that the Lord that was speaking to Ananias was the Lord Jesus. This was the name given to the temple made without hands, and just like God promised to hear the prayers of those directed toward Solomon's temple, under the New Covenant He promises to hear and fulfill the prayers directed toward Jesus.

So just like Jesus said to His early disciples, I encourage those who have a little faith now to do the same:

John 14:12-14 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that WILL I DO, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT!
 

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
i believe Jesus had some divine quality, connection with the All High. thats as much as i know and believe and as much as i would proclaim as truth.
i dont agree with how the trinity is taught. i think it limits your understanding on what Jesus did and taught. with that being said i dont proclaim the trinity a false teaching, i just dont accept how it is taught. hope that makes sense

That is almost, almost the Islamic belief. Jesus PBUH was a messenger, so like all messengers, had a degree of connection with God (through worship and so on). We do however, out right reject the trinity doctrine as it is nonsensical and completely against the teachings of Jess himself. You are not too convinced by it either it seems so you are on the journey towards the truth.
 

jaybird

Member
That is almost, almost the Islamic belief. Jesus PBUH was a messenger, so like all messengers, had a degree of connection with God (through worship and so on). We do however, out right reject the trinity doctrine as it is nonsensical and completely against the teachings of Jess himself. You are not too convinced by it either it seems so you are on the journey towards the truth.
it may not be the same as how i believe but if you are knocking and seeking our Lord i would never tell you to change a thing. i am doing the same and i believe we are both on the correct path.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Jesus was the Temple made without hands with the Father indwelling the Holy of Holies:
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
In fact it's only occurred to me just now that according to scripture Jesus was the Holy of Holies:
Hebrews 10:19-20 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
All the temples made with hands God abandoned, but I do think these temples served as examples to us of the real temple made without hands. Recall that the veil in the temple made with hands was torn at the moment that Jesus died on the cross and commended His Spirit to the Father.
Again it has only occurred to me just now that His Spirit may have been entering the Holy of Holies at that moment and not exiting it as I had always imagined it:
Scripture says of Jesus:
Colossians 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
It's worth reading King Solomon's prayer (1 Kings 8:27-53) regarding the temple he had built for God and consider that if his prayer was true and accepted (1 Kings 9:2-3) for one of the temple's made with hands, how much more would it be true of the temple made without hands?
The important things to note in his prayer are:
1 Kings 8:29-30 That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place. 30 And hearken thou to the supplication of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, when they shall pray toward this place: and hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place: and when thou hearest, forgive.
Now consider these things that Jesus said about Himself:
Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
John 16:26-27 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

And if it isn't abundantly clear what Jesus meant by "ask any thing in my name" the story of Saul/Paul's conversion makes it clear:

Acts 9:15-17 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. 17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

An inspection of this chapter shows that the Lord that was speaking to Ananias was the Lord Jesus. This was the name given to the temple made without hands, and just like God promised to hear the prayers of those directed toward Solomon's temple, under the New Covenant He promises to hear and fulfill the prayers directed toward Jesus.

So just like Jesus said to His early disciples, I encourage those who have a little faith now to do the same:

John 14:12-14 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that WILL I DO, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT!

Kindly quote from Gospel of Jesus. Right?
Please
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
JesusBeliever said:
Jesus was the Temple made without hands with the Father indwelling the Holy of Holies:
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
In fact it's only occurred to me just now that according to scripture Jesus was the Holy of Holies:
Hebrews 10:19-20 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Kindly quote from Gospel of Jesus. Right?
Please
Regards
Please quote from Gospel of Jesus in favor of Trinity.
Any from other person from Christianity people. Please
Anybody else, please.
Regards
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
JesusBeliever said:
Jesus was the Temple made without hands with the Father indwelling the Holy of Holies:
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
In fact it's only occurred to me just now that according to scripture Jesus was the Holy of Holies:
Hebrews 10:19-20 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Please quote from Gospel of Jesus in favor of Trinity.
Any from other person from Christianity people. Please
Anybody else, please.
Regards
Hi there paarsurrey,

I am more and more coming to the belief that the best reply to any post is the Bible itself, so here is my brief reply. Please make sure that your faith in the Trinity doctrine isn't taking away from your faith in these verses:

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Only you will truly know in your heart and mind if the Trinity is taking away from your faith in these verses or not. Increasing it or decreasing it. If it increases for you that is great. But it is not the case for all. Faith in JESUS CHRIST is all anyone needs. Not the trinity! JESUS CHRIST!

If you would like to read a more in-depth reply please see below. I'm just not sure anymore if such a lengthy reply is either necessary or helpful, so I've provided both a short and long reply for those who have the energy to read it.

With Love:
Your post gave me the impression that their was a Gospel Of Jesus Christ floating around in addition to the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. So I googled it with the intention of reading it but found mostly Mormon websites appear talking about the Gospel of Jesus and their INTERPRETATION of what it means. I highlight interpretation because I have studied with the Mormons and even visited one of their "temples" and I know that their doctrine is an interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus. And that's putting it as gently and kindly as I can.

I am not sure if you are a Mormon but if you are I encourage you to please, please investigate their founding and doctrines in light of the Holy Bible. The 2 Mormon boys that I studied with admitted that they found the Bible very hard to read and preferred the Book Of Mormon over the Bible. While studying with them I tried to read the Book Of Mormon but only got half way before I had to stop. Because I had already read enough of the Bible to know that the Book Of Mormon was contradicting the Bible all over the place.

I truly mean this in all sincerity and love for you and all those people who might take the time to read my post, that I have observed a common practise amongst many denominations both in and outside of Christianity and that is the subtle leading away of the everyday people from the Bible. Let me use the Trinity doctrine for example. We all know that the word TRINITY is not in the Bible, but proponents will say it's definitely in there, you just have to look for it. And in those very words (or words similar) lie the subtle leading away from the Bible. And even more importantly, away from Jesus Christ Himself! The INTERPRETATION like a veil has been placed over the eyes of the seeker, to only look for the verses that seem to support the TRINITY doctrine while blinding them to the verses that don't. I can say this because it happened to me. And it took many years before I started to notice the verses that contradicted the TRINITY. The ones I shared in my post are just a few examples.

It has only been since reading this thread that I have realised how vitally important it is for all of us to get to the bottom of this TRINITY DOCTRINE debate because of it's detrimental affect on our faith and trust IN JESUS whom in HIS OWN WORDS said:

I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME. John 14:6

Please stop and ponder this verse and ask yourself:

Do I truly and completely believe Jesus' own words about Himself?
Or is my heart doubtful like Philip's was when he said,

Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:8

What did Jesus say or do to quench Philips doubts? Did He show Him the Father? Yes He did when He said:

Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9

In other words, "I AM THE FATHER!"

And if anyone thinks that this is a perversion of His words, let me remind you that at the end of this very conversation Jesus said:

These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. John 16:25

The Father is not separate to Jesus!
Jesus is the Father!
The Way!
The Truth!
The Life!
One Spirit!
One Man!

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believe (HAVE FAITH) in Jesus. Romans 3:26

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Colossians 2:10
 
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jaybird

Member
Hi there paarsurrey,
Your post gave me the impression that their was a Gospel Of Jesus Christ floating around in addition to the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. So I googled it with the intention of reading it but found mostly Mormon websites appear talking about the Gospel of Jesus and their INTERPRETATION of what it means. I highlight interpretation because I have studied with the Mormons and even visited one of their "temples" and I know that their doctrine is an interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus. And that's putting it as gently and kindly as I can.

I am not sure if you are a Mormon but if you are I encourage you to please, please investigate their founding and doctrines in light of the Holy Bible. The 2 Mormon boys that I studied with admitted that they found the Bible very hard to read and preferred the Book Of Mormon over the Bible. While studying with them I tried to read the Book Of Mormon but only got half way before I had to stop. Because I had already read enough of the Bible to know that the Book Of Mormon was contradicting the Bible all over the place.

I truly mean this in all sincerity and love for you and all those people who might take the time to read my post, that I have observed a common practise amongst many denominations both in and outside of Christianity and that is the subtle leading away of the everyday people from the Bible. Let me use the Trinity doctrine for example. We all know that the word TRINITY is not in the Bible, but proponents will say it's definitely in there, you just have to look for it. And in those very words (or words similar) lie the subtle leading away from the Bible. And even more importantly, away from Jesus Christ Himself! The INTERPRETATION like a veil has been placed over the eyes of the seeker, to only look for the verses that seem to support the TRINITY doctrine while blinding them to the verses that don't. I can say this because it happened to me. And it took many years before I started to notice the verses that contradicted the TRINITY. The ones I shared in my post are just a few examples.

It has only been since reading this thread that I have realised how vitally important it is for all of us to get to the bottom of this TRINITY DOCTRINE debate because of it's detrimental affect on our faith and trust IN JESUS whom in HIS OWN WORDS said:

I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME. John 14:6

Please stop and ponder this verse and ask yourself:

Do I truly and completely believe Jesus' own words about Himself?
Or is my heart doubtful like Philip's was when he said,

Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:8

What did Jesus say or do to quench Philips doubts? Did He show Him the Father? Yes He did when He said:

Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9

In other words, "I AM THE FATHER!"

And if anyone thinks that this is a perversion of His words, let me remind you that at the end of this very conversation Jesus said:

These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. John 16:25

The Father is not separate to Jesus!
Jesus is the Father!
The Way!
The Truth!
The Life!
One Spirit!
One Man!

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believe (HAVE FAITH) in Jesus. Romans 3:26

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Colossians 2:10

are you not doing exactly what the mormons do when you add your "in other words" interpertations?

if Jesus was the Father then how is He the gate, how does one go through Jesus to the Father if He is the Father. there would be no reason to go through Him, you could just stop at Him.
why would Jesus teach we can ask the Father in the name of the Son. why not just ask Jesus if they are one and the same.
and why would Jesus need to pray, He prayed so hard with such passion the one time His sweat was like blood.
Jesus was more than a man but i think its more complex to say both Father and Son are one and the same, there is more to it than that.
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
are you not doing exactly what the mormons do when you add your "in other words" interpertations?
Hi there, I accept your point and do sincerely apologise. Which is why I have since edited my post giving a short and long reply (being my original post). The short answer I gave better highlights the problem I see with the trinity. I will repost my short reply here for your convenience:

Hi there paarsurrey,

I am more and more coming to the belief that the best reply to any post is the Bible itself, so here is my brief reply. Please make sure that your faith in the Trinity doctrine isn't taking away from your faith in these verses:

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Only you will truly know in your heart and mind if the Trinity is taking away from your faith in these verses or not. Increasing it or decreasing it. If it increases for you that is great. But it is not the case for all. Faith in JESUS CHRIST is all anyone needs. Not the trinity! JESUS CHRIST!

If you would like to read a more in-depth reply please see below. I'm just not sure anymore if such a lengthy reply is either necessary or helpful, so I've provided both a short and long reply for those who have the energy to read it.

With Love:
 

Yoshua

Well-Known Member
Your post gave me the impression that their was a Gospel Of Jesus Christ floating around in addition to the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. So I googled it with the intention of reading it but found mostly Mormon websites appear talking about the Gospel of Jesus and their INTERPRETATION of what it means. I highlight interpretation because I have studied with the Mormons and even visited one of their "temples" and I know that their doctrine is an interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus. And that's putting it as gently and kindly as I can.

I am not sure if you are a Mormon but if you are I encourage you to please, please investigate their founding and doctrines in light of the Holy Bible. The 2 Mormon boys that I studied with admitted that they found the Bible very hard to read and preferred the Book Of Mormon over the Bible. While studying with them I tried to read the Book Of Mormon but only got half way before I had to stop. Because I had already read enough of the Bible to know that the Book Of Mormon was contradicting the Bible all over the place.

I truly mean this in all sincerity and love for you and all those people who might take the time to read my post, that I have observed a common practise amongst many denominations both in and outside of Christianity and that is the subtle leading away of the everyday people from the Bible. Let me use the Trinity doctrine for example. We all know that the word TRINITY is not in the Bible, but proponents will say it's definitely in there, you just have to look for it. And in those very words (or words similar) lie the subtle leading away from the Bible. And even more importantly, away from Jesus Christ Himself! The INTERPRETATION like a veil has been placed over the eyes of the seeker, to only look for the verses that seem to support the TRINITY doctrine while blinding them to the verses that don't. I can say this because it happened to me. And it took many years before I started to notice the verses that contradicted the TRINITY. The ones I shared in my post are just a few examples.

It has only been since reading this thread that I have realised how vitally important it is for all of us to get to the bottom of this TRINITY DOCTRINE debate because of it's detrimental affect on our faith and trust IN JESUS whom in HIS OWN WORDS said:

I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME. John 14:6
by Jesus believer

Hi JesusBeliever,

The Bible is the Word of God, and knowing the words and works of Jesus Christ. I don't think that if the Bible is hard to read, you shift to the other book and does not read it anymore. If a person had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, I believed that the Holy Spirit will guide him to understand the Bible.

The word "Bible" is also not in the Bible as well as the word "Trinity." It is simply one God exists in three persons; it is the existence as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is the simplest explanation of the trinitarian doctrine.

Thanks



 
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